Laziness and a Kingdom for a Mexican.

[Joe Wordsworth]

I'm not too sure how I feel about the immigration issue (only came up tonite because of an issue with finding some Mexican workers around the county that were not legal)... but from a managerial standpoint, it's a golden dream to have someone willing to work for $6/hr and do a thoroughly better job than the ones half-assing it.

I have to wonder how much jobs are worth when there are those willing and able to do it for so little.

The construction company that was contracting the immigrants had a few things to say about the matter. The gist of it was "they do just as good a job, often much better; they like the pay; and they know exactly what they're doing, they're not stupid"

 

[R. Richard]

I'm not too sure how I feel about the immigration issue (only came up tonite because of an issue with finding some Mexican workers around the county that were not legal)... but from a managerial standpoint, it's a golden dream to have someone willing to work for $6/hr and do a thoroughly better job than the ones half-assing it.

I have to wonder how much jobs are worth when there are those willing and able to do it for so little.

The construction company that was contracting the immigrants had a few things to say about the matter. The gist of it was "they do just as good a job, often much better; they like the pay; and they know exactly what they're doing, they're not stupid"

The Mexicans who come up from Mexico to do hard labor jobs are NOT willing to do it. They do it out of desperation. They come to the US because there are no jobs for them back in Mexico or the job(s) they can get don't pay enough to support them in Mexico.

They come and sleep a dozen to an apartment, if they afford an apartment. [In SoCal, many sleep in the canyons above the farms they work in the day so that they can send more oney back to Mexico.]

They are mainly intelligent, hard working people who deserve much better. Unfortunately, there are criminals who come up from Mexico with them and the whole thing is a real mess.

What is needed is real jobs for the Mexicans in Mexico. For the first time, Calderone is making some steps in the right direction. If you knew the political situation down there, you would realize how hard it is to change the system.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Those with get-up-and-go have gotten up and come. God bless 'em, and best wishes to 'em. As long as the culture of assimilation remains intact here, we are better off for having them.

That said, I too hope that someday Mexico will abandon the fatal populism of its politics and corruption of its political culture, and commit itself to the rule of law and a genuine free market economy as described by Adam Smith (rather than so-called crony "capitalism," which is not really capitalism at all.) If and when that comes about, within a generation Mexico will acheive a level of prosperity for all its people that rivals that of el Norte.

 

[McKenna]

Those with get-up-and-go have gotten up and come. God bless 'em, and best wishes to 'em. As long as the culture of assimilation remains intact here, we are better off for having them.

That said, I too hope that someday Mexico will abandon the fatal populism of its politics and corruption of its political culture, and commit itself to the rule of law and a genuine free market economy as described by Adam Smith (rather than so-called crony "capitalism," which is not really capitalism at all.) If and when that comes about, within a generation Mexico will acheive a level of prosperity for all its people that rivals that of el Norte.

...and then Canada and Mexico will join forces and come kick our lazy, spoiled, whiney asses. "Who's the bitch now, Yankee?!"

I spent one summer hoeing sugar beats. One. I think my parents were trying to teach me a lesson about how hard it is to earn money. After those few weeks I had a helluva lot more appreciation for the immigrant workers who come work the fields. It's not a job I want to do again. Ever.

 

[Lee Chambers]

This reminds me of that big protest/walk-out that Mexicans and other central american immigrants (illegal or otherwise) took part in. Basically they tried to make us see what it's like to have a day without a Mexican.

I remember hearing one of the organizers for the walkouts saying that "Today, you will not see a single hard hat out there when you go to work!"

I laughed at that, put my hard hat on, and went to work.

 

[elsol]

Those with get-up-and-go have gotten up and come. God bless 'em, and best wishes to 'em. As long as the culture of assimilation remains intact here, we are better off for having them.

That said, I too hope that someday Mexico will abandon the fatal populism of its politics and corruption of its political culture, and commit itself to the rule of law and a genuine free market economy as described by Adam Smith (rather than so-called crony "capitalism," which is not really capitalism at all.) If and when that comes about, within a generation Mexico will acheive a level of prosperity for all its people that rivals that of el Norte.

Why does the culture of assimilation have to remain intact?

Cultures change.

 

[S-Des]

Why does the culture of assimilation have to remain intact?

Cultures change.

