Legacy of Genghis Khan

[Olivianna]

There's a show opening at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, this fall of the same title. What do you think of GK? What'd the Khan ever do that was so great? Did he (or his legacy) have connections with Islam?
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ilkh/hd_ilkh.htm




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[islandman]

There's a show opening at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, this fall of the same title. What's the deal? What'd the Khan ever do that was so great? Didn't he (or his legacy) have connections with Islam?

He's renowed for popularizing the use of stirrups for horses. For the first time in history, you could use a horse as a weapon of war rather than a pack animal. His success as a conquerer is the direct result of this.

Oh, and he killed alot of people.


thanks for the heads up on this. I'll keep a look out for it. I'm going.

 

[p_p_man]

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thanks for the heads up on this. I'll keep a look out for it. I'm going.

Yes. I hope the show comes over here.

Sounds interesting...

ppman

 

[Olivianna]

No such luck. It heads to L.A. after NY, and that's it.

 

[islandman]

No such luck. It heads to L.A. after NY, and that's it.

You have a link?

 

[peachykeen]

If you really want to know, why don't you...go see it? I'm sure it's been well thought out and researched, seems to me that would be the best way to learn.

 

[427cobra]

IF I remember right, he conquered 3/4 of the world known of his time. Only Alexander rivalled him as a conquerer. Notice I didn't say Hannibal. Hannibal's soul goal was to be able to humble Rome and to dictate peace terms on Carthage behalf that would allow for greater trade expansion. Hannibal was not out to gain territory, but to demand concessions from Rome at her own gates. Kahn and Alexander were kings and conquerors.

 

[Olivianna]

If you really want to know, why don't you...go see it? I'm sure it's been well thought out and researched, seems to me that would be the best way to learn.

I am actually more interested in seeing what people on the BB may think, which is why I posed the questions.

 

[islandman]

IF I remember right, he conquered 3/4 of the world known of his time. Only Alexander rivalled him as a conquerer. Notice I didn't say Hannibal. Hannibal's soul goal was to be able to humble Rome and to dictate peace terms on Carthage behalf that would allow for greater trade expansion. Hannibal was not out to gain territory, but to demand concessions from Rome at her own gates. Kahn and Alexander were kings and conquerors.

I don't think Kahn was a king. But I could be wrong.

 

[Olivianna]

You have a link?

http://www.metmuseum.org/special/se_upcoming.asp
If the link doesn't work, just go to met.org.

 

[sufisaint]

He was one bad ass mf with a curved sword and a horse...

 

[427cobra]

I don't think Kahn was a king. But I could be wrong.

He was head of his tribe. If not in actual title he was a king. It was the best was I could draw the parallels and still have it make sense.

 

[takingchances42]

I am actually more interested in seeing what people on the BB may think, which is why I posed the questions.

Hmmm... so you are implying that you deliberately tried to sound more ignorant on the subject than you are, just to see what people would post?

Interesting thread strategy...

 

[SilvaTungDevil]

Man I wish I lived in NYC. That Genghis Khan is so damned cool!

I loved it when he kicked Kirks ass. OH! and when he put those worms in checkov's ear....how cool was that?

 

[medjay]

There's a show opening at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, this fall of the same title. What's the deal? What'd the Khan ever do that was so great? Didn't he (or his legacy) have connections with Islam?

Is this supposed to mean that no one with ties to Islam is capable of doing great things?

 

[p_p_man]

Interesting thread strategy...

A common one though to open up a discussion...

ppman

 

[Weird Harold]

What's the deal? What'd the Khan ever do that was so great? Didn't he (or his legacy) have connections with Islam?

In the context of this show -- which covers a time period starting some 30 years after GK's death and therefore is inaccurately titled -- GK unified most of Asia and created conditions where Chines arts and sciences could interact with west asian (persian and islamic) arts and sciences.

In the wider context of world history, GK was the direct precursor of the Czars in Russia, the threat that created the unified kingdom of Poland and several other modern countries.

GK and his heirs were Chinese animists and cmae into conflict with the spread of Islam -- in the sense that that conflict and later trade shaped the development of Isam, then yes, he had "connections with islam."

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Wasn't Genghis Khan credited with opening up trade routes between Europe and the Far East?

 

[427cobra]

There's a show opening at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, this fall of the same title. What's the deal? What'd the Khan ever do that was so great? Didn't he (or his legacy) have connections with Islam?

I don't remember Khan having Islamic ties. I don't think that Mongols were muslims. Again, it's been a while since I've read anything on Him. Now if it were Hannibal I could give you a better understanding.

 

[Olivianna]

Hmmm... so you are implying that you deliberately tried to sound more ignorant on the subject than you are, just to see what people would post?

Interesting thread strategy...

Yes, I did actually. I am interested in learning how the topic is perceived by others. I certainly didn't mean to deceive by using that strategy, nor do I mean to step in and then spew off all of my "knowledge," or anything like that. Just curious.

 

[Olivianna]

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Is this supposed to mean that no one with ties to Islam is capable of doing great things?

No.

 

[takingchances42]

A common one though to open up a discussion...

ppman

For a discussion, then the better Met link would have been:

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ilkh/hd_ilkh.htm

Which makes clear it was not about Ghengis Khan at all, but the Ilkhanid dynasty of his grandson, Hulegu, which did eventually become Islamic. The thread title did say Legacy of course, but the post certainly implied the show was about the grandfather...

 

[Azwed]

The invading mongols also left a legacy with the look of the polish people. So many mongols inpregnated polish women that they changed the look of the polish people. Slightly slanted eyes and other asian features were bred into the poles.

 

[427cobra]

The invading mongols also left a legacy with the look of the polish people. So many mongols inpregnated polish women that they changed the look of the polish people. Slightly slanted eyes and other asian features were bred into the poles.

I never knew that! That's interesting. Does anybody know Khan's real name?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Temujin?