Kinky Mediaeval Divorce Court - non-fiction!

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Yesterday, I was listening to a BBC radio 4 programme called 'Document'. On this show, they unearth a old document, and discuss the events that surrounded it with various historical experts. This week it was really freaking good.

They found a lawsuit from 1433, seeking a Church marriage annulment. It was pressed by a 26 year old woman against her impotent husband. Under the rules of the Church, a woman could annul a marriage if the husband couldn't consummate it.

But the Church knew that people used this rule as a trick to get a divorce, and divorces were forbidden.

So the woman had to PROVE impotence on the part of her husband John. She pulled this off by having 8 women retire with him to a chamber where they plied him with food and drink, and then proceeded to relieve him of his britches.

According to the recorded testimony of the women, the women warmed their hands before the fire, and then tweaked and tormented poor John's testicles and penis, telling him 'Show us you're a man!'. Eventually, some of them stripped - still no luck. His willie just hung there, 'not more than three inches in length'. Finally, they pushed him down on the bed and one of the semi-naked women jumped on him. Alas, no systems go. So they left him in disgust, and reported their findings to the court.

The radio presenter interviewed various 'experts' to discuss the case. One was a modern marriage counsellor who expressed his outrage at John's treatment and said that in modern times John would have been treated with therapy sessions and maybe a bit of Viagra. Various historians speculated whether the women involved were prostitutes or the local branch of some type of official Church examination committee. And they even interviewed 'Britain's most famous madam', who said that using eight women was far too intimidating for poor John, and said that she would have used just two. John was probably a heavy 6 footer, madam said, because small skinny guys just can't be stopped.

Altogether hilarious. In France, the rules were even harsher, and the couple would be forced to attempt to copulate in front of a group of Church magistrates.

For anyone with more kinky and unconventional tastes in the erotic, these mediaeval practices should provide ample material for a historically accurate but deliciously perverse story.
 
EarnestImp said:
Yesterday, I was listening to a BBC radio 4 programme called 'Document' ... For anyone with more kinky and unconventional tastes in the erotic, these mediaeval practices should provide ample material for a historically accurate but deliciously perverse story.
:mad: I meant to listen to that and then forgot it.
Sounds like one for Linnet to me.
 
Re: Re: Kinky Mediaeval Divorce Court - non-fiction!

Charm_Brights said:

:mad: I meant to listen to that and then forgot it.
Sounds like one for Linnet to me.

Annoyingly, I can't find the transcript or audio on the radio4 website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4

'Document' doesn't even appear in their alphabetical programme directory, only in their schedule. How can a site no nicely designed be so unusable?
 
Sounds like one of the Canterbury Tales! lol.

Our forefather's had a much earthier attitude about sex then we do.
 
LOL

OMG

I am so happy after reading that; it is truly, truly hilarious.

THANK YOU!!

Chicklet
 
not exactly the same, but:

some time ago, I saw this one "historic" movie. A woman commited a crime (can't remember what crime). Her punishment was: She got undressed and put on a big bed. Then, a guy came and raped her, while some other people (male and female) watched them. Next to the bed, there was a master of ceremonies, When one guy was finished, this master of ceremonies cried "Next" and another guy came and raped the woman ... in the end, 300 guys raped this woman.


but I have also one "positive" fact about the middle ages: Back then, they had no contraceptives, so to prevent pregnancy, they did anal sex ....
 
Ahead Of Their Time

The Egyptians had birth control...I believe it was mostly crocodile dung...


hmm...have a baby, or eat shit...

Chicklet
 
there are always this strange tales.

I remember, something in a youth magazine over here, where teenagers could send questions to a doctor. One girl said: "according to a girlfriend, you can't get pregnant if you pour some Coca Cola in your pussy, and if you drink some Coca Cola ..."

this are always the kinds of questions that make me go ROFL

Just imagine: A girl pours Coca Cola in her pussy (should be pretty sticky) and then, she sues CC because, she got pregnant, even though she used CC ....

by the way: I also remember this question from a girl: "I am 14. Am I old enough to shave my pussy ?"
 
my *mother* told me that if i peed after sex I couldn't get pregnant.

...then she went upstairs to smoke another joint...
 
Chicklet said:
LOL

I am so happy after reading that; it is truly, truly hilarious.
Chicklet


Having read your fiction, I nominate you
to write a story about it.

I really wish the bbc put a transcript up on the web. You can get realaudio versions of their boring dreck like 'devout skeptics' but when something really good and raunchy comes on they feel the need to destroy all traces of it.
 
It is not exactly Medieval, nor is it Divorce; but I have always thought there was more entertainment value in an Elizabethan Era wedding than those of the Present Day.

After the requisite Wedding Feast, the Bride retired to the Marital Chambers to prepare herself for her new ‘Protector.' The Groom, attended by his cohorts prepared for bed. Then, they all entered the Marital Chamber, where the Wedding Guests watched as the Married Couple ... er ... ahem ... coupled!

This was considered a reasonable thing to do, as it provided witnesses to the fact that the Wedding Vows spoken had been Consummated. Also, that the Bride had been - or had manager to seem - a Virgin. And, not inconsiderably, it provided a bang up Big Finish to the day's Ceremonies.