Cultures change to reflect a melting of ALL nationalities, not kissing the ass of one particular group. I love the way illegal immigration is always made to sound like we're picking on Mexicans (as if no one else comes to America). If I call to make a payment on my truck or check my bank account status, I get messages for English and Spanish. No French (which I speak), Polish, Russian, Korean, or a dozen other nationalities that have large immigrant groups in this area. It's like "Screw everyone else, just bend over backwards to accomodate us."

A big reason illegal immigration is bad (that is never talked about) is because people will work for slave wages in horrific conditions that they shouldn't have to in our country. They are more likely to be sexually harrassed (who would they complain too?), discriminated against, or be the victim of crime.

As for the tough jobs they'll do that no one else will, that's just not true. There was recently a large bust of illegal immigrants at a factory that removed almost 200 people from the job force. Within a week, they announced they were hiring (at legitimate wages) and there was a line of people that couldn't be processed in a single day (which featured Americans and legal immigrants who very much wanted to work). There was a TV special on the farms that depend on that cheap labor to survive. I was surprised to find out that people from other countries (Jamaica in particular) used to come for a few months every year on legal visas to do that work. Now that the work is done by people who don't care about our laws, the people who depended on that income are SOL (last time I checked, they had families too).

There was an unbelievable stat about the spike in crime among illegal immigrants. I need to see more numbers before I'll believe what I heard (or be willing to claim it as a source), but it was staggering. I am all for setting up the system to let more people (of all nationalities) flow into our country to pursue their dream, but I'm totally against people just deciding to ignore the laws and sneak in. What bothers me is the people who say my position is uncaring, yet they don't mind people coming here only to be used and discarded so that corporations can make a few extra bucks. That is just wrong, no matter what.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Coming from a Mexican family... and having family that have worked in America... I am of two opinions on it.

First, that in an effort to promote and stay dedicated to an objective view of the economics of the issue--I think its more hazardous having the immigration labor in the country. I think it disrupts much, throws a lot out of whack, and createst a number of legal problems that the courts aren't well designed to deal with.

Second, I think I know too many lazy white people who complain a /lot/ about having so little--and know too many Mexicans who work too hard for what the others wouldn't work for. It has given me a low opinion of your average labor-line person, seeing what someone else will do in their position.

Its a tough one.

 

[amicus]

Jeezus, Joe, whas so funking hard? Individual human freedom and liberty, a free market place, America is a land of immigrants who came here to be free... what is so funking hard to understand?

amicus...

 

[TxRad]

This came to me the other night as I was driving home from work and thinking about the problems facing this country. Illegal Immigration was at the top of the list. The solution came to me in a blinding revelation. Okay, so the blinding part might have been the high beams on the semi truck going the other direction.

The answer is really simple when you think about it. First off, we pull the INS and the troops out of that hot dangerous desert, with its thorny cactus and rattlesnakes. Instead of on the border, we station them at all the Western Union and Federal Express offices throughout the country.

This serves a two-fold purpose. First, it puts the people that chase illegal liens where they are most likely to go and stops the flood of money out of this country in one easy step.

Then there is the matter of people with green cards shipping money home. That’s easy to solve. We institute a flat tax of say twenty-five percent on all money going to Mexico. This is about the same rate that a tax paying worker has to pay on a 1099. It’s only fair, and look at all the tax money the government would have to refund to the school systems, the hospital system, and the welfare system.

Then there is the matter of all that abandoned land in Mexico. All the people are up here so why don’t we buy it up for pennies on the peso. Oh, wait, the peso isn’t worth a penny. In that case we could just move in and declare squatters rights on the land along the Gulf coast and along the Baja Coast.

This land could be used to build more Disney Worlds and other attractions, plus condos, retirement homes, and assisted living for our elderly. Just think how they would love the warm dry climate without all those messy hurricanes like in South Florida. It would solve Florida’s voting problems as people outside the country vote on paper ballots. They could even have pictures on them.

The cost of living down there is much cheaper than in the U.S. so social security would actually cover the cost of living with a little left over for fun. The local Wal-Mart could have a parking lot full of handicapped parking spaces and no one would care. Only the handicapped would have cars. The locals can’t afford them.

The few people with money and foresight to get in on the ground floor would make a killing. The illegal immigrants we deport could be given jobs building everything and then working there afterwards. That would put them closer to home and make them less likely to want to return to the states.

