King's "On Writing": A Personal Ego Trip

dr_mabeuse

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I owe an apology and a thankyou to Earl and Tatelou and everyone else who suiggested Stephen King's book, On Writing. It's a charming and inspirational book, and a shameless ego boost as well, because just about everything he mentions in there are things I already do.

I was especially surprised at what he says about plot, and how he doesn't care about it when he writes. He doesn’t plot his books and doesn’t make outlines. Here's what he says:

"Plot is, I think, a good writer's last resort and a dullard's first choice. The story which results from it is apt to feel artifical and labored.
"I lean more heavily on intuition and have been able to do that because my books tend to be based on situations rather than story [my bolds]. Some of the ideas which have produced these books are more complex than others, but the majority start out with the stark simplicity of a department store window display or waxworks tabelau. I want to put a group of characters (perhaps a pair; maybe just one) in some sort of predicament and then watch them work themselves free. My job isn't to help them work their way free, or manipulate them to safety—those are jobs that require the noisy jackhammers of plot—but to watch what happens and then write it down.
"The situation comes first. The characters—always flat and unfeatured to begin with—come next…"

This is almost exactly how I work. I start with a scene or a situation in mind, and I start writing my way towards it. By the time I get there, my characters have usually produced some interesting complications or nuances, and they tend to work out the ending for themselves. (Doesn't always work though. Sometimes they won't get off their asses.)

He also said something about one of his books which gave me another huge ego boost. I haven’t read much of his, but I did read The Stand, and as I was reading it, I said to myself, this isn't one story. It's two stories jammed together to make one book: there's the story of a plague that wipes out most of the people on earth, and then there's some silliness about people with atomic bombs threatening to wipe out the survivors.

Sure enough, King says that he wrote the first 500 pages about the plague and then got stuck, and for months and months he didn’t know what to do with it. He thought he might just have to abandon the book. Then he hit on the idea of the atomic bombs, and that gave him his ending. So it was two books jammed together. I almost broke my arm slapping myself on the back.

Anyhow, it's worth the read. You might not agree with all his working habits and opinions, but he makes it all seem like such an adventure again.

And hearing about his getting $400,000 for the paperback rights to his first published book isn't bad either. And that was in like 1974.
 
I've often noticed a Stephen King flavor in your work Doc - not necessarily voice, but your passionate humanity and attention to detail.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Anyhow, it's worth the read. You might not agree with all his working habits and opinions, but he makes it all seem like such an adventure again.

Agreed. I love the book because it always makes me feel like I can write. It's inspiration in a can.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
Agreed. I love the book because it always makes me feel like I can write. It's inspiration in a can.

The Earl
Agreed, I'm still reading it and loving it. It's empowering.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I owe an apology and a thankyou to Earl and Tatelou and everyone else who suiggested Stephen King's book, On Writing. It's a charming and inspirational book, and a shameless ego boost as well, because just about everything he mentions in there are things I already do.

I was especially surprised at what he says about plot, and how he doesn't care about it when he writes. He doesn’t plot his books and doesn’t make outlines. Here's what he says:

[SIZE=7[b]]"Plot is, I think, a good writer's last resort and a dullard's first choice.[/b][/SIZE] The story which results from it is apt to feel artifical and labored.
"I lean more heavily on intuition and have been able to do that because my books tend to be based on situations rather than story [my bolds]. Some of the ideas which have produced these books are more complex than others, but the majority start out with the stark simplicity of a department store window display or waxworks tabelau. I want to put a group of characters (perhaps a pair; maybe just one) in some sort of predicament and then watch them work themselves free. My job isn't to help them work their way free, or manipulate them to safety—those are jobs that require the noisy jackhammers of plot—but to watch what happens and then write it down.
"The situation comes first. The characters—always flat and unfeatured to begin with—come next…"

This is almost exactly how I work. I start with a scene or a situation in mind, and I start writing my way towards it. By the time I get there, my characters have usually produced some interesting complications or nuances, and they tend to work out the ending for themselves. (Doesn't always work though. Sometimes they won't get off their asses.)