Perhaps a trifle taxing on the New Bride; unless, of course, she was Blessed with a taste for Exhibitionism. :eek:
 
I also heard a story about the middle ages, I am not sure if it is true - it sounds pretty strange.

Back then, young brides pushed a fish into their pussy and let it their for a few hours (or maybe even a few days, can't remember). Then, they served this "cunt-fish" to their husband ...
 
As a historian with a taste for the history of sex, I would like to put forth an interesting american historical fact. At least in new england, if a young woman had a child out of wedlock, the midwife would ask the woman while giving birth who the child's father was. It was assumed that she would be unable to lie b/c of the pain...and should the young man be unmarried, he would have to marry the girl. If he was married, well, fallen woman mean anything to anyone?

Also from medieval history...it is unclear whether this is fact or fiction, but it is said that during feudal times, the lord of the holding held droit de seigner over the brides of his peasantry. In other words, he could claim them for his own on their wedding night, in other words being the first to have them.

Rennaisance times...At least in the aristocrats households, the families would wait outside the marital bedchamber on the first night to wait for evidence of the brides virginity (blood stained sheets) this was de rigeur in many European countries.

And last, but not least...in many european countries, when a queen gave birth there were always many many people in attendence to bear witness to the birth of the child, and witness the child's gender and such. Somehow this had something to do with honesty, but I would term it pervy.
 
It's been some time since I read this, but I think it was in Holland, the bride was expected to hang the wedding night sheets outside the bedroom window. The whole town waited to see if the sheets had a red stain. The article went on to say that the size of the stain was important. Smaller was better. "Cheating" with beef or other animal blood was suspected if the stain was too large. Apparently the methods of deceiving your neighbors was were known.
 
Virgin's Blood...

I didn't bleed when I lost my virginity...I sorta thought they made stuff like that up.
 
It's been some time since I read this, but I think it was in Holland, the bride was expected to hang the wedding night sheets outside the bedroom window. The whole town waited to see if the sheets had a red stain. The article went on to say that the size of the stain was important. Smaller was better. "Cheating" with beef or other animal blood was suspected if the stain was too large. Apparently the methods of deceiving your neighbors was were known.

I saw something similar on tv. The muslims are still very strict about this virginity stuff.

So, there was this couple. After the wedding, they were brought to a chamber. Some time later, I think the father of the husband came out with a white cloth. He showed everyone the bloodstain ... so the woman was a virgin. But I am not sure - I think they said something like: They cover 2 fingers with the cloth and then push them into the vagina ... so they break the hymen with the fingers. But I am not sure if that is true or not ...
 
Chicklet said:

okay

so is this bdsm or nonconsent?


I dunno.

It's mostly psychological cruelty, I suppose.

I see it as starting off nice and friendly, the bloke doesn't know what he's in for, and it turns into sort of an attempted near-rape.

Problem is, a story wouldn't be too sexy, because no one gets off. Unless the women get each other off in front of John.

Or unless they were to find out that John can't get a hard-on until he is really humiliated, at which point they have to teach his wife how to get John excited and help her get knocked up. She could be hiding in the cupboard. Or something comparably delicious and depraved.

Oh well... historical authenticity then goes out the window.
 
deliciously_naughty said:
... Also from medieval history...it is unclear whether this is fact or fiction, but it is said that during feudal times, the lord of the holding held droit de seigner over the brides of his peasantry. In other words, he could claim them for his own on their wedding night, in other words being the first to have them. ...
True. Mentioned in lots of the literature.
 
Charm_Brights said:

True. Mentioned in lots of the literature.

Jus primae noctis / Droit du seigneur has been argued for centuries. It is now considered to be merely a writer's device, nothing more. Most scholars argue that having a law that gives a right that a lord could simply take for himself makes little sense. It is now believed that this belief was derived from a corruption of a real documented law called The Culagium -- the requirement that a peasant get permission from his lord to marry.

-T
 
NASCARaddicted said:

They cover 2 fingers with the cloth and then push them into the vagina ... so they break the hymen with the fingers. But I am not sure if that is true or not ...

I heard something like that, too.

Doesn't that sound like a cool erotic story, a first time thing? He breaks her hymen before penetrating??

That gives me an idea for a story...

Chicklet
 
EarnestImp said:

It's mostly psychological cruelty, I suppose.

I guess it would depend on how the story come's off...or we could have an introductory bit where he's consenting to the treatment in the hopes that he WILL get a hard-on and save his marriage. Or else he can be pleading to not go through with it, in which case it would be a nonconsent.

EarnestImp said:

Problem is, a story wouldn't be too sexy, because no one gets off. Unless the women get each other off in front of John.

IMHO stories can be ultra-sexy whether the characters get off or not. A lot of my fantasies include humiliation with no "climax"

Anyone agree with me?
 
Re: Virgin's Blood...

Chicklet said:

I didn't bleed when I lost my virginity...

Me either. Then again, I was 17 and already sexually active (as in "foreplay", fingering, yada yada), and I was actually bumbed that it did not hurt like it was "supposed to" the first time! :eek:

Anyway, I'm sure I rubbed my hymen away many years before I finally had sex!
 
I also heard things like: nowadays, a hymen can brake in different ways. Like, for example, during sports or when the girl inserts a tampon.
 
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