After a while the ones here in this country would be headed home for the jobs down there. We would have to set up more boarder checkpoints but they wouldn’t be there to stop anyone. They would be there to tax all that money going to Mexico that hadn’t been sent by Federal Express or Western Union. See above for an explanation of this tax.

All in all it looks like a win, win situation if there ever was one. Illegal aliens are actually caught, the flood of money also stopped, so the INS agents are happy as well as the tax paying public. Senior citizens are happy. The rich are getting richer which makes them happy.

The only loser would be Florida but they have their own problems with Cubans, and the rest of the Island nations in the Gulf. Someone else will have to address these problems.

I should have thought of this earlier and run for Governor of Texas or at least sent it to Kinky so he actually had a plan if he lucked out and won.

You might take this as total tongue and cheek but then again if you look at it in the run long and with an open mind you might just find some good ideas. I have nothing against Mexico or the Mexican people, they are just doing what they have to, to survive and get ahead. The same things a lot of us would do if the situation were reversed.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Jeezus, Joe, whas so funking hard? Individual human freedom and liberty, a free market place, America is a land of immigrants who came here to be free... what is so funking hard to understand?

amicus...

America is also a land of laws, and the people in question are breaking the law. I don't mean just the immigration law, but I don't exclude that. They are also breaking various tax laws besides committing criminal acts.

 

[Liar]

Why does the culture of assimilation have to remain intact?

Cultures change.

Assimilation only means assimilation into something static if you're the Borg.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

You might take this as total tongue and cheek but then again if you look at it in the run long and with an open mind you might just find some good ideas. I have nothing against Mexico or the Mexican people, they are just doing what they have to, to survive and get ahead. The same things a lot of us would do if the situation were reversed.

You are not the first to suggest the retirees-go-south concept as a win-win solution for both wealthy nation with the aging population and the struggling poor country whose people need opportunity. An op-ed in the WSJ recently suggested this for Europe and North Africa.

Why does the culture of assimilation have to remain intact?
Cultures change.

Yes, cultures change, and if Mexican immigrants do not assimilate then the change in the U.S. would be in an unhealthy direction, per part two of the post by me you quoted: The fatal populism of Mexico's politics, the corruption of its political culture, the tenuous hold of the rule of law, and "crony capitalism" instead of a genuine free market economy as described by Adam Smith.

If Mexicans bring these things north, they will re-create what they are seeking to escape. The evidence I've seen suggests that most immigrants appreciate this - if not the so-called "leaders" and activists of Latin identity-politics groups here.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

America is also a land of laws, and the people in question are breaking the law. I don't mean just the immigration law, but I don't exclude that. They are also breaking various tax laws besides committing criminal acts.

Let he who is without speeding tickets cast the first stone.

I no more hold "violating the law" by escaping to el Norte against a poor Mexican than I would hold it against a Jew violating Germany's emigration laws in 1938, or a human being violating Soviet Russia's emigration law from 1917 to 1991.

The law is an ass. We should hand out work permits like candy to any person who genuinely wants to work here, because their hard work contributes to our economy, and to their own nation when they send funds home. People should be able to cross easily back and forth for this purpose. I have mixed feelings about permanent residence, but the work permit part is a no-brainer.

 

[R. Richard]

Then there is the matter of all that abandoned land in Mexico. All the people are up here so why don’t we buy it up for pennies on the peso. Oh, wait, the peso isn’t worth a penny. In that case we could just move in and declare squatters rights on the land along the Gulf coast and along the Baja Coast.

The French tried something like that some years back. The matter was settled in a place called Puebla. [YOu can Google it up or try "El Cinco de Mayo."]

 

[Boxlicker101]

Let he who is without speeding tickets cast the first stone.

I no more hold "violating the law" by escaping to el Norte against a poor Mexican than I would hold it against a Jew violating Germany's emigration laws in 1938, or a human being violating Soviet Russia's emigration law from 1917 to 1991.

The law is an ass. We should hand out work permits like candy to any person who genuinely wants to work here, because their hard work contributes to our economy, and to their own nation when they send funds home. People should be able to cross easily back and forth for this purpose. I have mixed feelings about permanent residence, but the work permit part is a no-brainer.

Okay. Work permits. If they were available, that would be within the law. By doing that, the work would be at no less than the minimum wage in the particular state, and the employer would pay payroll taxes and deduct things like Social Security and income withholding taxes. However, that would remove the incentive for employers to hire the illegals because they would not be saving enough to make it worthwhile.

