Kurt Cobain was pretty cool

[Weevil]

I'm reminded of that fact whenever I hear one of his more mellow tracks.

and then I get all depressed.

But then I remember that we still have Snoop and Dre and I'm happy again.

 

[freakygirl]

Kurt was an amazing man.. despite his problems

I miss him alot.. not his music.. The individual named Kurt, that I knew in the late 70's early 80's is who I miss..

 

[Problem Child]

Anyone that has as much going for them as he did and puts a shotgun in their mouth is a jerk.

Edit: two women have shown me I was temporarily insane when I posted this, but I have no intention of killing myself.

 

[freakygirl]

Anyone that has as much going for them as he did and puts a shotgun in their mouth is a jerk.

PC..Normally I wouldn't argue this point.. except I knew him before he had much going for him..

His life was not good from the beginning.. Kurt didn't want the fame and the fortune. He loved his music.. it all happened to fast for him.

But yes, what he did.. the way he did it was wrong..

 

[Problem Child]

You knew Kurt Cobain personally?

What I meant was it was a jerk thing to do. He was obviously so talented. And he may have had problems, demons, but suicide should have been number 10,000 on his list of options.

He had money, he had connections, he had people watching out for him. He could have gone into rehab, he could have stopped recording and went to live in Bali if the pain was so bad. Instead he chose to medicate himself and when that didn't work he took the cowards way out.

It's just a huge shame because the guy made so many people happy with his music. Suicide is never an option, in my opinion.

 

[alexandraaah]

You knew Kurt Cobain personally?

What I meant was it was a jerk thing to do.

It's just a huge shame because the guy made so many people happy with his music. Suicide is never an option, in my opinion.

People who commit suicide are not in their right minds. It's not a rational decision.

 

[Problem Child]

People who commit suicide are not in their right minds. It's not a rational decision.

Are you saying everyone that commits suicide is mentally ill?

 

[alexandraaah]

Are you saying everyone that commits suicide is mentally ill?

No. I'm saying that everyone who commits suicide is either:

1) not really meaning to do it but randomly succeeds...small population.
2) mentally ill.
3) having an episode of some kind, be it a psychotic break or a depressive period, but doesn't have a formal diagnosis.
4) on drugs...which clinicians would call a substance-induced psychosis, therefore is a form of mental illness, even if it isn't organic.

 

[freakygirl]

Yes, I knew him and Krist Novoselic personally..

Kurt lived with us off and on for about a year.. between living under the bridge and living with his aunt and uncle who used to live in the same town as I do. Kurt was born and raised in a town only a few miles from me.

I first met him when he was about 14, and I was 12 or so. My brother and his cousin, Leslie were "dating". Kurt needed a place to stay during the winter, and our house being known as the local "kids in trouble" place to go..is where he ended up.

I remember sitting and listening to him play his guitar and making up songs as he went along.

Even then he wasn't "normal" he was very depressed and very rebellious after his parents divorced. (He never felt loved by his parents..and was shuttled between family and friends from about the age of 7).


Kurt never reached out to help.. he was friendly.. but not outgoing. He was beat up by "jocks" in high school.. because of his outlandishness..

The Kurt I remember.. was a very loving individual.. but wasn't able to show it. I do believe he had some very serious issues that were not handled correctly when he was a child. (I won't get into to much family history, as this is a public forum and it wouldn't be appropriate.)

Kurt was never comfortable with the fame and fortune (nor the money). He prefered to shop in second hand stores.. and eat at the cheap restaurants.

 

[Problem Child]

So, basically they are either mentally ill, or temporarily insane, mentally ill, however you want to term it.

I suppose that's true to one extent or another. My mind just can't grasp how a person with so many other ways out would want to off themselves.

Like the guy who was very high up at Enron and killed himself a couple of weeks after it all came out. Why do that? I mean, he was probably worth half a billion dollars. He could have taken his family and lived comfortably in South America, or France, or Fiji. But instead he offs himself and leaves his kids fatherless.

Guilt is a bitch, but why not spend your life trying to improve somebody else's life? Why not go to Paraguay and build a kick-ass hospital to try and atone for all the money you ripped off from your shareholders? Why not move to Africa and feed some starving folks with your millions.

I just can't get past the selfishness of it.

 

[freakygirl]

Another Kurt memory

Him, my brother, my best friends, me, Buzz Osborne (from the band Melvins), and 2 of my brothers friends.. at 6am playing the board game Risk and reading stolen Playboy (from dads stash) magazines.



the fun we had..

