Ladies Only: “I Just Wanna Get Fucked!”

[amicus]

Sighs…Allow me if you will.

I am well aware, thank you, of the raging hormones that drive both sexes in many directions.

This has a shade of difference which will take a page or so of background preparation to properly set the scene; bear with me if you will.

Once upon a time in the year 2000, I became, Amicus2K…worked for me.

I am now Amicus2K7, on a Poetry site. Seven years have passed since I began.

I had left poetry behind, twenty years before, in my college years but found a rejuvenation, who knows for what reason.

New to the Poetry site, I browsed and read ‘new poems’, and eventually prose, short stories, looking for that spark of intellect translated to fiction that tickles me so.

I began to discover that the quality pieces were predominately by young girls…here is the opportunity for all my critics to point a finger and proclaim, “Pervert!” Child Molester!”` “Predator!”, do so if you wish. Not so.

There are means by which one can single out, by age and sex, the writers…I did not, just read what pleased me and titillated me and most were young girls. That is another discussion.

So I wrote a piece, after a compilation of these young writers, called, Young Girl Genius’s on XXXXXX, the site I was subscribed to.

There were a dozen or so, more or less, girls from nine, ten and eleven and up to about fifteen, genius IQ, over 160, they all knew it and were all disturbed in many ways and they knew that also.

Well, seven years has passed, many have dropped by the wayside and the reasons are many, but a few have remained that I still communicate with, through puberty and the teen angst and the Goth and the cutting and the boys and the anguish of maturation.

Five, at last I heard are now in College, all across the country, they say, “hey, ole bear, are you still hangin’ on?” I chuckle and reply, “Yup.”

Only one remains in constant contact, perhaps the best and worst, of them all.

Eleven when I met her. Paranoid Schizophrenic, Bi-Polar, Dyslectic, Deaf during her early years, strict vegetarian for metabolic reasons, hallucinogenic, has visions, hears voices…and on and on…and I listened…as the years went by and read her poems and read her stories and pushed her, intellectually…to the limits which continually expanded.


She is a musician and an artist and into computers and website building and takes commissions for her artwork; does Poetry slams at college level, plays in a band and writes the lyrics…been doing it for years…


And she has never been kissed.

Never even held hands with a guy…or a girl…for those of you….


Has a violent aversion to being touched or touching. Hates to hear another breathe, does not, could not tolerate hearing the heartbeat of another.

Getting the picture?

I am and have been, ‘here’ for her, on Yahoo Messenger. I never buzz her, but I always respond. That is all she will tolerate. Sometimes weeks or months pass and I hear nothing from her.

That has changed of recent.


The IQ is in the 170’s, plus…depending…


Several months ago her Libido kicked in.

She fidgeted around by saying she thought she might like a little above the waist experimentation with boys. Sighs…I have five daughters and they never broached the subject with the ole man…I understood…

Then this total geek type, in baggy jeans and cumbersome sweaters, hiding her femininity, went shopping for Cami’s and Leggings and skirts….sighs…

And left behind the geeky boys with glasses and video games and went shopping for ‘shoulders’, on a guy, ahem…

Then her mother sent her to Europe for last summer and she was on her own in Paris and in Dublin, in a Pub no less, with chaperonage of course…being of a tender age…

And the Libido flared with an Irish guy and then a French guy…sighs…

But still she remained untouched…and does…to this day.

Now, a year early, not yet eighteen, she is off to college, a prestigious Art Institute.

And does not want to enter the college scene, virginal and innocent…sighs…

The last few months I have been listening to the plotting and planning of a female on the hunt, totally out of her league, with but one thing in mind; from guy to guy to guy and all the possibilities.

Which she rejected, time and time again, but the damage had been done, the word was out and tensions among the possible partners erupted in violence as a couple boys actually fought over her…sighs….

No, it didn’t happen, but something else did. College, planned for July, got bumped up to March 28th, just a week away and the shit hit the fan…so to speak.

I am always up late and always hear when someone logs on to messenger.