To say "Americans won't do that kind of work" is nonsense. I know this because I used to do stoop labor in the fields, as did hundreds of other Americans. Construction work used to be a good job, until illegals started working for less and depressing wages. Even now, Americans will do whatever kind of work is available, but they won't do it for as little as illegals will.

 

[R. Richard]

The problem with the current immigration from Mexico is rooted in problems in Mexico.

In 1937 IIRC, there was almost a revolution in Mexico. The middle/upper class losers got to San Diego with the Federales nipping at their heels. The illegal immigrantds mostly didn't speak American and had only the clothes on their backs. They got jobs as janitors, maids, trash collectors, etc. Their children were small business people, engineers, skilled workers, etc. Their grandchildren were/are business owners, engineers and part of the establishment that runs San Diego.

The current illegals are very lower class people trapped in 'la caja,' They have no real skills except laborer. They have no learning. They are at very low levels in Mexico and they remain at very low levela here. Some of them are criminals. Get the best from Mexico and you get damn good people. Get the worst from Mexico and you get damn bad people. [Same thing here!]

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TxRad
Then there is the matter of all that abandoned land in Mexico. All the people are up here so why don’t we buy it up for pennies on the peso. Oh, wait, the peso isn’t worth a penny. In that case we could just move in and declare squatters rights on the land along the Gulf coast and along the Baja Coast

The French tried something like that some years back. The matter was settled in a place called Puebla. [YOu can Google it up or try "El Cinco de Mayo."]

Actually, the battle you cite was just a delay in the French conquest. After the American Civil War ended, the US president looked south and said "Hey, you! Get your ass out of our hemisphere!" Napoleon III looked at the enormous veteran American army, the modern navy with its ironclad warships and at the large, essentially unconquered Mexican population, and removed his ass, leaving his appointed governor to be hanged.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

There are both cultural and economic reasons for immigration laws and quotas. You can feel sorry for the "Undocumented Aliens" if you like, but they are still breaking the law.

There are resturaunts and shops not far from me where you cannot be served or buy because the operators are Illegals and only speak spanish. That's wrong. Cultural diversity is being taught in the schools, saying it's alright to not speak english. The free clinics, welfare and other state/federal services that we pay for with our tax dollars are stretched to the limit supporting illegal aliens. (Did you know you don't even need a social security number to get welfare? )

Quotas allow assimilation into the society. What's happening now due to the shear numbers, is an entire second culture growing inside our borders. That's wrong.

I agree with Box. Feel bad for them and all. But they are law-breakers. The problems of Mexico and other latin American countries is neither our concern nor are we responsible for creating those problems. Send them to jail. At the end of their sentences, deport them. If they return, they disappear forever.

This has been a problem along the US/Mexican border for 50 years. However, it's only been the past 10 years that the problem has become so acute. The Border Patrol chases the "illegals", arrests them and deports them. The Mexican government does nothing to the deportees, so they are back in a week or so. The battle at the border is not going to be won until the Mexican government begins doing their part to stop illegal immigration on their side of the border too. I don't see that happening.

Is our government going to put pressure on Mexico to start doing their part? I doubt it. I would close the border with Mexico, which will stop the flow of goods across the border in both directions, until the Beaner Government agrees to hold up their end.

 

[Pure]

it's a shock to find myself agreeing with roxanne, but i say, yes, hand out work permits like candy. don't deport any, save the criminals (not that it does much good).

rr says they violate the law. well, let the law change, or at least NOT be tightened so that being in the US undocumented is a felony, as proposed.

what's not been mentioned is that Republicans love the law as it is; impotent, but there. that is why Bush proposes a *difficult path to amnesty.* that keeps 'em illegal and depresses wages, as his bosses prefer.

IF the undocumented were in a stronger position, they could press for and receive better wages, and the financiers of the Republican party do not want this. the labor market is NOT free; big money has never valued the 'free market,'-- one of the ironies of capitalism.
a genuine 'free market' would help the undocumented.

i propose an *easy path to amnesty* [to gain full rights of residence], ie., staying out of trouble with the law and having a job, for 3 years.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There are both cultural and economic reasons for immigration laws and quotas. You can feel sorry for the "Undocumented Aliens" if you like, but they are still breaking the law.