 

[alexandraaah]

So, basically they are either mentally ill, or temporarily insane, mentally ill, however you want to term it.

Yes, I suppose that's the extent of it.

Like the guy who was very high up at Enron and killed himself a couple of weeks after it all came out. Why do that? I mean, he was probably worth half a billion dollars. He could have taken his family and lived comfortably in South America, or France, or Fiji. But instead he offs himself and leaves his kids fatherless.

Guilt is a bitch, but why not spend your life trying to improve somebody else's life? Why not go to Paraguay and build a kick-ass hospital to try and atone for all the money you ripped off from your shareholders? Why not move to Africa and feed some starving folks with your millions.

If we could live our lives through the perspective of others, the world might be a more blissful place. I think we all know how easy it is to get so consumed by our own situation that we can no longer see it for the truth, rather we see what our brain has cultivated us to see. Such intense stress and imminent bad publicity could easily drive someone to a break from reality.

I just can't get past the selfishness of it.

I realize how easily it seems this way, and if you're using selfish in simplest terms then I suppose it's so. However, someone in such a situation is often times unable to think of anyone else.

PC-people don't choose a fate where they are so miserable (and I'm not talking about attention-seekers). If given the choice to be happy and healthy vs. psychotic or depressed, it's an obvious choice. When you think of it as being selfish, consider how utterly fucking desolate and deluded they must feel to even consider such an act.

 

[freakygirl]

PC

I agree with you to a point.. Kurts way "out" was a chicken shit thing to do.. he was a chicken..but it was the only way he knew to get out. His mind was.. Fucked up. He was like that from the time I remember him.

His music was always his way out before.. something happened.. he lost control of his music. The worst thing that ever happened was him getting famous. He wasn't capable of handling it. In his mind he was still that little outlandish geeky boy from Hoquiam/Aberdeen Washington. He wasn't ready for what he got.

All he ever wanted was to go back to Hoquiam/Aberdeen and be that little boy that lived under a bridge alone. He was his happiest when he was making up songs.. and writing music, but he never liked being the center of attention. Why he ever got into the public scene will never be known. It wasn't his thing..

 

[Problem Child]

draaah, I see what you're talking about. How can you expect crazy people to do sane things, even if they're only temporarily crazy?


I don't understand it, but I do, you know?

FG, sorry you lost a friend.

 

[*bratcat*]

 

[alexandraaah]

draaah, I see what you're talking about. How can you expect crazy people to do sane things, even if they're only temporarily crazy?
I don't understand it, but I do, you know?

Exactly. And I'm glad for you that you can't relate to it...it's insufferable for most. At some point you'll probably meet or know someone who has battled severe depression, been catatonic, or even had one episode where they were psychotic for whatever reason. Hear their story and your empathy is likely to increase tenfold. It's sad. It's hard not to have expectations of someone who appears to have everything.

In short, it's like telling someone who is paralyzed to just, "get up and walk."

 

[teresafannin]

My son and I used to have huge discussions about Kurt Cobain. Justin admired his music very much & at times when Justin felt down about things, he felt that Kurt somehow understood. I only thought that his death was such a waste of his talent & didn't really know much about him. One of the people that Justin always wanted to meet was Kurt & now I like to think that he has. Freakygurl, thank you for telling us a bit about the Kurt you knew. It makes him seem a little bit more real.

 

[Problem Child]

In short, it's like telling someone who is paralyzed to just, "get up and walk."

Lazy fuckers. If they would just try harder...





Kidding. I'm kidding.

 

[freakygirl]

My son and I used to have huge discussions about Kurt Cobain. Justin admired his music very much & at times when Justin felt down about things, he felt that Kurt somehow understood. I only thought that his death was such a waste of his talent & didn't really know much about him. One of the people that Justin always wanted to meet was Kurt & now I like to think that he has. Freakygurl, thank you for telling us a bit about the Kurt you knew. It makes him seem a little bit more real.

Teresafannin... You are welcome.. Dusting off the ole memories of him has been a downer.. and an upper at the same time.



PC.. and thank you.

 

[alexandraaah]

Lazy fuckers. If they would just try harder...

Kidding. I'm kidding.

It's cool...you had to absolve yourself of the serious conversation.

We'll chalk it up to a moment of weakness.


FG--I'm sorry you lost someone you cared for. Life hands out such unfair shit sometimes.

 

[teresafannin]

I totally understand, Freakygurl I don't know if it helps any, but I like to think that Kurt is still making music & Justin is working the sound board.