Laura Ingraham wants to strip immigrants' children of "birthright citizenship"

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Laura Ingraham wants to strip immigrants' children of "birthright citizenship"

From Salon:

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 08:30 AM EST

Laura Ingraham’s “birthright” fiasco: How GOP nativists poison the immigration debate

Conservatives' radical notion of citizenship helps explain why Republicans are so hapless on immigration reform

Simon Maloy


With President Obama on the cusp of implementing some (as-yet-unspecified) executive actions to curb deportations and grant work permits for undocumented immigrants, we’re barreling toward what looks to be another knock-down, drag-out fight over immigration. And whenever immigration moves to the forefront of national politics, the very worst nativist instincts of the conservative movement reassert themselves and add a bit of old-timey, anti-immigrant flavor to the debate.

Radio host Laura Ingraham is one of the more influential anti-immigrant voices on the right, owing in large part to her sweet gig as a contributor for ABC News. She was a key figure in Eric Cantor’s stunning primary defeat this summer, lending her voice and influence to Cantor’s challenger as they painted the former House majority leader as a pro-“amnesty” squish. Her positions on immigration are so repellent that she makes Bill O’Reilly, the thought-leader for scared old white conservatives, seem reasonable by comparison. She’s a real feather in your cap, ABC!

Anyway, with immigration back in the news Ingraham was back on the radio offering her unique solutions for how to deal with the issue. One of her key policy recommendations is to amend the Constitution to prohibit birthright citizenship, “which is opening the door to all sorts of fraud and gaming the system,” she explains. You might remember from a few years back the hullabaloo over “anchor babies” – pregnant women who were supposedly entering the country illegally just so they could give birth and then somehow cash in on their offspring’s citizenship status. The phenomenon was driven almost exclusively by conservative hysteria, and birthright citizenship was at the center of it.

Birthright citizenship is a fairly straightforward principle: If you are born within the territorial boundaries of the United States and your parents are not in the service of a foreign government (i.e., diplomats, soldiers, etc.), then you are citizen of the United States. Your parents don’t have to be citizens, nor do they have to be legal residents. That’s been U.S. policy ever since the 14th Amendment was ratified, and it’s enjoyed Supreme Court affirmation stretching all the way back to 1898. Birthright citizenship is one of the great democratizing principles of American law: If you’re born here, you’re afforded the same rights and privileges as anyone else, regardless of who your parents are.

The nativists of the conservative movement, however, don’t think this should be the case. Not only that, they believe that birthright citizenship was never intended to be U.S. policy, and that the courts and the government have been misinterpreting the 14th Amendment these past 150 years. As you might have guessed, this is a radical idea that has little to no precedent or legal theory to back it up.

Their argument boils down to one phrase in the amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Supreme Court justices, lower court judges, legal scholars and the drafters of the amendment all agreed that the phrase was meant to exclude only those people whose parents were actively serving a foreign government. People like Ingraham, however, insist that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means your parents can’t be citizens of a foreign nation. It’s the sort of tendentious, bad-faith legal reasoning that would make the Halbig folks proud.

All the dispositive legal history wasn’t enough to dissuade the anti-immigrant movement, and the notion that the 14th Amendment is being wrongly applied to the children of undocumented immigrants became an article of faith and an activist cause. In 2011, a group called the Immigration Reform Law Institute unveiled state-level model legislation that redefined citizenship to conform to the nativists’ boutique interpretation of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The group’s stated intent was to provoke a lawsuit and trust that the conservatives on the Supreme Court would throw out over a century of precedent and rule in their favor.

The push to end birthright citizenship also reached some of the highest levels of the Republican Party. In 2010, Lindsey Graham called for birthright citizenship to be reexamined: “We ought to have a logical discussion. Is this the way to award American citizenship, sell it to somebody who’s rich, reward somebody who breaks the law?” Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, who will lead both houses of Congress come January, thought the idea was at least worth considering. “There is a problem,” Boehner said at the time. “To provide an incentive for illegal immigrants to come here so that their children can be U.S. citizens does, in fact, draw more people to our country.” One of the first things likely 2016 Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul did when he made it to the Senate in 2011 was to introduce a resolution ending birthright citizenship.