There are resturaunts and shops not far from me where you cannot be served or buy because the operators are Illegals and only speak spanish. That's wrong. Cultural diversity is being taught in the schools, saying it's alright to not speak english. The free clinics, welfare and other state/federal services that we pay for with our tax dollars are stretched to the limit supporting illegal aliens. (Did you know you don't even need a social security number to get welfare? )

Quotas allow assimilation into the society. What's happening now due to the shear numbers, is an entire second culture growing inside our borders. That's wrong.

I agree with Box. Feel bad for them and all. But they are law-breakers. The problems of Mexico and other latin American countries is neither our concern nor are we responsible for creating those problems. Send them to jail. At the end of their sentences, deport them. If they return, they disappear forever.

This has been a problem along the US/Mexican border for 50 years. However, it's only been the past 10 years that the problem has become so acute. The Border Patrol chases the "illegals", arrests them and deports them. The Mexican government does nothing to the deportees, so they are back in a week or so. The battle at the border is not going to be won until the Mexican government begins doing their part to stop illegal immigration on their side of the border too. I don't see that happening.

Is our government going to put pressure on Mexico to start doing their part? I doubt it. I would close the border with Mexico, which will stop the flow of goods across the border in both directions, until the Beaner Government agrees to hold up their end.

Unfortunately, Mexico won't do anything about it. Even now, they complain about American efforts to halt illegal immigration. For one thing, it takes some of the pressure off them to take care of their people. For another, money sent back home is one of the main sources of foreign currency in Mexico.

I can sympathize with and admire individual illegals. They are mostly decent, hard-working people who want nothing more than to support themselves and their families. However, as a group, they are threatening the American economy, especially in border statres like California, and there are among them many who would be criminals even in Mexico.

Of course, Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens. They come to the US from many other countries, but most of them are from Mexico because they can enter easily and hide in the general population. My wife was an illegal until she married an American man.

 

[R. Richard]

Quote:
Actually, the battle you cite was just a delay in the French conquest. After the American Civil War ended, the US president looked south and said "Hey, you! Get your ass out of our hemisphere!" Napoleon III looked at the enormous veteran American army, the modern navy with its ironclad warships and at the large, essentially unconquered Mexican population, and removed his ass, leaving his appointed governor to be hanged.

My point was that the Mexicans can and will fight for what is theirs. They may not have the means to defeat a large, powerful foreign invader but they can and will fight. The Mexicans did eventually drive Maximillian and his people out of Mexico, if only because the US would not stand for France reinforcing Maximillian's support.

 

[Boxlicker101]

it's a shock to find myself agreeing with roxanne, but i say, yes, hand out work permits like candy. don't deport any, save the criminals (not that it does much good).

rr says they violate the law. well, let the law change, or at least NOT be tightened so that being in the US undocumented is a felony, as proposed.

what's not been mentioned is that Republicans love the law as it is; impotent, but there. that is why Bush proposes a *difficult path to amnesty.* that keeps 'em illegal and depresses wages, as his bosses prefer.

IF the undocumented were in a stronger position, they could press for and receive better wages, and the financiers of the Republican party do not want this. the labor market is NOT free; big money has never valued the 'free market,'-- one of the ironies of capitalism.
a genuine 'free market' would help the undocumented.

i propose an *easy path to amnesty* [to gain full rights of residence], ie., staying out of trouble with the law and having a job, for 3 years.

I am also shocked to find myself mostly agreeing with you. I don't like the idea of handing out work permits, though, because they would depress American wages. This was done during the fifties and sixties and before. The permit holders were called "Braceros" and they came to do agricultural work. Their presence depressed wages in that industry (and resulted in cheap food) until the program finally ended under public pressure.

It's not just Republicans who favor the illegals. It's business owners of all parties. Democrats publicly oppose them because of their labor base, but many members of that party secretly favor them also, and would do nothing to eliminate them. Of course, nobody is going to come out in favor of law-breakers, except under certain circumstances.

I hate the idea of amnesty because it basically favors breaking the law and getting away with it for a long time. However, it it is to happen, it must take much longer than a measly three years. That's actually less time than is involved in the more traditional way of leaving the native country and becoming a citizen.

 

[cantdog]

Coming from a Mexican family... and having family that have worked in America... I am of two opinions on it.

