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Virtual_Burlesque

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9/11 Panel Finds No Collaboration
Between Iraq, Al Qaeda


The terrorist attacks carried out on Sept. 11, 2001, were originally envisioned as an even more spectacular assault involving 10 jetliners on the east and west coasts, but the plan was scaled back and was nearly derailed on several occasions by setbacks and squabbling among senior al Qaeda officials, according to a new report released this morning. .....

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Grim Numbers
A U.S.-sponsored poll shows Iraqis... want
Coalition troops out of the country ‘immediately’


June 15 - The first survey of Iraqis sponsored by the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority after the Abu Ghraib prison scandal shows that most say they would feel safer if Coalition forces left immediately, without even waiting for elections scheduled for next year. An overwhelming majority, about 80 percent, also say they have “no confidence” in either the U.S. civilian authorities or coalition forces.

Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed also said they believed violent attacks have increased around the country because “people have lost faith in the coalition forces.”
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According to the poll, a mere one percent of Iraqis now feel that the coalition forces contribute most to their sense of security; only 18 percent described Iraqi police the same way. By contrast, a total of 71 percent said they depended mostly on their family and friends and neighbors for security.

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And just to keep things interesting:


Calling fries fresh veggies half-baked.

By Andrew Martin Washington Bureau
Tue Jun 15, 2994


French fries may be the bane of low-carb diets and obesity foes, but the U.S. Department of Agriculture and a federal judge in Texas have another name for the popular food: fresh vegetable.

U.S. District Judge Richard Schell last week endorsed little-noticed changes by the USDA to federal regulations that govern what defines a fresh vegetable. The changes were made at the behest of the french-fry industry, which has spent the past five decades pushing for revisions to the Perishable Agricultural Commodities Act.

Known as PACA, the law was passed by Congress in 1930 to protect fruit and vegetable farmers in the event that their customers went out of business without paying for their produce.

Under an obscure USDA rule, most frozen french fries have been considered fresh vegetables since 1996. Now they all are, under a revision last year that added batter-coated, frozen french fries to the list of fresh produce.

In his ruling last week in a lawsuit that challenged the designation, Schell sided with the USDA argument that the PACA law is so ambiguous on the definition of fresh fruits and vegetables that it should be left to the agency to define what it means.

The Frozen Potato Products Institute appealed to the USDA in 2000 to change its definition of fresh produce under the law to include batter-coated, frozen french fries, arguing that rolling potato slices in a starch coating, frying them and freezing them is the equivalent of waxing a cucumber or sweetening a strawberry.

The USDA agreed and, on June 2, 2003, amended its PACA rules to include what is described in court documents as the "Batter-Coating Rule."

Tim Elliott, a Chicago attorney who recently challenged the revision in a Texas federal courtroom on behalf of a bankrupt food distributor, said defining french fries as fresh vegetables defies common sense.

"I find it pretty outrageous, really," said Elliott, who argues that the Batter-Coating Rule is so vague that chocolate-covered cherries, packed in a candy box, would qualify as fresh fruit.

"This is something that only lawyers could do," he said, pointing to a stack of legal documents debating the french-fry rule change.


"There must be 100 pages there about something you could summarize in one paragraph: batter-coated french fries are not fresh vegetables."

Among the documents cited in the lawsuit is a patent from french-fry maker Lamb Weston on how to make batter-coated fries, including direction that the potatoes be coated with an "aqueous starch enrobing slurry."

"Fresh vegetables are not typically associated with `aqueous starch enrobing slurries,'" Elliott wrote in court documents.

However, in a ruling released last week, Schell sided with the USDA.

"PACA does not define the term `fresh vegetables,'" the judge wrote.


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From Paintball Practice to Prison:
A Look At One of The Most Controversial Terrorism Cases in the Country

Wednesday, June 16th, 2004


In Virginia, a judge sentenced three men to prison Tuesday, including one to life and another to 85 years, on terrorism charges connected to a game of paintball. But the sentence is coming under intense criticism – from the judge herself who described the sentence as "appalling" and "Draconian." We talk to one of the defendant’s attorneys who says the ruling marks "the greatest miscarriage of justice of any case" he has ever seen. [Includes transcript] In Virginia, three Muslim men were sentenced to up to life in prison after the government accused the men of training for holy war abroad by playing paintball games in the Virginia woods. One man was sentenced to life. Another to 85 years and the third got eight years. The men were accused of being connected to the Pakistani group Lashkar-i-Taiba which is trying to drive India from the disputed region of Kashmir.

