Liberals' Descent into Moral Nihilism

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Liberals' Descent into Moral Nihilism

Since some posters, here, may have this affliction, I thought I'd post this analysis of the problem, and proposal of answers, by the person who has a good shot at becoming the next Prime Minister of Canada, as leader of the newly constituted Conservative Party (formed from a right wing Alliance Party and the old "Progressive Conservative" party)

I think the points would apply to the US situation, and the Republican 'coalition,' including both business-oriented persons, and 'social conservatives,' principally evangelical Christians and some Catholics.

Rediscovering The Right Agenda
June 2003

http://www.ccicinc.org/politicalaffairs/060103.html

By Stephen Harper - Report Magazine
The Canadian Alliance leader outlines how social and economic conservatism must unite


This article is based on […] remarks at the Civitas meeting in Toronto on April 25, 2003


THE CONSERVATIVE COALITION

Whatever attraction a coalition of parties may have, we need to concentrate on what is actually doable. That is, we need to form a coalition of voters and, to attract them, a coalition of ideas.

What is the "conservative coalition" of ideas? Actually, conservatism and conservative parties, as we've known them over the decades, have always been coalitions. Though these coalitions are complex and continually shifting, two distinctive elements have long been identifiable.

Ted Byfield labelled these factions "neo-con" and "theo-con." More commonly, they are known simply as economic conservatives and social conservatives. Properly speaking, they are called classical or enlightenment liberalism and classical or Burkean conservatism.

The one called "economic conservatism" does indeed come from classical liberalism. Its primary value is individual freedom, and to that end it stresses private enterprise, free trade, religious toleration, limited government and the rule of law.

The other philosophy is Burkean conservatism. Its primary value is social order. It stresses respect for customs and traditions (religious traditions above all), voluntary association, and personal self-restraint reinforced by moral and legal sanctions on behaviour.

The essence of this conservatism is, according to Russell Kirk, "the preservation of the ancient moral traditions of humanity. Conservatives respect the wisdom of their ancestors: they are dubious of wholesale alteration. They think society is a spiritual reality, possessing an eternal life but a delicate constitution: it cannot be scrapped and recast as if it were a machine."

In the 19th century, these two political philosophies, classical liberalism and Burkean conservatism, formed the basis for distinct political parties that opposed one another. On the one side was a liberal party in the classical sense - rationalist, anticlerical but not anti-religious, free-trading, often republican and usually internationalist. On the other side was an older conservative party - traditionalist, explicitly or implicitly denominational, economically protectionist, usually monarchist, and nationalistic.

In the 20th century, these opposing forces came together as a result of two different forces: resistance to a common enemy, and commitment to ideas widely shared.

The common enemy was the rise of radical socialism in its various forms. In this context, Burkean conservatives and classical liberals discovered a commitment to a core of common ideas. Both groups favoured private property, small government and reliance on civil society rather than the state to resolve social dilemmas and to create social process. Domestically, both groups resisted those who stood for public ownership, government interventionism, egalitarian redistribution and state sponsorship of secular humanist values. Internationally, they stood unequivocally against external enemies - fascism, communism and socialist totalitarianism in all its forms.

THE VICTORY AND DECLINE OF CONSERVATISM

For decades, conservative parties were successful, often dominant, coalitions in western democracies. But conservatism has been in trouble in recent years. Partisan success has been much less common. In some countries, the traditional conservative coalition even appears to have broken down.

The irony is that these hard times have fallen on the heels of perhaps the most successful period in democratic conservatism's history - the Reagan and Thatcher revolutions. I believe that it is this very success that is at the heart of the current difficulties.

The Reagan-Thatcher revolution was so successful that it permanently undermined the traditional social-democratic/left-liberal consensus in a number of democratic countries. It worked domestically to undermine the left-liberal or social-democratic consensus, causing those parties to simply stop fighting and adopt much of the winning conservative agenda. […]

The truth is that strong economic and social conservatives are more often than not the same people, and not without reason. Except at the extremes of libertarianism and theocracy, the philosophical fusion has become deep and wide-spread. Social conservatives more often than not demand the government stop intervening in individual decisions, just as classical liberals often point to the religious roots of their focus on the individual. As the American humourist P.J. O'Rourke observed, "the great religions teach salvation as an individual matter. There are no group discounts in the ten commandments, Christ was not a committee, and Allah does not welcome believers into paradise saying, 'you weren't much good yourself, but you were standing near some good people.'"