She came on at 3:20 a.m., my time, 4:20 her time, we are a thousand miles apart, and the screen said, “Oh, \Amicus, Please be there!!!”

“I am here…” said the faithful Ami…

“I don’t know what to do! I want to hit something, break something! I am so…ah…well, hot, I just can’t control it!”

I had broached self release, as she would not tolerate the word masturbation, I had suggested a vibrator and she said her mother would kill her. She seemed to indicate that she had found her clitoris and had massaged her breasts, all to no avail and even surprised me by saying that ‘Cybering’ with a friend, didn’t do anything for her.


Sighs…


I suggested that she was ovulating, in her most fertile time and it would pass…she said not, she was having her period…and that stumped me…ahem?

Therein is the question, if any in particular, that I pose…I thought that during menstruation, the libido was weak…Not?

Secondly…in her quest for relief, she didn’t care who it was, within certain parameters of course, she just wanted to get fucked in the best and worst way possible and that too, I do not fully understand.

She is on the Pill, is knowledgeable about the process, as smart young things are, but totally uncaring as to the source of the relief…therein is the other part of my query, the ‘mindset’ ahem, if the mind is involved at all…of such a foray…

Does that make any sense at all?


There is way more to this than I am sharing here and now…and I will be there for her, no matter what happens or does not happen, but knowing me, I am not pleased that she will enter into what I consider the most intimate of all human relationships on the basis that she is proceeding on.

Thus…what is the nature of the drive…in the female…that throws caution to the wind with the, “I just wanna get fucked” syndrome?

Anyone?

A truly curious amicus...

 

[starrkers]

Can't help on most of this, beyond saying Jesus, poor bugger! But I can confirm the horny-as-hell-during-periods part. Happens to me sometimes. Damned annoying too.
Rarely have I ever had "need to get fucked" syndrome, but then I have had a source of relief on hand for over 20 years, so it hasn't been an issue...

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=starrkers]Can't help on most of this, beyond saying Jesus, poor bugger! But I can confirm the horny-as-hell-during-periods part. Happens to me sometimes. Damned annoying too.
Rarely have I ever had "need to get fucked" syndrome, but then I have had a source of relief on hand for over 20 years, so it hasn't been an issue...[/QUOTE]

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I just find the bold print part, as the anecdotal one, not computing for me...nature must have screwed up for as I understand it, conception does not take place during menses?

what the hell do I know?

amicus...

 

[impressive]

Thus…what is the nature of the drive…in the female…that throws caution to the wind with the, “I just wanna get fucked” syndrome?

Anyone?

A truly curious amicus...

Ami, have you never felt the "need to fuck" ?



Regardless, I hope your friend finds what she needs.

 

[starrkers]

I think it's more psychological than biological - you can't get pregnant and that is precisely why the extra horny factor comes into it.
Most of the time we're not having sex to get pregnant. It's the last thing we want.

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=impressive]Ami, have you never felt the "need to fuck" ?



Regardless, I hope your friend finds what she needs.[/QUOTE]


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Way more than I like to admit..Imp...but within the confines of her parameters...never even been kissed...what is the driving mechanism that casts her fate to the wind? I just canna comprehend that...?

amicus...

 

[amicus]

starrkers]I think it's more psychological than biological - you can't get pregnant and that is precisely why the extra horny factor comes into it.
Most of the time we're not having sex to get pregnant. It's the last thing we want.

[/I]

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Still confusing to me...why does nature insist on the hornyness when procreation is not an option, forget the psychological...just not getting some factor in the equasion, just dunno what it be...

amicus...

 

[Guest]

This sounds very much like my niece, right down to the prestigious Art Institute.

Actually, she doesn't have the vast array of physical problems you've described, but everything else is right on.

For a moment I thought I was going to have to kill you, ami.

But a few thoughts?

You're someone safe to speak with. An older male, not a daddy substitute, but more of a daydreamed sort of man. It's good she can speak with someone like you, as long as that person doesn't take advantage, of course.

But hormones rage - no one can help it.

I teased a group of middle school students once (when they were snickering over something I'd said that seemed remotely sexual to 13-year-old boys) about how I'd read that they think about sex every 30 seconds.

