Leagues

[mdb913]

As is obvious from my post count, I don't do much talking here at the Lit Forums. Sometimes I emerge from whatever quagmire I hibernate in and show my face, but beyond that, I relegate myself in other message boards. Now, one of these message boards had a thread up today talking about leagues--as in, dating and marrying "out of one's league". The initial post basically asked "Do you believe that there's such a thing as leagues, and have you dated out of yours?".

Ladies and gents, I was flabberghasted. Flabberghasted that the fact that there are leagues was even in question.

As I've probably made obvious by now (if you've seen roughly 97% of my posts here), I have about as much self-confidence as a BK Stacker has health benefits, so it's obvious that my stance on this is that...well, of fucking COURSE there are leagues. To believe that any man can sweep any woman off her feet, even with the right amount of self-confidence, is laughable at best. Sure, there's the occasional anomaly, but the thing about anomalies is that they rarely occur.

Leagues--do they exist, and/or do they matter?

 

[cloudy]

I don't think they exist except in some folks' minds.

You limit yourself by believing in them.

 

[rgraham666]

Do they exist? Of course. Human beings always divide themselves up into 'classes' of one sort or another. It's the ape in us.

Should they matter? Generally no. However I, for example, have no interest in chasing Aileen Wuornos. That's a 'league' I have no intention of descending into.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

There are to possibly confused things here. This person may have been talking about bowling leagues. So the question is: Would an honest person from the Valley Lanes Semi-Pro League woo some person from, say, the Hollywood Bowl Fire Department League. This raises some serious questions in my mind. Their bowling shirts would certainly clash and at which place would they choose to bowl? Are they the same sex? Now there's another wrinkle.

However, if this person were talking about community/economic status, then he/she must not be an American. I think for the most part we don't remember "league" in those terms.

 

[NoJo]

As is obvious from my post count, I don't do much talking here at the Lit Forums. Sometimes I emerge from whatever quagmire I hibernate in and show my face, but beyond that, I relegate myself in other message boards. Now, one of these message boards had a thread up today talking about leagues--as in, dating and marrying "out of one's league". The initial post basically asked "Do you believe that there's such a thing as leagues, and have you dated out of yours?".

Ladies and gents, I was flabberghasted. Flabberghasted that the fact that there are leagues was even in question.

As I've probably made obvious by now (if you've seen roughly 97% of my posts here), I have about as much self-confidence as a BK Stacker has health benefits, so it's obvious that my stance on this is that...well, of fucking COURSE there are leagues. To believe that any man can sweep any woman off her feet, even with the right amount of self-confidence, is laughable at best. Sure, there's the occasional anomaly, but the thing about anomalies is that they rarely occur.

Leagues--do they exist, and/or do they matter?

I don't know about "leagues" -- evaluating a person is a complex business which most of the time we do instinctively.

I, for example have an high "inner beauty" which is worth about 75 regular, or outer, beauty points. But my tendency to pustulate spontaneaously counts as 18 or so negative grading points ("ugly points"). When it come to personality, I like dogs (+5), but not Chihuauas (-2). I can cook (+16), but my dandruff tends to fall in the sauce when i do (-13). I can sing a beautiful counter-tenor (+58), but only when singing a mournful Gregorian dirge (-18).

It's amazing how people evaluate me in a few seconds, performing the sum (75-18+5-2+16-13+58-18).

 

[mdb913]

There are to possibly confused things here. This person may have been talking about bowling leagues. So the question is: Would an honest person from the Valley Lanes Semi-Pro League woo some person from, say, the Hollywood Bowl Fire Department League. This raises some serious questions in my mind. Their bowling shirts would certainly clash and at which place would they choose to bowl? Are they the same sex? Now there's another wrinkle.

However, if this person were talking about community/economic status, then he/she must not be an American. I think for the most part we don't remember "league" in those terms.

...Funny.

 

[gauchecritic]

All through my teens I did think there were leagues. I was very aware how awkward I was in the presence of beauty.

When I was 19 I found myself surrounded by a bevy of gorgeous 15/16 year olds whilst playing Barnaby in Hello Dolly I got to touch quite a few of them and hold a couple of them in the dancing scene (it was the polka but hey a waist is a waist)

On the first night I put on my brave face and went kissing all the girls waiting to go on stage before curtain up and wishing them broken legs, the motive behind that was because the girl I had my eye on, the one that was out of my league was part of that group and I kissed each girl in turn so that I could kiss her.

There were three girls in particular that took my fancy, two had speaking parts one was in the chorus. I regularly walked the chorus girl home and snogged her.

One day as I walked home from school (upper sixth re-sits) one of the girls from the play caught me up (she lived nearby) and gave me a note. The note was from the traditionally prettiest of the three, the one that was out of my league. Blonde, voluptuous and about six to eight inches shorter than me.

The note explained that she fancied me, that she'd almost died on that night when I kissed the waiting cast thinking that I wouldn't even bother with her and was thrilled that I had condescended to kiss her cheek and would I go out with her.

So yes, there are leagues but only to onlookers or inside your own head.

Years later the mother of the girl that had passed on the note from the blonde told me that her daughter had had a crush on me the entire time. Boy did that upset me. She was tall, (as tall as me) had long dark wavy hair and had the build of a 'farmer's daughter'. She was definitely in my league and I never once thought that she would be free to be asked out. I always wish I had.