He also said something about one of his books which gave me another huge ego boost. I haven’t read much of his, but I did read The Stand, and as I was reading it, I said to myself, this isn't one story. It's two stories jammed together to make one book: there's the story of a plague that wipes out most of the people on earth, and then there's some silliness about people with atomic bombs threatening to wipe out the survivors.

Sure enough, King says that he wrote the first 500 pages about the plague and then got stuck, and for months and months he didn’t know what to do with it. He thought he might just have to abandon the book. Then he hit on the idea of the atomic bombs, and that gave him his ending. So it was two books jammed together. I almost broke my arm slapping myself on the back.

Anyhow, it's worth the read. You might not agree with all his working habits and opinions, but he makes it all seem like such an adventure again.

And hearing about his getting $400,000 for the paperback rights to his first published book isn't bad either. And that was in like 1974.


A convert! Never thought I'd see the day dr, where you'd find the quote I used to carry in my sig line and quote it yourself. ;) Glad you finally read King's book! :) It's common sense really, very down to earth and I recommend it for everyone to read.
 
I wouldn't have read it but for you, Zoot. But I am very glad I did, and I recommend it to people now.
 
I think I'll pick it up the next time I find myself in a real book store... heh. My crappy little town has a pitiful excuse of one, doesn't carry much.
 
I've mentioned something like this in another thread. As writers we put things into stories that we don't realise are there and it's a beautiful thing, the "Oh Yeah" feeling. Especially when it's someone we think knows what they're supposed to be talking about.

"I really liked the way you introduced the hour glass on the table and then later compared her figure to it."

"Did I?"

"Yes, first paragraph and then on the second page near the end."

"Oh yeah."


Tip: In my experience it never works if you do it on purpose.
 
When King was writing at his peak, the thing I most admired about him was his ability to make the reader relax and feel at home with his protagonists - so when it was time for the horror and tragedy, we were set up to be not just afraid but heartbroken.

He propped his characters' lives with familiar things: favorite TV shows, brands of cigarettes, the memory of a red Schwinn ten-speed where another writer might have settled for just a bicycle. It was almost impossible not to identify with people so normal, even though you knew you'd regret it later.

The humanity that made non-horror stories like "Stand By Me" so moving, King used like a bludgeon in "The Shining," "Cujo," "Misery" and "Pet Semetary."

Before Cujo is a monster, he's just a large friendly dog. King plays the animal-lover card and makes Cujo lovable, so he can remind you now and then that the monster is just an overgrown puppydog driven by awful suffering. Ruthless bastard! After Cujo, I swore off Stephen King novels for good. Almost.

The only horror novel that ever made me cry was King's Pet Semetary. The premise was so far-fetched, I expected a painless summer-weekend diversion. Ha! King just uses the laughable zombie-animal scenes to keep readers diverted while he sets up a charming and utterly believable relationship between the protagonist and his 3-year-old son. There's a marvelous chapter about the two of them flying a kite. The chapter ends with the adorable little boy running across a meadow and squealing,

"Kite fline, Daddy! Kite fline!"

The next chapter opens with the arrival of Daddy's in-laws for the kid's funeral. It seems he ran into the path of a truck while chasing the damn kite.

Just when things can't possibly be more awful, the father-in-law blames the dad, they get into a shoving match, dad bumps into the closed casket, and before it topples to the floor everyone gets a glimpse of a tiny hand.

King, you manipulative word-Nazi, I haven't forgiven you for that.

And no, I did not laugh when I read that you like to sneak that poor squished child's name into your godawful TV movies. ("The Gage Creed Band" in the TV remake of The Shining.)
 
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shereads said:
The only horror novel that ever made me cry was King's Pet Semetary. The premise was so far-fetched, I expected a painless summer-weekend diversion. Ha! King just uses the laughable zombie-animal scenes to keep readers diverted while he sets up a charming and utterly believable relationship between the protagonist and his 3-year-old son. There's a marvelous chapter about the two of them flying a kite. The chapter ends with the adorable little boy running across a meadow and squealing,

"Kite fline, Daddy! Kite fline!"