First, that in an effort to promote and stay dedicated to an objective view of the economics of the issue--I think its more hazardous having the immigration labor in the country. I think it disrupts much, throws a lot out of whack, and createst a number of legal problems that the courts aren't well designed to deal with.

Second, I think I know too many lazy white people who complain a /lot/ about having so little--and know too many Mexicans who work too hard for what the others wouldn't work for. It has given me a low opinion of your average labor-line person, seeing what someone else will do in their position.

Its a tough one.

Insofar as you have taken a stand, I agree with you, though. Immigration per se is clearly just fine; [rhetoric]who are any of us but the children of immigrants?[/rhetoric] But the way we have been handling this Mexican influx (among others, viz., Haitians, Dominicans, etc.) is very self destructive.

We hire them avidly, and criminalize them just as avidly. The result is exploitation, racism reinforced, thousands and thousands of border cops we otherwise wouldn't have to support, and now fear, suspicion, dozens of billions in "fences," the creation/sustaining of a big people-smuggling industry with it's own attendant exploitation, bloodshed and misery, and on and on. Court time. Incarceration.
Starvation. Hatred. Expense.

Maine is too white for me to have seen your 'second' point. We have white guys in the fields, white guys in the McJobs, all that. Not that we wouldn't exploit 'em, I suppose, if we had any. Some of the blueberry people use migrant labor to supplement the harvest work force, but they are migrants, the majority from Canada, and they move on after the season's over. Not sure, either, how much complaining counts as way too much complaining. Maybe we do that and only you could tell us for certain how excessive it was.

 

[cantdog]

There are both cultural and economic reasons for immigration laws and quotas. You can feel sorry for the "Undocumented Aliens" if you like, but they are still breaking the law.

Thanks.

And since the discussion is about how or if to change the law, it is really pointless to keep saying the law makes these things a problem.

There are resturaunts and shops not far from me where you cannot be served or buy because the operators are Illegals and only speak spanish. That's wrong.

There are others where a German tourist has difficulty because the operators are Americans like you who only speak English and think learning another language is wrong.

Cultural diversity is being taught in the schools, saying it's alright to not speak english.

Well, yes. It is all right. Most of the world doesn't speak English. It's all right not to speak Chinese, too.

The free clinics, welfare and other state/federal services that we pay for with our tax dollars are stretched to the limit supporting illegal aliens. (Did you know you don't even need a social security number to get welfare? )

Did you know that they don't need one to be arrested, to be drafted into the Army, to be killed, to be blackmailed, to be enslaved?

Quotas allow assimilation into the society. What's happening now due to the sheer numbers, is an entire second culture growing inside our borders. That's wrong.

I agree with Box.

But all he said was that there are laws, right now. That's what we're discussing.

Feel bad for them and all. But they are law-breakers. The problems of Mexico and other latin American countries is neither our concern nor are we responsible for creating those problems. Send them to jail. At the end of their sentences, deport them. If they return, they disappear forever.

What happens in Iraq or Somalia doesn't seem like our concern, either, but behold! It really does turn out to be important to us. Enough to send young Americans in to kill and destroy. And I think you will discover, if you check into the situation, that what happens in Mexico is of concern to us, as well. You are mistaken to believe we have no interest in what happens there. Isn't, for instance, the enforcing of OUR immigration laws our responsibility?

This has been a problem along the US/Mexican border for 50 years. However, it's only been the past 10 years that the problem has become so acute.

I don't know where you derive this history from. But I don't much care. I'll concede your timetable. Now, what is it, exactly, that is so "acute?" The allowing of non-English languages in the schools? Our schools educating small children, whether or not they have papers? Our doctors stopping their bleeding, treating their fractures, whether or not they have papers? Our blood banks accepting their blood whether or not they have papers? Our stores taking their money when they buy beer? Waht's so "acute?"

The Border Patrol chases the "illegals", arrests them and deports them. The Mexican government does nothing to the deportees, so they are back in a week or so. The battle at the border is not going to be won until the Mexican government begins doing their part to stop illegal immigration on their side of the border too. I don't see that happening.

Is our government going to put pressure on Mexico to start doing their part? I doubt it. I would close the border with Mexico, which will stop the flow of goods across the border in both directions, until the Beaner Government agrees to hold up their end.

Maybe the Mexican government doesn't think they have a pressing interest in enforcing OUR immigration laws. Maybe they think enforcing OUR laws might be OUR responsibility.