The response from them was that no, they thought about it all of the time!

Girls are the same as boys in this area, of course. Boys become physical, pushing, shoving, rough-housing, playing sports sometimes, etc - that becomes their outlet for sexual feelings.

But girls don't usually go that route. They often do as you've seen, become very cerebral about it, writing, discussing, dreaming, artistry - creative outlets are positive ways for them to express their sexuality. At least now.

And girls do masturbate. Often. And creatively, even at young ages.

It's good that you're supportive of her. I would be leery of exchanging sexual thoughts with her, though. She may be 18, but she seems very young emotionally and socially.

 

[Guest]

Okay....

I have to agree with someone from above...
Ovulating or the time that I should be menstrating.... oh egads I would love nothing more then to be held down and just taken. I actually talked to my GYN about this and she said that there is a spike in a woman's body etc that causes this blah blah blah

In my case I have migraines that are associated with those times and it is actually recommended by her that I have intercourse or at least release for a few days before that to help ease the migraines.

However, I think it is perfectly natural for a female to have the same urge to "fuck" then guys do... it happens.... so there is really nothing wrong with it.

As to your friend and your worry:
Yes, I agree the sudden shift might be... something else but then again it might just be her finally getting slammed with the full weight of her woman horomones, growing up, wanting to feel... and wanting to be completely and utterly needed in that precise moment by another human being.

Physical contact something that is surprisingly lacking in so many that truly need it is at times the root of that sexual need.

 

[amicus]

SweetS, ElizabethT...thank you, Well que sara, sara, of course, with the young lady, this is more of an attempt to understand in general terms than it was to present her personal problems.

It was just that her desires were so intense as to set aside everything else and for her especially, it was very strange to listen to.

She even laughs at herself when the 'heat' passes and can't imagine why she is so driven.

I thought perhaps some Lit ladies might have a different take than what I have thus far gathered.

thanks again...

amicus...

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Sighs…Allow me if you will.


I began to discover that the quality pieces were predominately by young girls…here is the opportunity for all my critics to point a finger and proclaim, “Pervert!” Child Molester!”` “Predator!”, do so if you wish. Not so.

While I may tease you, and taunt you, and not share your political beliefs, I think you genuinely are a man of integrity. I would never, ever stoop to accusing you of being a Child Molester or Predator.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Thus…what is the nature of the drive…in the female…that throws caution to the wind with the, “I just wanna get fucked” syndrome?

Anyone?

A truly curious amicus...

Oh! Oh! *raises hand* This one I completely get. IMO, because your friend is such a late bloomer and does not masturbate, she thinks fucking is going to gratify that need. Unfortunately, I have news for her, it probably won't satisfy her unless she can magically come with penetration. Most women can't. Your friend needs to learn how to come first or she's going to set herself(and her future partners) up for a lot of disappointment.

I'd say she needs to get over it and masturbate, but it's easier said than done for a girl that age. I didn't have an orgasm until I was nineteen and I'd been having sex for a long time before that. I didn't think masturbation was "my thing" because of inhibitions, etc. I was looking for some perfect cock that was going to make me come during penetration and it just wasn't working. Trust me, I looked long and hard and never found it. Please, tell her that she needs to know how to satisfy herself or she may never have a fulfilling sexual relationship. I hope she doesn't take as long to figure it out as I did, because in retrospect, it's a huge waste.

 

[Pure]

I had broached self release, as she would not tolerate the word masturbation, I had suggested a vibrator and she said her mother would kill her. She seemed to indicate that she had found her clitoris and had massaged her breasts, all to no avail and even surprised me by saying that ‘Cybering’ with a friend, didn’t do anything for her.

i'm not sure why i'm uncomfortable with amicus as sexual advisor to a lonely virginal teen. presumably he's aware of the term 'jail bait.'

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to darkside
dark //I think you [amicus] genuinely are a man of integrity.//

evidence? postings to an internet forum?

dark, without singling out ami, how can you be reasonably certain of anyone's 'integrity' without in-person, extended dealings?