O'Rourke also summarized the moral and civilizing importance of markets by reminding us that "the rise of private enterprise and trade provided a means of achieving wealth and autonomy other than by killing people with broadswords." Private enterprise and trade, as Adam Smith pointed out, can turn individual selfishness into useful social outcomes. In fact, the founder of classical liberal economics came to his theories as much by his study of moral philosophy as anything else.

A NEW CHALLENGE AND A NEW RESPONSE

What this means for conservatives today is that we must rediscover the common cause and orient our coalition to the nature of the post-Cold-War world.

The real enemy is no longer socialism. Socialism as a true economic program and motivating faith is dead. Yes, there are still lots of statist economic policies and people dependent on big government. But the modern left-liberal economic philosophy has become corporatism. Corporatism is the use of private ownership and markets for state-directed objectives. Its tools are subsidization, public/private partnerships and state investment funds. It is often bad policy, but it is less clearly different from conventional conservative economics than any genuine socialism.

The real challenge is therefore not economic, but the social agenda of the modern Left. Its system of moral relativism, moral neutrality and moral equivalency is beginning to dominate its intellectual debate and public-policy objectives.

The clearest recent evidence of this phenomenon is seen in international affairs in the emerging post-Cold-War world - most obviously in the response of modern liberals to the war on terrorism. There is no doubt about the technical capacity of our society to fight this war. What is evident is the lack of desire of the modern liberals to fight, and even more, the striking hope on the Left that we actually lose.

You can see this if you pay close attention to the response to the war in Iraq from our own federal Liberals and their cheerleaders in the media and the universities. They argue one day that there are no weapons of mass destruction, yet warn that such weapons might be used. They tell us the war was immoral, then moral but impractical, then practical but unjustified. They argue simultaneously that the war can't be won, that it is too easy for the coalition to win and that victory cannot be sustained anyway. Most striking was their obvious glumness at the fall of Baghdad. But even previous to that were the dark suggestions on the anniversary of September 11 (hinted at even by our own prime minister) that "we deserved it."

This is particularly striking given the nature of the enemy here, the bin Ladens and the Husseins, individuals who embody in the extreme everything the Left purports to oppose - fundamentalism, fascistic nationalism, misogyny, bigotry.

Conservatives need to reassess our understanding of the modern Left. It has moved beyond old socialistic morality or even moral relativism to something much darker. It has become a moral nihilism - the rejection of any tradition or convention of morality, a post-Marxism with deep resentments, even hatreds of the norms of free and democratic western civilization.

This descent into nihilism should not be surprising because moral relativism simply cannot be sustained as a guiding philosophy. It leads to silliness such as moral neutrality on the use of marijuana or harder drugs mixed with its random moral crusades on tobacco. It explains the lack of moral censure on personal foibles of all kinds, extenuating even criminal behaviour with moral outrage at bourgeois society, which is then tangentially blamed for deviant behaviour. On the moral standing of the person, it leads to views ranging from radical responsibility-free individualism, to tribalism in the form of group rights.

Conservatives have focused on the inconsistency in all of this. Yet it is actually disturbingly consistent. It is a rebellion against all forms of social norm and moral tradition in every aspect of life. The logical end of this thinking is the actual banning of conservative views, which some legislators and "rights" commissions openly contemplate.


In this environment, serious conservative parties simply cannot shy away from values questions. On a wide range of public-policy questions, including foreign affairs and defence, criminal justice and corrections, family and child care, and healthcare and social services, social values are increasingly the really big issues.
[…]

The truth of the matter is that the real agenda and the defining issues have shifted from economic issues to social values, so conservatives must do the same.

