Legal immigration

[renard_ruse]

According to some polls in recent years (Gallup for example), majorities no longer oppose ongoing mass legal immigration. However, other polls continue to show majority support, albeit less than in the past, for reductions (Pew poll last year).

In the 1990s, even according to Gallup, overwhelming majorities wanted legal immigration reduced or eliminated, at a rate of 2 to 1 or more. Supposedly, according to Gallup these numbers are now 2 to 1 the other way, with the public roughly divided in thirds, about 1/3 for higher levels (crazy as that sounds), 1/3 current levels, and 1/3 for reduction.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

 

[renard_ruse]

I do not buy these polls, or at the very least, serious questions have to be asked.

How could public opinion go from 65 or 70% for reduction less than 20 years ago to almost the opposite against reduction now? What changed so dramatically?

Are there any other issues where there has been this much of a swing in public opinion?

 

[renard_ruse]

What would be interesting would be to ask people if they can guess a rough range of how many legals we take annually now? I would guess well over 90% would have no clue. If they don't even know how many come every year, how can they even express an informed opinion? They are clearly just responding on emotion.

Also, I wonder how much the constant emphasis on illegal immigration has distracted people from the problem of mass legal immigration. 20 years ago was around the time, many politicians, particularly in the GOP started talking constantly about illegal while at the same time mentioning nothing about legals or emphasizing they are "all for" massive legal immigration.

I worried at the time, just talking about illegal would lull people into a false sense of the impact of massive legal immigration. At least 2/3 of all annual influx of newcomers is legal not illegal according to most sources. Legals are estimated to outnumber illegals by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin or more.

I understand laws are important, but in a de facto sense, does it really matter whether the newcomer is illegal or legal? They still increase population the same amount. People don't seem to ask themselves what the real difference is, besides a theoretical attachment to legalities.

 

[Aella_]

So you want to do what? Throw us all back into the Ocean?
We'll swim back and haunt you, no worries.

 

[renard_ruse]

Also, what I find most fascinating in the Gallup numbers, assuming for sake of argument they aren't complete BS, which I think they are, if we look at the breakdown by racial group, there is surprisingly little difference between white, black, and Hispanic views.

In fact, nearly a third of Hispanics want a reduction in legal immigration (29%) just slightly lower than the percentage of whites who do (36%). In other words, Hispanic support for illegals may very well be a case of being turned off by the sometimes negative statements toward Hispanics that are made by opponents of illegal immigration, as well as the perception that illegals are mostly Hispanic. Simply a natural reaction when someone feels their ethnic or racial group is being attacked or insulted, rather than an unwavering belief in open immigration.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The right questions aren't asked.

Generally speaking all of us desire prosperity, security, and general contentment. And when you ask DO YOU WANT VIOLENT WHACKJOBS COMING TO AMERICA? OR IS IT OKAY IF AN IMMIGRANT COMES OVER TO TAKE YOUR JOB? OR IS IT OKAY WITH YOU IF A BOSNIAN MUSLIM MOVES NEXT DOOR AND ROASTS A GOAT IN THE FRONT YARD? Youll get 100% FUCK NO! responses. The pols know this.

 

[Liar]

I dunno. Is he sharing? Roasted goat can be pretty delish if done right.

 

[about_average]

I dunno. Is he sharing? Roasted goat can be pretty delish if done right.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But it would be hard living next door if they weren't sharing.
But since sharing food is a big part of muslim culture I'd love it if I had a muslim neighbor roasted goats.

 

[Aella_]

The right questions aren't asked.

Generally speaking all of us desire prosperity, security, and general contentment. And when you ask DO YOU WANT VIOLENT WHACKJOBS COMING TO AMERICA? OR IS IT OKAY IF AN IMMIGRANT COMES OVER TO TAKE YOUR JOB? OR IS IT OKAY WITH YOU IF A BOSNIAN MUSLIM MOVES NEXT DOOR AND ROASTS A GOAT IN THE FRONT YARD? Youll get 100% FUCK NO! responses. The pols know this.

*chuckle* too

 

[Smootg103]

#nomorepakis

 

[Smootg103]

If they brown, flush em down

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If they brown, flush em down

If they're yellow, then they are mellow...