Kinky photo shoots of someone you know

[soccerx50]

I do photography and have always done shoot that were a little more kinky than your average boudoir shoots. Recently I've step it up a notch. I find men that want to see someone they know naked: stepmoms, boss, ex gf whatever. I then approach that person and tell them someone is sponsoring them to do a photo shoot with me. Of course they often have a lot of questions, at the least they are often flattered by the offer. Sometimes the answer is no other times it's yes. I leave it up to the guy how much they want to offer the person for the shoot based on what they accept.

 

[AnnieLit]

If you are in the States, I am not sure this is exactly legal. No matter who pays for the shoot, still your client is the person in front of the camera. Which means that you can't share their images without a full model release. Do you have the releases?

 

[soccerx50]

I am 100% sure it's fully legal. The model signs my release exchanging the pictures she is posing for to the sponsor of the photo shoot, knowing full well she won't know who that could be. It would only be illegal if I was using her pics without her permission.

 

[KentBloke]

As a photographer, I agree about the legality of your enterprise. The same legal structure works here as well and, as copyright owner, you are free to do what you want with the photographs.
From an ethical pint of view, I see some very dark grey edges to what you are doing. How do you control what the person sponsoring the shoot does with the images? Do you have legally binding contracts with the prohibiting them from posting what they want on the Web? Model release signed by the "model" or not, you could be sued in the event that naked pictures of a prominent female lawyer, for example, hit the web and she is fired for posing nude.

 

[AnnieLit]

As a photographer, I agree about the legality of your enterprise. The same legal structure works here as well and, as copyright owner, you are free to do what you want with the photographs.
From an ethical pint of view, I see some very dark grey edges to what you are doing. How do you control what the person sponsoring the shoot does with the images? Do you have legally binding contracts with the prohibiting them from posting what they want on the Web? Model release signed by the "model" or not, you could be sued in the event that naked pictures of a prominent female lawyer, for example, hit the web and she is fired for posing nude.

Prominent females lawyers know that all too well and most likely not only not sign a model release, but will not be photographed in this way to begin with.

 

[KentBloke]

OK... so that was a bad example... but the potential for damage and legal issues is nevertheless a "clear and present" danger

 

[KentBloke]

And, for the record, I did a private album/nude shoot for a senior partner in a London law firm about 5 years ago... and she was the one who explained the legal consequences of not abiding by my side of the contract!!
Having said that, she was delighted with the results and contacted me a few months later to do another shoot with her girlfriend!

 

[AnnieLit]

And, for the record, I did a private album/nude shoot for a senior partner in a London law firm about 5 years ago... and she was the one who explained the legal consequences of not abiding by my side of the contract!!
Having said that, she was delighted with the results and contacted me a few months later to do another shoot with her girlfriend!

I am also a photographer and shoot boudoir/nude/kink.
I had a few high end clients where going public would be very bed for them. With one couple it was "nothing ever goes online" - all files went from card to my computer, edited, transferred to a flash drive, delivered. No cloud backups, no online gallery deliveries. With another they wanted prints (an album), but we printed in Europe with US delivery to minimize the chance that somebody would recognize them.

But I would never approach a woman with an offer to pay her for intimate photos. I mean, unless I am posting a model call, but that's different. What the OP is doing is way too close to solicitation.

 

[KentBloke]

I agree absolutely! The potential damage if the sponsor released those images to the Internet would be devastating for the people in the shots but also to the reputation of the photographer.
The intimate/couple shoots I have done, in some cases, were done on a memory card they supplied and were edited (where required) on my laptop in their hotel room. Afterwards, any backup or original files saved to the laptop were deleted in front of them and the recycle bin emptied by one of them. There were always some shots that we agreed I could keep for my portfolio but there were never faces on those shots... only body parts or backs! After that, I got paid for my work and that was that - except for one couple who did three more shoots the same way. I started in the 80s and have not failed a client yet!
Mind you, like me, I bet you have seen a few things you wish you could "unsee" LOL

 

[AnnieLit]

Mind you, like me, I bet you have seen a few things you wish you could "unsee" LOL

Not really... I am pretty good with having people play by my rules. We talk before the shoot, discuss exactly what kinks they want to explore. And if it something that I don't feel comfortable with for whatever reason (most often safety), I refer them out. I use a rather extensive BDSM list, like the ones new partners use when getting to know each other, they mark there what they definitely need to do, what they would like to so, and what is a maybe for them. If one of my limits (photo limits, not a personal one) happens to be picked, we talk about it. Sometimes they agree with me when I explain why air play is absolutely not going to happen in my studio. Sometimes they don't and go on their merry way to find someone better suited for their needs. And if they agree with me but still go where they shouldn't, I am absolutely prepared to kick them out mid shoot. It probably shows as nobody tried

 

[KentBloke]

I have done the same as I sometimes shoot on my own home. I have been surprised by the reactions of some couples when I explain that "No... you cannot do that in my home!"
Most are OK with the limits but there have been couples who decided to walk away.

 

[soccerx50]

This conversation got very derailed and started talking about legalities. There is nothing illegal here. The model is explained to in details she is being paid for pictures and they could end up anywhere with anybody.

I agree most people will say, "I don't want them online" but some will be convinced otherwise if there's cash compensation.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Sounds like wank fodder to me.

If real, it IS definitely flirting with the line of solicitation. It is definitely in the gray area of legality and certainly inadvisable.

 

[MysteriousRyu]

This conversation got very derailed and started talking about legalities. There is nothing illegal here. The model is explained to in details she is being paid for pictures and they could end up anywhere with anybody.

I agree most people will say, "I don't want them online" but some will be convinced otherwise if there's cash compensation.

No based on how your post started I highly doubt you ever got consent and are not a "photographer". You're an opportunist who peddles smut and this post is in bad taste. Stop mansplaining and trying to justify posting content without other's consent and masquerading it as a kink.

 

[AnnieLit]

This conversation got very derailed and started talking about legalities. There is nothing illegal here. The model is explained to in details she is being paid for pictures and they could end up anywhere with anybody.

I agree most people will say, "I don't want them online" but some will be convinced otherwise if there's cash compensation.

The fact of you approaching her with this proposition is questionable in itself. It becomes kink only if she says yes, but you know nothing about this woman, so more than likely that she will not only say no, but also will get offended by the offer. Either by the fact that it was offered to her, or by the idea of being paid for it. Believe it or not, but most women don't dream of becoming prostitutes and this comes way too close.

The second problem is what will happen if the guy that pays you is her boss and he uses these images to pressure her into doing something that she doesn't want to? If this gets out and there is a lawsuit, you will be dragged in as a party that enabled abuse. Maybe you will be liable, maybe not, but you will be involved.