REVISING THE AGENDA

This is not as difficult as it sounds. It does not require a radical redefinition of conservatism, but rather a shifting of the balance between the economic and social conservative sides that have always been there.

In particular, Canadian conservatives need to rediscover the virtues of Burkean conservatism as a key component of that balance. Rediscovering this agenda, to paraphrase Ted Byfield, means not just worrying about what the state costs, but also worrying about what the state values.

For example, we need to rediscover Burkean or social conservatism because a growing body of evidence points to the damage the welfare state is having on our most important institutions, particularly the family. Conservatives have to give much higher place to confronting threats posed by modern liberals to this building block of our society.

Take, for example, the debate over the rights of parents to discipline their children - the so-called spanking debate. Of course, there are legitimate limits to the use of force by parents - limits outlined in the Criminal Code. Yet the most recent Liberal Throne Speech, as part of its "children's agenda," hinted at more government interference in the family. We saw the capacity for this abuse of power in the events that took place in Aylmer, Ont. Children there were seized for no reason other than the state disagreed with the religious views of their parents. No conservative can support this kind of intrusion, and conservatives have an obligation to speak forcefully against such acts.

This same argument applies equally to a range of issues involving the family (all omitted from the Throne Speech), such as banning child pornography, raising the age of sexual consent, providing choice in education and strengthening the institution of marriage. All of these items are key to a conservative agenda.

We also need to rediscover Burkean conservatism because the emerging debates on foreign affairs should be fought on moral grounds. Current challenges in dealing with terrorism and its sponsors, as well as the emerging debate on the goals of the U.S. as the sole superpower, will be well served by conservative insights on preserving historic values and moral insights on right and wrong. As we have seen in recent months, these are debates where modern liberals (with the exception of Tony Blair) have no answers: they are trapped in their framework of moral neutrality, moral relativism and moral equivalence.

But conservatives should have answers. We understand, however imperfectly, the concept of morality, the notion that moral rules form a chain of right and duty, and that politics is a moral affair. We understand that the great geopolitical battles against modern tyrants and threats are battles over values. We can disagree vehemently with the values of our civilization's opponents, but that does not deny the validity of the cause in their eyes. Without clear values ourselves, our side has no purpose, no meaning, no chance of success.

Conservatives must take the moral stand, with our allies, in favour of the fundamental values of our society, including democracy, free enterprise and individual freedom. This moral stand should not just give us the right to stand with our allies, but the duty to do so and the responsibility to put "hard power" behind our international commitments.

CONCLUSION

[…]
The rediscovery of the conservative agenda requires us to maintain the coalition of ideas that is the heritage of enlightenment liberalism and Burkean conservatism. Yet contemporary reality requires us to re-emphasize the Burkean tradition as a key part of our conservative agenda. In other words, while retaining a focus on economic issues, we must give greater place to social values and social conservatism, broadly defined and properly understood.

[…]
 
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This guy's been sipping too deeply at the old gasbag.

This is the usual conservative codswallup of defining liberals as being inherently evil and then castigating them for it. Conservatives have come to believe that their own anti-liberal propaganda is the truth. According to this guy, if you're liberal you're rooting for Bin Ladin and terrorism. It's just right-wing bullshit of the worst sort.

---dr.M.
 
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Moral relativism? Nah, he's setting himself short. Why not moral satanism?

That is why liberals always seem to be going against God's Great Plan as ordained unto the 700 Club and that Jesus-guy who satanistic liberals would like you to believe was a Jew from the Middle East rather than the blue-eyed brown-haired American Aryan we know him to be. Anti-morality to the core, I tell you.

Oh, did I mention that they kill babies and use their blood in rituals. And I should know. Thank God conservatives exist to combat this great threat. With their moral clarity and purity as is ordained by the great prophets Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh, we may counter an economic government system that we created and support fully and topple it. Damn pot smoking hippies.

...Personally if moral certainty means supporting with blind unquestioning faith the evils of conservatism (economic or social), call me very glad to be a moral nihilist.
 