 

[drksideofthemoon]

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to darkside
dark //I think you [amicus] genuinely are a man of integrity.//

evidence? postings to an internet forum?

dark, without singling out ami, how can you be reasonably certain of anyone's 'integrity' without in-person, extended dealings?

Well, that's true. Even with in-person, face to face dealings, you can never be sure what lurks inside of a person.

 

[Pure]

assuming a man of 60 is not a relative, teacher, cop, social worker, shrink, but just joe layperson who aquaints himself with ms X, 17 on the net, she being mentally competent...

*in your view* ...

would it evidence 'lack of integrity' on the man's part if he fucked said 17 year old, at her express, freely and voluntarily offered invitation? ** (i.e. no money, no coercion, threats, inducements).

for teaching purposes only, of course. not gratification.

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**assume that the 'age of consent' law in her state, where the event occurs, is 16.

 

[Tom Collins]

[/I]

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Still confusing to me...why does nature insist on the hornyness when procreation is not an option, forget the psychological...just not getting some factor in the equasion, just dunno what it be...

amicus...

I, too, can confirm the "desperate to fuck" feeling while mensing. It doesn't happen every time, but enough of the time that it's not a coincidence.

I suspect that there are two factors at work here.

One: For a lot of women, me included, an orgasm will go a long way to easing the cramping and discomfort durring the worst part of the period. I think the unconcious mind is fully aware of this and tries to encourage you to have one by making you horny.

Two: I suspect this might be a hold over from the time when we still went into heat, rather than being constantly fertal. When an animal is in heat she's desperate for a fucking and I think that not all of that anchient drive has been expunged. Think about it, in the scheme of things, our procreative cycle hasn't been as it is currently for all that long. We've still got vestigial organs, why not vestigial reproductive drives?

 

[Pure]

except that menstruation and 'going into heat' are rather different processes, in respect of function, outcome, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrous_cycle

"Estrous cycle" [...]

Differences from the menstrual cycle

Mammals share the same reproductive system, including the regulatory hypothalamic system that releases gonadotropin releasing hormone in pulses, the pituitary that secretes follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone, and the sex hormones including estrogens and progesterone. However, species vary significantly in the detailed functioning. One difference is that animals that have estrous cycles reabsorb the endometrium if conception does not occur during that cycle. Animals that have menstrual cycles shed the endometrium through menstruation instead.

Another difference is sexual activity. In species with estrous cycles, females are generally only sexually active during the estrous phase of their cycle (see below for an explanation of the different phases in an estrous cycle). This is also referred to as being "in heat." In contrast, females of species with menstrual cycles can be sexually active at any time in their cycle, even when they are not about to ovulate. Humans, unlike some other species, do not have any obvious external signs to signal receptivity at ovulation (concealed ovulation). Research has shown however, that women tend to have more sexual thoughts and are most prone to sexual activity right before ovulation.[1]

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=OhMissScarlett]Oh! Oh! *raises hand* This one I completely get. IMO, because your friend is such a late bloomer and does not masturbate, she thinks fucking is going to gratify that need. Unfortunately, I have news for her, it probably won't satisfy her unless she can magically come with penetration. Most women can't. Your friend needs to learn how to come first or she's going to set herself(and her future partners) up for a lot of disappointment.

I'd say she needs to get over it and masturbate, but it's easier said than done for a girl that age. I didn't have an orgasm until I was nineteen and I'd been having sex for a long time before that. I didn't think masturbation was "my thing" because of inhibitions, etc. I was looking for some perfect cock that was going to make me come during penetration and it just wasn't working. Trust me, I looked long and hard and never found it. Please, tell her that she needs to know how to satisfy herself or she may never have a fulfilling sexual relationship. I hope she doesn't take as long to figure it out as I did, because in retrospect, it's a huge waste.[/QUOTE]


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Thank you OhmissScarlett...pretty much my thoughts also and nice to have it confirmed...

Amicus

 

[amicus]

I, too, can confirm the "desperate to fuck" feeling while mensing. It doesn't happen every time, but enough of the time that it's not a coincidence.