As Republicans became more sensitive to the fact that they needed to improve their standing with Hispanic voters, calls for ending birthright citizenship were replaced with calls to pass comprehensive immigration reform. But the cause still has adherents in the GOP – Iowa Rep. Steve King, unofficial leader of the House anti-immigrant caucus, introduced legislation at the beginning of this session of Congress to redefine citizenship.

But the fact that this grossly nativist and legally dubious argument remains so popular among hard-line conservatives helps to explain why meaningful immigration reform legislation remains so elusive. To address the problem of undocumented immigration, the base of the Republican Party and its loudest megaphone – talk radio – want to change the Constitution, dismantle a century and a half of citizenship policy, and alter one of the fundamental notions of American identity. This, in their minds, is a practical thing to do. When pundits and centrist concern trolls ask why President Obama and the Democrats just can’t reach an immigration compromise with the Republicans, this is part of the answer. The people who vote the Republicans into power (or, in Cantor’s case, out of power) have some radical ideas when it comes to immigration reform.
 
Immigrants in the US?

It's unheard of.

I will pray that they all get amnesty and big welfare cheques, they deserve it for having to put up with all those americans.
 
Damn straight! The liberal anchor baby interpretation of the 14th is . . .

. . . based on the law of jus soli. The alternative is jus sanguinis, which has many . . . unfortunate implications. For one thing, it's the reason Turks living in Germany as "guestworkers," even after three or four generations in Germany, have had such a hard time getting naturalized. Well, that's a Euro thing -- even if naturalized they might have a hard time getting accepted as really "German" -- but America has never been committed to a blood-and-ethnicity conception of "nationhood."

Not for a long time, anyway. There was a time when America was committed to a blood-and-ethnicity conception of "nationhood" -- but the ethnicity in question was Anglo-Saxon. Our Founding Fathers were not merely white supremacists, they were Saxon supremacists, they believed English blood superior to all other. Swedes were too "swarthy" for Ben Franklin.


From The Good Shepherd:

ITALIAN-AMERICAN MOB GUY JOSEPH PALMI (JOE PESCI): "Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?"

OLD-AMERICAN-WASP-YALIE CIA AGENT EDWARD WILSON (MATT DAMON): "The United States of America. It's ours. The rest of you are just visiting."


Does anyone see any reason to regret America scrapping that attitude, as I hope we largely have by now?
 
Damn straight! The liberal anchor baby interpretation of the 14th is bullshit anyway. I posted all of the reasons why years ago. A real American President will send them home over time.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

It's only a liberal interpretation if you don't know how to read.
 
This is a woman who, in the recent past, has called for mass deportations. :eek: Imagine the economic effects . . .

We don't have to worry about that. The financial interests which control the Republican Party use politicians like Ingraham to entertain their base with unworkable solutions, but are never going to allow any of them to be implemented.

What we get is cheap migrant labor, crippled unions, and a tax code that lets corporations get a mailbox outside the country to avoid taxes. It's a great deal for them. All they had to do is threaten to deport infants and make a few fencing contractors richer than they already are.

It doesn't look like the GOP base will ever catch on.
 
BS aside, it took an act of congress to make the American Indian citizens of the United States, and they were born here.

Sort of nice of the to let the American Indians to become citizens.
Wonder why they were so nice? It is unusual.
 
BS aside, it took an act of congress to make the American Indian citizens of the United States, and they were born here.