Mmm... forbidden babies [copied from Homer's line "Mmm... forbidden donut" in one Simpson's Halloween special]
 
From my favourite book and it's entry on Burke, Edmund:
Most of those who today claim to be his spiritual descendants are precisely the sort of people he spent his whole life fighting. If he could somehow be bought back to life to meet with his current disciples, the probability is that he would refuse to sit down in the same room with them.
Burke's arguments - his definition of ethics and values - remain central to the events that have shaped our struggles over communism, capitalism, justice, nationalism, colonialism, and religious freedom. If, as many believe, that the standard arguments used in our society have come to an impasse, then the explanation probably lies not in recent events but in an intellectual wrong turn taken some time ago. The campaign to misrepresent an non-ideological thinker like Burke is among the best evidence we have of that wrong turn.

The Doubter's Companion - John Ralston Saul
In other news, one of Mr. Harper's handlers slapped a reporter for taking unflattering pictures of The Leader.
 
Oh lordy, this was a scream. Thanks Pure :)

:rose:


Having a faulty grasp of modern poly-sci and a lack of historic knowledge on Canada's parties, could someone please let me know exactly what party or affiliation this fellow has?

-Colly
 
i added to the initial posting.

Harper is leader of the newly constituted Conservative Party-- formed from a right wing Alliance Party[Christian] and the old "Progressive Conservative" party.

Iow, the new union has the economic conservatives and the social [Christian] conservatives. The left 'pink Tory' wing of the old PC party are not happy, and will probably join the Liberals.

Issues of abortion and capital punishment (and nationalized health care) are dividing these new Conservatives from the Liberals.

Incidentally, at the time of Bush's Iraq intervention Harper supported sending troups in, like Blair. The nihilistic liberals desclined to directly support with troops, but eased the US load in Afghanistan, to free up US troops.
 
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you're already *way* down there honey, only 'up' is possible.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
This guy's been sipping too deeply at the old gasbag.

This is the usual conservative codswallup of defining liberals as being inherently evil and then castigating them for it. Conservatives have come to believe that their own anti-liberal propaganda is the truth. According to this guy, if you're liberal you're rooting for Nib Ladin and terrorism. It's just right-wing bullshit of the worst sort.

---dr.M.

We're not supposed to root for terrorism? How can we become moral nihilists if we don't?

:(

Canada: watch out for those "religious traditions."
 
I'm so liberal I even call myself one, and that's a rarity. I think I can sum up my moral code this way:

1) Treat the powerless with respect, and the powerful with skepticism. If you don't, you'll regret it.

2) What consenting adults do is no one's business but their own, as long as they don't harm anyone else in the process.

3) Leave the planet no worse off than you found it.

That's pretty much it.
 
minsue said:
Somehow I get the feeling that if I bother to read that whole post I'll just get irritated. It's the weekend, baby, so I'll just take my nihilistic ass outa here and go party.


Min, that's my favorite AV of yours. You monkey-bird.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I have only one other thing to say about this article.

WWW.Landoverbaptist.org.

Swear to god he only needed to put True Christians (TM) in there and it could have come right off their home page.

-Colly

I loves me some Landoverbaptist.org.

I haven't visited that site in a while. Thank you for reminding me.

SR®
 
If you go to the landoverbaptist.org site, check out the "Beliefs" link. Page header: What we (and God) believe
 
Hmmmmmm,

Am I a Liberal Conservative or a Conservative Liberal?

From the way this guy talks I somehow gather his wife ran off with his girlfriend.

"Burkean Conservatism. It's primary value is social order. It stresses respect for customs and traditions (Religious traditions above all), voluntary accosiation, and personal self restraint reinforced by moral and legal sanctions on behavior."

Hmmmmm, lets see here. Respect for customs and traditions, even religious traditions is fine as far as it goes, but shouldn't it be tempered with mercy? Personal self restraint reinforced by moral and legal sanctions on behavior? All right, why not. It wasn't too long ago where it was considered adultry for a woman to have sex outside of her marriage, (no matter the reason,) yet it was just fine for the man to go out and do it. Wasn't there a case not too long ago about a Muslim woman who was accused of adultry because she didn't fight her rapist, and she was sentanced to death by stoning? Sounds about right to me. Oh and let's not forget that homosexuality is a moral crime and used to be punished by death or castration. Yep lets go back to these grand times shall we?