I suspect that there are two factors at work here.

One: For a lot of women, me included, an orgasm will go a long way to easing the cramping and discomfort durring the worst part of the period. I think the unconcious mind is fully aware of this and tries to encourage you to have one by making you horny.

Two: I suspect this might be a hold over from the time when we still went into heat, rather than being constantly fertal. When an animal is in heat she's desperate for a fucking and I think that not all of that anchient drive has been expunged. Think about it, in the scheme of things, our procreative cycle hasn't been as it is currently for all that long. We've still got vestigial organs, why not vestigial reproductive drives?

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Yet another aspect to consider, interesting...

Thank you

Amicus

 

[Tom Collins]

except that menstruation and 'going into heat' are rather different processes, in respect of function, outcome, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrous_cycle

"Estrous cycle" [...]

Differences from the menstrual cycle

Mammals share the same reproductive system, including the regulatory hypothalamic system that releases gonadotropin releasing hormone in pulses, the pituitary that secretes follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone, and the sex hormones including estrogens and progesterone. However, species vary significantly in the detailed functioning. One difference is that animals that have estrous cycles reabsorb the endometrium if conception does not occur during that cycle. Animals that have menstrual cycles shed the endometrium through menstruation instead.

Another difference is sexual activity. In species with estrous cycles, females are generally only sexually active during the estrous phase of their cycle (see below for an explanation of the different phases in an estrous cycle). This is also referred to as being "in heat." In contrast, females of species with menstrual cycles can be sexually active at any time in their cycle, even when they are not about to ovulate. Humans, unlike some other species, do not have any obvious external signs to signal receptivity at ovulation (concealed ovulation). Research has shown however, that women tend to have more sexual thoughts and are most prone to sexual activity right before ovulation.[1]

I didn't say they were the same thing. I said it could be a vestigial response left over from a time when our reproductive cycle was still the same as other mammals'.

 

[shereads]

Sweetsub's comments struck a chord. Boys and girls both experience that rush of hormones that can be so frustrating for a kid. Your body is telling you to go for it; your brain is exerting what little influence it has at 13-ish, urging you to wait. You might not even be sure what you're waiting for - wisdom? your 18th birthday? marriage or some other way to placate God/your parents/your own guilt?

For me, I think it was mostly the absence of a partner who really attracted me. I was the only virgin in my college freshman dorm (or the only one who'd admit it) and while I liked to believe I was making a moral decision to postpone sex (I was raised in the Baptist Church), looking back I know it had more to do with the fact that I simply hadn't met anyone I wanted badly enough to take the risk. The first time is a risky step in a lot of ways: Will you disappoint your partner? Will it hurt? If it hurts, will you humiliate both of you by making him stop? If you go through with it, will you be consumed with guilt afterward? Will it turn out that there really is a disapproving God, and that now you've seriously pissed Him off? Will your parents see the guilt on your face?

And of course, there are the practical considerations, which are really matters of life and death: If you - the female, happen to have a condom in your purse, you risk shattering the romantic notion that you are the sweetly reluctant seduce-ee who hadn't intended to have sex, but just couldn't put it off any longer in the face of his manly attractions. It will be less awkward, asking him to use a condom - but what if he doesn't like them, and makes you some bogus promise that he'll 'pull out' on time? Will you have the self-control to refuse, now that you're already naked? And what he uses a condom and the damn thing breaks?

With all those questions hanging over my head, I'd have had to meet someone who inspired serious Lust before I'd take the big step. Boys my own age didn't attract me. In fact, for a long time after my first tongue-kiss, I thought I must be a lesbian. Why else would I be the only girl alive who was utterly repulsed when my date plunged his bologne-sandwich-flavored tongue down my throat and proceeded to sandpaper my tonsils?

So I remained the only virgin in South Carolina until I entered the workplace and discovered something wonderful: Men, the Quality Alternative to Boys. Even their tongues were more mature!