Well, that was because:

Most of the debate on this section of the Amendment centered on whether the wording in the Civil Rights Act or Howard's proposal more effectively excluded Aboriginal Americans on reservations and in U.S. territories from citizenship. Doolittle asserted, and Senators Reverdy Johnson of Maryland and Thomas A. Hendricks of Indiana concurred, that all Native Americans are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, so that the phrase "Indians not taxed" would be preferable,[16] but Trumbull and Howard disputed this, arguing that the U.S. government did not have full jurisdiction over Native American tribes, which govern themselves and make treaties with the United States.[17][18] Moreover, they objected to the phrase "Indians not taxed" on the basis that it could be construed as making citizenship dependent on wealth and also that it would allow states to manipulate who is a citizen in their state through tax policy.[19]

Birthright citizenship

The provisions in Section 1 have been interpreted to the effect that children born on United States soil, with very few exceptions, are U.S. citizens. This type of guarantee—legally termed jus soli, or "right of the territory"— does not exist in most of Europe, Asia or the Middle East, although it is part of English common law and is common in the Americas. The phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" indicates that there are some exceptions to the universal rule that birth on U.S. soil automatically grants citizenship.[citation needed]

Two Supreme Court precedents were set by the cases of Elk v. Wilkins[20] and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[4]Elk v. Wilkins established that Native American tribes represented independent political powers with no allegiance to the United States, and that their peoples were under a special jurisdiction of the United States. Children born to these Native American tribes therefore did not automatically receive citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment if they voluntarily left their tribe.[21] Indian tribes that paid taxes were exempt from this ruling; their peoples were already citizens by an earlier act of Congress, and all non-citizen Native Americans (called "Indians") were subsequently made citizens by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.

But, that does not affect:

In Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court held that, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States[4] and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States.

That has been the law ever since 1898.
 
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No so you ignorant clown, You need to study up before shooting off your stupid mouth. If what you say is true there would have been no need for the The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe

What you and other dummies don't understand is the meaning of the terms "subject to its jurisdiction" in the 14th Amendment, which was addressed by the SCOTUS in 1884 Elk v.Wilkins, "Slaughter-House cases," which held "subject to it's jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude, "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States."

The American Indian claimant was judged to not be a citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."

Illegal aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction" of their native countries, being here illegally and not being naturalized, they have not sworn their allegiance to the United States.

:rolleyes:
 
No so you ignorant clown, You need to study up before shooting off your stupid mouth. If what you say is true there would have been no need for the The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe

What you and other dummies don't understand is the meaning of the terms "subject to its jurisdiction" in the 14th Amendment, which was addressed by the SCOTUS in 1884 Elk v.Wilkins, "Slaughter-House cases," which held "subject to it's jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude, "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States."

The American Indian claimant was judged to not be a citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."

Illegal aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction" of their native countries, being here illegally and not being naturalized, they have not sworn their allegiance to the United States.

No. If they are here, and not a foreign country's diplomats etc., they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and their children born here are citizens. That has been the law ever since 1898; see post #11. No exception has ever been carved out for those whose parents may have entered the county illegally.
 
No. If they are here, and not a foreign country's diplomats etc., they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and their children born here are citizens. That has been the law ever since 1898; see post #11. No exception has ever been carved out for those whose parents may have entered the county illegally.

Under Vette's theory, illegal immigrants aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, therefore they can't be arrested for any crimes they may commit.

I'm not sure he's thought out his position.
 
You are in error. If what you say is true there would have been no need for the The Citizens Act of 1924. Study up son.

That Act was necessary for reasons having nothing to do with your argument; see post #11.
 
Damn straight! The liberal anchor baby interpretation of the 14th is bullshit anyway. I posted all of the reasons why years ago. A real American President will send them home over time.

Who will mow your lawn if that happens ?
 
I just posted the SCOTUS rationale on the meaning of "subject too the jurisdiction" which is the operative phrase. This as well, the words of the author of the 14th Amenment, Senator Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

Yes, well, the contents of legislative discussions of a proposed bill or amendment are not binding on the courts in interpreting the application of same (they might be noted, but are not binding). What Howard says there has not been the law since 1898.
 
The fact is all people born here are not citizens, that was proven in 1929.

For reasons that apply to (some) Indians, but do not apply to resident aliens or their children.

I have posted rulings that back my argument. The truth is the present understanding of the 14th is the result of a misinterpretation of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) read up on it before posting BS.

Done; you're still wrong.

In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who

* is born in the United States

* of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power

* whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

* whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject

becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

What about this case have later courts "misinterpreted"?
 
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