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Comshaw said:
I don't think it had much to do with Vietnam specifically. It was war in general. The other thing is the Stones were from England and a lot closer to the Middle East. So while the Vietnam conflict so completely engulfed the thoughts of our nation (because we were hip-deep in it) the conflicts going on in the middle East were on British minds because it was so close to them. Add that to the fact that their parents had survived the bombings and V rocket attacks of WWII which I'm sure was passed on to their children in fits and starts and the passing down of history. I didn't have time to think about it much back then (mainly because I was hip-deep in it and was thinking of only one thing...okay maybe two with sex being the first.), but in retrospect, I believe that a lot of people felt the whole god damn world was at war, again.

Comshaw
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Jagger acknowledges Vietnam as a major influence on the album in this interview:

https://web.archive.org/web/2007061.../news/coverstory/mick_jagger_remembers/page/3

"Well, it's a very rough, very violent era. The Vietnam War. Violence on the screens, pillage and burning. And Vietnam was not war as we knew it in the conventional sense. The thing about Vietnam was that it wasn't like World War II, and it wasn't like Korea, and it wasn't like the Gulf War. It was a real nasty war, and people didn't like it. People objected, and people didn't want to fight it. The people that were there weren't doing well. There were these things used that were always used before, but no one knew about them -- like napalm.
... Even though I was living in America only part time, I was influenced. All those images were on television. Plus, the spill out onto campuses."
 
Bramblethorn said:
Jagger acknowledges Vietnam as a major influence on the album in this interview:

https://web.archive.org/web/2007061.../news/coverstory/mick_jagger_remembers/page/3

"Well, it's a very rough, very violent era. The Vietnam War. Violence on the screens, pillage and burning. And Vietnam was not war as we knew it in the conventional sense. The thing about Vietnam was that it wasn't like World War II, and it wasn't like Korea, and it wasn't like the Gulf War. It was a real nasty war, and people didn't like it. People objected, and people didn't want to fight it. The people that were there weren't doing well. There were these things used that were always used before, but no one knew about them -- like napalm.
... Even though I was living in America only part time, I was influenced. All those images were on television. Plus, the spill out onto campuses."
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I guess he was influenced by the Vietnam War more than I thought. I stand corrected on that point. The interesting thing is that he sees WWII, the Korean War and the Gulf War as something separate and different then the Vietnam conflict; when in reality, being in the middle of any of those is the same and feels the same. Different tactics, different weapons but the same outcome, killing and death. That's what war is no matter if it's done with a sword, a rifle, a 500 lb. bomb or a cruise missile. And the innocents are the ones that suffer the most.

Comshaw
 
Comshaw said:
I guess he was influenced by the Vietnam War more than I thought. I stand corrected on that point. The interesting thing is that he sees WWII, the Korean War and the Gulf War as something separate and different then the Vietnam conflict; when in reality, being in the middle of any of those is the same and feels the same. Different tactics, different weapons but the same outcome, killing and death. That's what war is no matter if it's done with a sword, a rifle, a 500 lb. bomb or a cruise missile. And the innocents are the ones that suffer the most.
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Agreed all the way. (And WWII brought atomic weapons, which is its own level of horror.) I think the difference is that Jagger's talking as somebody who wasn't up close. He was born in mid-1943 so he'd have been too young to remember WWII, and 10 when UK involvement in the Korean War ended. But by the time the USA got heavily involved in Vietnam he'd have been about the same age as a lot of the protesters and draftees, and many of them would've been Stones fans, so I can understand why Vietnam felt different to him.
 
Comshaw said:
I don't think it had much to do with Vietnam specifically. It was war in general. The other thing is the Stones were from England and a lot closer to the Middle East. So while the Vietnam conflict so completely engulfed the thoughts of our nation (because we were hip-deep in it) the conflicts going on in the middle East were on British minds because it was so close to them. Add that to the fact that their parents had survived the bombings and V rocket attacks of WWII which I'm sure was passed on to their children in fits and starts and the passing down of history. I didn't have time to think about it much back then (mainly because I was hip-deep in it and was thinking of only one thing...okay maybe two with sex being the first.), but in retrospect, I believe that a lot of people felt the whole god damn world was at war, again.

Comshaw
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It could be interpreted as war in general. World War II? Maybe, I'm just going by the release date of the album. Also, the British weren't involved directly in the Middle East since the Suez Crisis in 1956.

Americans had a different outlook on Word War II because it was fought almost entirely overseas. Also, it marked the end of the British Empire and arguably the dominance of the U.S. for some time afterwards.
 
Bramblethorn said:
Agreed all the way. (And WWII brought atomic weapons, which is its own level of horror.) I think the difference is that Jagger's talking as somebody who wasn't up close. He was born in mid-1943 so he'd have been too young to remember WWII, and 10 when UK involvement in the Korean War ended. But by the time the USA got heavily involved in Vietnam he'd have been about the same age as a lot of the protesters and draftees, and many of them would've been Stones fans, so I can understand why Vietnam felt different to him.
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I was born in 1949, and I was very conscious of WW2. My earliest memory is of a nightmare - German parachutists landing on nearby open ground. Another is of being in my pram being walked past the Citadel on Plymouth Hoe, and suddenly the anti-aircraft guns, which had not been removed, opening up in a live fire exercise and seeing the airbursts over Plymouth Sound. The centre of the city had been destroyed and bombed out buildings were very much in evidence. For many years I referred to building sites as 'bomb sites'. When we moved to London, and I started school we still had regular exercises in evacuating to the bomb shelters in case of nuclear attack. From 1950 t0 1966 the UK was continuously engaged in military operations, Korea, Malayasian Emergency then the Indonesian Confrontation. We were well aware of the constant threat of war, and its consequences.
 

I love to dance to this song. It gives me a bit of an attitude that doesn't come out all that often. I feel powerful. (blush)
 
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