Until then, I was in quite a fix. Through four years of college, sitting around with my dorm-mates as they exchanged stories of their sexual escapades, taking turns reading the Penthouse Letters aloud while we did our manicures...all I could do was hope the future would find me more tongue-friendly, and wish for the elusive cure for my frustrated needs.

The more Penthouse Letters we read, the more urgently I wanted to get fuck*d. But I didn't know anybody I trusted to get the job done right.

Like Sarah said, if I'd been a boy in the same state of frustration, I might have found physical outlets, like picking fights at keg parties. Instead, I had a rich fantasy life and even wrote some of it down. If there had been an internet, I'd have no doubt fallen into cyber relationships and might have ended up as a cautionary tale on Dateline NBC. I imagine I'd have wanted to appear more sophisticated than I was, so I'd have tossed around the f-word as if I coupled at every opportunity. It would have been a lie.

 

[Alexandra1979]

Sometimes we gals just want to get fucked, sir. We have hormones, too, and not all of us have as low of libidoes as others. Some are equal or higher than our SOs at times. And if we don't have SOs, that doesn't mean that we've taken vows of chastity, any more than you guys have.

 

[amicus]

Thank you SheReads, nicely said and germane.

Much of what you said, I found a polite way of bringing to her attention as she was actually having a conversation with a 'sex buddy', who was chosen to perform the act. Apparently they discussed all they knew about the subject, both without any experience at all. Fortunately, or unfortunately, another old male friend of hers, same age, also knew and beat the hell out of the 'sex buddy', before consumation.

Such is the life of raging hormones.

I tried not to moralize in terms of chastity until marriage as I am not certain I hold that as firmly as I once did. My first wife and I, a hundred years ago, were both inexperienced and in looking back, I surmise it might have been a better experience had I known what the hell I was doing and how to 'please' a woman or a non reluctant virgin.

There is also somewhat of a conflict in her aspirations to find a lover her equal, intellectually (tough to do with a 170 IQ), artistically and temperamentally. The rude awareness that her Libido drove her to 'cute' and 'shoulders', was almost traumatic to her, if that makes sense to anyone.

I suspect, although I cannot know, that she will become a career 'driven' woman, not seeking permanent or meaningful relationships that might interfere with her pursuit of art, rather just a partner occasionally to relieve her tensions.

And, that partner may well be a same sex partner as she has hinted along those lines, but not yet experimented.

Knowing my views on such things, you might understand the reluctance I had to even discuss such long term possibilities; besides that, we have done nothing but argue every subject for almost seven years now and, like many, she has become somewhat of a 'flaming' Liberal in her social and political views.

Thus any conversation about morals and ethics, to her, is all a matter of opinion as she has been immersed in subjective relativism without even knowing it.

It has been an interesting journey of discovery with her and I am hesitant to predict what lies just over the horizon.

Thank you again, SheR....a pleasure.


amicus...

 

[amicus]

Alexandra1979]Sometimes we gals just want to get fucked, sir. We have hormones, too, and not all of us have as low of libidoes as others. Some are equal or higher than our SOs at times. And if we don't have SOs, that doesn't mean that we've taken vows of chastity, any more than you guys have.

[/I]

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Hello Alexandra1979...welcome to the forum.

I don't doubt anything you said, but to paraphrase, SheReads, I think, it seems a female has many more risks if she follows her Libido and goes for it.

So while a guy can go tomcatting with few regrets or concerns, a gal...well...throw caution to the wind perhaps?

I brought this thread on because there are things I do not comprehend in the mating game we all play and I thought perhaps the ladies of Lit might pave my path with walkable stones here and there.

thank you...


amicus...

 

[shereads]

I tried not to moralize in terms of chastity until marriage as I am not certain I hold that as firmly as I once did. My first wife and I, a hundred years ago, were both inexperienced and in looking back, I surmise it might have been a better experience had I known what the hell I was doing and how to 'please' a woman or a non reluctant virgin.

Only with a few practice sessions can any couple know how well-matched they are in the libido department, or whether the chemistry they feel will outlast the initial novelty. That's why I'm against chastity before marriage: it can lead to chastity within marriage. Bummer.