The next chapter opens with the arrival of Daddy's in-laws for the kid's funeral. It seems he ran into the path of a truck while chasing the damn kite.

Just when things can't possibly be more awful, the father-in-law blames the dad, they get into a shoving match, dad bumps into the closed casket, and before it topples to the floor everyone gets a glimpse of a tiny hand.

King, you manipulative word-Nazi, I haven't forgiven you for that.

And no, I did not laugh when I read that you like to sneak that poor squished child's name into your godawful TV movies. ("The Gage Creed Band" in the TV remake of The Shining.)

He got me with that one; there's a whole chapter just after that bit where he makes out that the funeral was all in the Dad's head as he stretched to save his son and that in real life he actually managed to grab the back of his kid's shirt to pull him back. He makes it so mundane and normal as the kid's crying at being yanked back and the mom's coming over to yell at the dad for being so bloody careless that you buy into it and he goes on to detail the kid's future life as an Olympic swimmer before suddenly telling you that it was all bollocks and the kid did actually die.

Bastard King. Beautifully done though.

The Earl
 
Glad you liked "On Writing" Doc. It's a book I recommed to all newbie writers.

I'm a fan of Stephen King, but not his writing. It's a matter of taste not a judgement on his ability. I prefer well-plotted stories and strong characters, while horror is a turn-off for me. The books by King I've enjoyed the most are his gothic stories like Bag of Bones and even Hearts of Atlantis.

What many beginning writers overlook is the amount of work that went into King's success. He's been writing for most of his life, studied writing in college, and is married to a writer whose good eye saved Carrie. And while it's true the first novel he had accepted got him a huge advance, I believe that was his FIFTH novel.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
I read it last year and finally understood, why King sold that many books. I never read any of his other books, like for RF horror is a turn off for me. I loved "On writing" ... which reminds me, I should read it again.
 
For me, the passage dr._M talks about dealing with plot growing from detail and character is the most important thing a newbie writer needs to learn. They want this to happen, or that, and wonder why their characters are plastic.

If you take the time to know your characters, conflict and contrast will create action for you. Or sometimes you can know a single character and throw them into a situation where you (especially) don't know what they'll do, and watch them handle it, or not. Sometimes it's good to begin with the situation, so long as you find a character who's not likely to be found there. And sometimes a story can result from a simple image -- I'm working now on a story that comes from watching an ice floe shaped like South America.

If you know what's going to happen, or what the image "means," I wonder if you even need a writer.
 
Softouch911 said:
For me, the passage dr._M talks about dealing with plot growing from detail and character is the most important thing a newbie writer needs to learn. They want this to happen, or that, and wonder why their characters are plastic.

If you take the time to know your characters, conflict and contrast will create action for you. Or sometimes you can know a single character and throw them into a situation where you (especially) don't know what they'll do, and watch them handle it, or not.

I can't help wondering how someone who identifies with some of his characters as King seems to, can be so ruthless with them. I admire that about him, though. It's what makes his best work exceptional.

It's hard to reconcile that writer with the other Stephen King, the one who began using gratuitous brutality so frequently that I stopped reading him. There was an animal torture scene in "It" that made me physically ill. I quit reading halfway through a paragraph and I've never been able to trust him enough to pick up another novel. I'm sure I've missed some good work since then, but I won't risk being confronted with something that repulsive again, by an author who's so good at getting readers to let down their guard.

I'm ordering "On Writing" from amazon tonight, though. Too many AH recommendations to ignore.

There had better not be a chapter about writing realistic puppy-torture scenes. My revenge will make "Misery" look like a misunderstanding between friends.