The essence of this conservatism is, according to Russel Kirk, "The preservation of the ancient moral traditions of humanity. Conservatives respect the wisdom of their ancestors: They are dubious of wholesale alteration. They think society is a spiritual reality, possesing an eternal life but a delicate constitution: it can not be scrapped and recast as a machine."


Yep I too respect the wisdom of my ancestors. Always shake out your shoes before putting them on. Don't piss into the wind, Don't shit in your own bed. But I kind of draw the line at their wisdom when it comes to things like a menstrating woman is unclean and has to live in purdah during her period, oh and lets not forget the old beliefe that if you don't believe as I do, then you are owned by the devil and shall be put to death. Has this guy never heard of the concept of growing, learning and changing?

Yep I too think I'll stay a liberal and continue living as I am while following one basic rule. Don't go out of your way to hurt other people. (You can hurt yourself all you want, just don't try to blame me.)

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Am I a Liberal Conservative or a Conservative Liberal?

I'm afraid you're a Commie, Sea.

Don't ask why...it's just...one of those absolute truths...that are self-explanatory to the educated.

:D
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Oh lordy, this was a scream. Thanks Pure :)

:rose:


Having a faulty grasp of modern poly-sci and a lack of historic knowledge on Canada's parties, could someone please let me know exactly what party or affiliation this fellow has?

-Colly

A quick rundown of Canadian national political parties.

The Liberals, also known as the Natural Governing Party. They have governed for about 110 of the 130 odd years Canada has been around. Their only principle is power, and they are good at getting and keeping it. They freely steal ideas from other parties, make them their own and use them to win elections.

In fairness, they do pay close attention to what the public wants, so over all, they've ruled well.

The Conservatives. Mr. Harper's party, the 'right wing'. Until recently there were two 'right wing' parties, the Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives.

The Alliance split from the PCs about 15 years ago. It was based mostly in the West of Canada. It policies were based pretty much on the idea that things went to hell at the beginning of the 20th Century and Canada should return to those days.

The PCs at least tried to keep up with the times.

Recently they rejoined, but the Alliance holds all the power within the party, so for all intents and purposes, any lingering modern conservatism is gone.

The New Democratic Party. The 'left wing' party. Their policy is based on the social democratic model. They are sometimes a little naive, but any good ideas they come up with (Unemployment Insurance, National Health Care) are promptly stolen by the Liberals. I'm not sure they would govern well, but their zeal makes them a good Opposition.

There are a few minor parties that will get votes, The Greens, the Marijauna Party and a couple of others.

I usually vote NDP, as they are closest to my own beliefs.

I also got a laugh at Mr. Harper defining corporatism as 'left wing'. The two most recent outbreaks of corporatism here in the West were both quite distinctly 'right wing'.

I refer to The Axis of the Second World War, and our own times.
 
shereads said:
I'm afraid you're a Commie, Sea.

Don't ask why...it's just...one of those absolute truths...that are self-explanatory to the educated.

:D

Oh in that case can I order my wife around and tell her to worship me? Oh sorry that was the Southern Baptists.
Hmmmm, maybe I should run for office, I could confuse them all with my political titles while scandalizing them with my views.:devil: Nah, that would take too much money.
Could we start a new party? We could call it the Literotician Party. Now what would our platform be?

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Could we start a new party? We could call it the Literotician Party. Now what would our platform be?

There's an idea worth pursuing..We'll need a mascot. Donkey and elephant are taken.

Ideas?

:D
 
Hi Colly,

I was wondering where, if anywhere, you fit on the map Harper attempted to draw....

Is there any meaningful way to draw together the economic and the 'social' conservatives?

Lastly, would you agree that GWB and handlers(Rove, etc.) are trying for the sort of coalition Harper speaks of?

Just curious, and don't let these questions affect your mood. ;)

:rose:
J.
 
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