These days, nothing and no-one is out of my league, I'll talk to anybody with absolutely no qualms about leagues, class or status. I just wish I knew then...

 

[mdb913]

Yeah, I was never quite as lucky to be in such a position.

My philosophy, more or less, is that I'd rather spend 90 years alone rather than waste nine seconds of a woman's time, and nothing I have done in the past 22-and-a-half years has proven to me that I'd be anything other than that.

 

[Harry Leg]

I don't know about "leagues" -- evaluating a person is a complex business which most of the time we do instinctively.

I, for example have an high "inner beauty" which is worth about 75 regular, or outer, beauty points. But my tendency to pustulate spontaneaously counts as 18 or so negative grading points ("ugly points"). When it come to personality, I like dogs (+5), but not Chihuauas (-2). I can cook (+16), but my dandruff tends to fall in the sauce when i do (-13). I can sing a beautiful counter-tenor (+58), but only when singing a mournful Gregorian dirge (-18).

It's amazing how people evaluate me in a few seconds, performing the sum (75-18+5-2+16-13+58-18).

Hate to dispute this but I believe that dandruff in the sauce is only a -11 deduction unless of course it is a whiskey cream sauce which I believe makes it a -9.

 

[Harry Leg]

Yeah, I was never quite as lucky to be in such a position.

My philosophy, more or less, is that I'd rather spend 90 years alone rather than waste nine seconds of a woman's time, and nothing I have done in the past 22-and-a-half years has proven to me that I'd be anything other than that.

How do you plan to fix that?

 

[tickledkitty]

Hate to dispute this but I believe that dandruff in the sauce is only a -11 deduction unless of course it is a whiskey cream sauce which I believe makes it a -9.

I disagree with you both. It's only a negative deduction if someone actually witnesses the dandruff falling into the sauce. Once there, it effectively disappears, rendering the sauce virtually unchanged. There's something to be said for hiding the negatives, at least in the initial stages of a relationship.

BTW, I think that spontaneous pustulating would be more than a -18 deduction (probably more like a -30 for me), which leads me to think this whole grading system is subjective and not worth diddly.

 

[NoJo]

Hate to dispute this but I believe that dandruff in the sauce is only a -11 deduction unless of course it is a whiskey cream sauce which I believe makes it a -9.

I stand corrected. I estimate you at 468, which is somewhere between Donald Rumsfeld and Angelina Jolie.

 

[NoJo]

I disagree with you both. It's only a negative deduction if someone actually witnesses the dandruff falling into the sauce. Once there, it effectively disappears, rendering the sauce virtually unchanged. There's something to be said for hiding the negatives, at least in the initial stages of a relationship.

BTW, I think that spontaneous pustulating would be more than a -18 deduction (probably more like a -30 for me), which leads me to think this whole grading system is subjective and not worth diddly.

Not only that, but all the rich guys get all the hot chicks

 

[cloudy]

Not only that, but all the rich guys get all the hot chicks

I couldn't quantify my hotness factor, but I've dated some pretty poor guys.

 

[mdb913]

How do you plan to fix that?

...It's fixable?

 

[NoJo]

I couldn't quantify my hotness factor, but I've dated some pretty poor guys.

HOPE!!

 

[cloudy]

HOPE!!

money's never been important to me.

eta: I think you're hot, Joe, if that helps.

 

[kendo1]

But to get back to the point, it would seem reasonable to assume that 'rich' people tend to associate with other 'rich' people, similarly for 'poor' and 'middle income'. When would they interact with each other?

Is this a class society?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Not only that, but all the rich guys get all the hot chicks

Not so much rich as successful. Of course, the two are usually closely related, so the point is somewhat moot. However, there are some who become famous without being rich, and they get more than their share of the hot chicks too.

As for leagues, until I was in my late thirties, I thought of all females as being out of my league. I was amazed when I met a woman who was actually romantically interested in me.

 

[Harry Leg]

...It's fixable?

What? Are you kidding me? Everything is fixable.

 

[mdb913]

What? Are you kidding me? Everything is fixable.

What about the levees in New Orleans?

 

[Harry Leg]

What about the levees in New Orleans?

Bourbon blues on the street loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue-green
I can Forksake the dixie dead shake
So we dance the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim

Colonel Tom What's wrong? What's Going On
You can't tie yourself up for a deal
He said" Hey North you're south shut you big mouth
You gotta do what you feel is real."
Ain't got no picture postcards ain't go no souvenirs
My baby she don't know me when I'm thinking about those years

Pale as a light bulb hanging on a wire
Sucking up to someone just stoke the fire
Picking out the highlights of the scenery
Saw a little cloud looked a little like me

I had my hands in the river
My feet back up on the banks
Looked up to the Lord above and said hey man thanks
Sometimes I fell so good I gotta scream
She says Gordie baby I know exactly what you mean
She said, she said I swear to God she said

My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim

~the hip

 

[mdb913]

................................Exactly.

.........................................I think.

 

[slyc_willie]

I dated someone once who thought money, position, prestige and image were more important than personal happiness and satisfaction. I would say she was in one league, and I was in another.

Personally, I like where I am. I know I have a good life.

 

[mdb913]

I dated someone once who thought money, position, prestige and image were more important than personal happiness and satisfaction. I would say she was in one league, and I was in another.

Personally, I like where I am. I know I have a good life.

Good man.