In an unusual development, the judge in the case, U.S. District Court Judge Lonnie Brinkema, called the lengthy sentences "appalling" and "draconian" but said she had no choice under federal law. She said "We have murderers who get far less time. I've sent Al Qaeda members planning attacks on these shores to less time. This is sticking in my craw. Law and justice at times need to be in tune."

One of the defendant's attorneys called the sentence "the greatest miscarriage of justice of any case" he has been involved in 34 years of practice.


* John Zwerling, attorney based in Alexandria Virginia. He represented Seifullah Chapman in the Virginia Paintball case. His client was sentenced on Tuesday to 85 years in jail.


* David Cole, Washington-based constitutional attorney, professor at Georgetown Law School and author of the book "Enemy Aliens: Double Standards and Constitutional Freedom in the War on Terrorism."

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Decmocracy Now!
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
From Paintball Practice to Prison:
A Look At One of The Most Controversial Terrorism Cases in the Country

Wednesday, June 16th, 2004


In Virginia, a judge sentenced three men to prison Tuesday, including one to life and another to 85 years, on terrorism charges connected to a game of paintball. But the sentence is coming under intense criticism – from the judge herself who described the sentence as "appalling" and "Draconian." We talk to one of the defendant’s attorneys who says the ruling marks "the greatest miscarriage of justice of any case" he has ever seen. [Includes transcript] In Virginia, three Muslim men were sentenced to up to life in prison after the government accused the men of training for holy war abroad by playing paintball games in the Virginia woods. One man was sentenced to life. Another to 85 years and the third got eight years. The men were accused of being connected to the Pakistani group Lashkar-i-Taiba which is trying to drive India from the disputed region of Kashmir.

In an unusual development, the judge in the case, U.S. District Court Judge Lonnie Brinkema, called the lengthy sentences "appalling" and "draconian" but said she had no choice under federal law. She said "We have murderers who get far less time. I've sent Al Qaeda members planning attacks on these shores to less time. This is sticking in my craw. Law and justice at times need to be in tune."

One of the defendant's attorneys called the sentence "the greatest miscarriage of justice of any case" he has been involved in 34 years of practice.


* John Zwerling, attorney based in Alexandria Virginia. He represented Seifullah Chapman in the Virginia Paintball case. His client was sentenced on Tuesday to 85 years in jail.


* David Cole, Washington-based constitutional attorney, professor at Georgetown Law School and author of the book "Enemy Aliens: Double Standards and Constitutional Freedom in the War on Terrorism."

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Decmocracy Now!



quietly sobbing in the corner. going to bed now. I think I've reached my full capacity for hating this administration and everything they stand for.
 
VB: That's satire, right? Right?! Ok, I'm scared.

Related question: Ok, assume that the cours was right... They were playing paintball, with the intent to privately train themselves for armed combat. In an official warzone. In Kashmir in India, by all standards and resolutions occupied and disputed land.

Ten years ago that would be called guerilla warfare. No mention of blowing themselves up or hijacking airplanes. Why is e v e r y t h i n g all of a sudden classified as terrorism?

Not supporting anyone who wants to kill people, just saying that there must be a difference somehow. The overuse of that word is beginning to wear it out.

#L
 
Liar said:
VB: That's satire, right?... Why is e v e r y t h i n g all of a sudden classified as terrorism?...
A couple of months ago Joe hired a new bartender. The guy had once held an important position in a corporation, pointed out as someone‘going places.’

One day the guy was reported by a fellow worker for downloading ‘porn’ at work.

As it happened, it was after hours, but he was at work. The ‘pornography’ was publicity stills of a Hollywood actress, from a fan site. Others employees had ‘harder’ pictures as wallpaper on their computers.

Once, the materials had been branded as ‘pornographic’ they became indefensible, nor would anyone look to judge for themselves. The poor schmuck was slow-tracked, while the fellow who had turned him in got his promotion.

After a month as persona non gratis, recognizing that he would never get another break, he quit to join another firm. The story of how he had downloaded ‘porn’ at work followed him, and he could never get a similar job in any other business.

Authority it seems likes these self-authenticating descriptions. It saves them so much time and trouble having to prove guilt.


(Okay, that was HIS story, but he didn't strike me as a perve.)
 
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