:rolleyes:
 
I bought "On Writing" while I was working on Mr. Undesirable, but I refused to read it before I was finished writing the novel. I didn't want it to influence me in my method, which I was still working out. I wish I had read it, though. I started it the day I finished Mr. U and it was loaded with great advice that you just don't get in English classes. Good practical advice and encouragement. Good tips for the physical act of writing. I had horrible writing habits in that first book. After reading King's book I changed my whole approach.

I was surprised to hear that his target number of words is a minimum of 2,000 a day. I expected a lot more than that. I've talked to other authors and I've found that quite a few them spend very little time actually writing. A romance novelist I talked to said she only writes for an hour a day because that's all she has. I never felt like I could bother trying to write unless I could set aside a large chunk of time, but now I just od it when I can and everything is good.
 
Softouch911 said:
For me, the passage dr._M talks about dealing with plot growing from detail and character is the most important thing a newbie writer needs to learn. They want this to happen, or that, and wonder why their characters are plastic.

I'd actually gave up writing for years because I could never come up with good plots, and I'd just assumed that all writers started with elaborate plots and worked from there. I used to torture myself with outlines and diagrams and plans and all for naught. That's why when I started writing again, it was porn, because sex and seduction comes with a plot built into it. You just have to come up with a couple characters and a setting and let them go at it.

Now I've graduated from straight fuck scenes to situation-driven stories and it's worked very well for me. For example, I had an image of a girl sitting under a spotlight in a dark room while an unseen man offers her money to perform various sex acts. How far would she go? Who is this guy? What does he really want from her? I had no idea when I started writing it, but I'm turning it into a book now. I still don't know how it ends, but the more I write and the better I get to know my characters, the clearer the ending gets.

As for King's ability to torture his characters, I think that's always easier for the writer than the reader. I know that reader's responses to the bad things that happen to my characters often surprise me. It's like, I know my characters, and I know what they can take. The reader doesn't.

Writing time: I remember reading that Evelyn Waugh or Alduous Huxley or one of those guys used to write from 8:00 AM to about 10:00-10:30 AM and that was it. They said that by 11:00, the best part of the day was behind them and why write crap?

Nice work if you can get it.
 
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dr_mabeuse said:
(el posto doble)
Been there, done that.

Speaking of writing time; Hemingway would write in long-hand while standing. He said when his legs got too tired to stand, the mind was no longer sharp enough to do any good work and it was time to stop writing for the day.

Me, I write sitting. When my butt gets too tired to stay put, I know my mind has long since gone bad and it's time to walk the dogs.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
TheEarl said:
Agreed. I love the book because it always makes me feel like I can write. It's inspiration in a can.

The Earl
What he said. (Reaching out for copy kept next to computer)

Alex
 
king as bachman

The novels Stephen King wrote as Richard Bachman are very interesting. The Long Walk I especially remember, as an early reality show of sorts, and Rage, which was Columbine years before it happened.

That's how I remember them at least, and I'd like to give them a second look but can't. Never let people borrow books. :rolleyes:
 
On writing is definitely worthwhile.

Leaving aside the specific advice one sees King is a *very persistent* person, willing to start anywhere, iirc selling stories to Gent magazine.

That's the start, anywhere who'll pay you one nickel.

Also, I seem to remember he said you can and should cut 10% from your final copy. I tried it a few times and it tightened up the story a lot-- of course I then added, and so on. But I think that's key. Eliminating a word or sentence that is simply unnecesary; most amateurs are in love with every word. To prune is to cut away one's flesh at the time, but readers are simply not infinitely patient; no one for the time being is going to study you like James Joyce trying to figure what you meant.

A good thing King can do is surprise you. How many (%) lit stories contained surprises for you? At the same time the surprise has to make sense, after the fact, if only in some twisted way.
 
I don't like King's horror stories (or anyone's for that matter), but the man has written some fantastic short stories and compiled them. I recommend them for reading too. :) I do so love a great twist. Whether he works the scheme or not, the man writes with plot and three dimensional characters in realistic settings.
 
impressive said:
Okay, it's on order (along with Boota's book). :D

Thanks impressive! I really hope you enjoy both and I appreciate the support. :)
 
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