Killswitch And Me

[Queersetti]

To those who think that this thread is some elaborate put on, I assure you that I am sincere.

To those who don't feel that there is any possibility of KS changing in a positive manner, I won't argue otherwise. You may be right. But, you should recognize that such a belief, put into practice, may be a self fullfilling prophecy. If no one cuts the man any slack, then any honest attempt he makes at reforming himself will surely fail.

Some may have missed a point I made in my original post. Someone compared KS's behavior to alcoholism. I believe that is a reasonable analogy. But I also believe it is possible that the response he got from most of the board when he wrote about his missing cat may have furnished him with a moment of clarity. And, yes, the whole cat thing may have been a ploy for sympathy, but if so, that could make the revelation that many of those he's expressed hatred towards were willing to show him kindness in return even more profound.

And, in case anyone is confused, I do not, and will not, condone bad behavior on his part. I have been one of the loudest and most consistent voices on the GB calling him out for his racism, his homophobia, his misogynism and his general hostility. I was battling him on these issues before many of you registered at Lit.

I am not stepping forward in his defense. But, I will not write him off as a fellow human being. I'm willing to give him a chance to show that he is trying to change. If I'm wrong, I have lost nothing.

 

[jimmyfruitloop]

Killswitch And Me

Sounds like a bad UPN sitcom... "He's the 'Hometown Homo', he's the racist crossdresser... And together, they're fighting crime"!


Right after Veronica Mars on Mondays!

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Sounds like a bad UPN sitcom... "He's the 'Hometown Homo', he's the racist crossdresser... And together, they're fighting crime"!


Right after Veronica Mars on Mondays!

I'd make them roomates too, kinda like these guys.

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Satellite/3763/pslogo_old1.jpg

 

[-- Zoey--]

Is this thread, serious?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Or these:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6303544711.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

 

[zipman]

Priorities? On a porn board? Hah. Now if you, Kyle, Freya and BG (others) were to bone up the way Setti has... I'd also check the calendar to see if it was April Fool's Day.

Some just can't seem to drop issues even while others have.

I think his praise of hitler and mocking the fact that I lost family in the holocaust is more than enough of an "issue" to me that I won't drop it.

I don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things he has said and done on here.

 

[jimmyfruitloop]

Or these:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6303544711.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I think I could make that work... They could wrap up each episode being ignored by Freya in some pub.

 

[Queersetti]

I think his praise of hitler and mocking the fact that I lost family in the holocaust is more than enough of an "issue" to me that I won't drop it.

I don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things he has said and done on here.

You have good cause to feel that way, and I don't fault you for it one bit.

I only know what feels right to me.

 

[Queersetti]

Or these:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6303544711.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I call dibs on being Hanks, he can be Scolari.

 

[HeavyStick]

I think his praise of hitler and mocking the fact that I lost family in the holocaust is more than enough of an "issue" to me that I won't drop it.

I don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things he has said and done on here.

I agree. However, if he says he's going to change, then I'll watch and observe with curiousity. It's unfortunate when he says he's going to change he's blown it so many times and so quickly. My bet is that Apes will rule the Earth before KS makes a change and sticks with it.

 

[Problem Child]

If Jesus met switchie in a bar, Jesus would kick his ass. Then he would have a shot of Jack and go a-whorin'.

 

[Problem Child]

I agree. However, if he says he's going to change, then I'll watch and observe with curiousity. It's unfortunate when he says he's going to change he's blown it so many times and so quickly. My bet is that Apes will rule the Earth before KS makes a change and sticks with it.

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Movies/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Chronological%20History.files/Heston%20Harrison.jpg

Apes ruling the earth would be boss. Especially if all the chicks looked like Nova and talked as much as her.



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[Image]

To those who think that this thread is some elaborate put on, I assure you that I am sincere.

To those who don't feel that there is any possibility of KS changing in a positive manner, I won't argue otherwise. You may be right. But, you should recognize that such a belief, put into practice, may be a self fullfilling prophecy. If no one cuts the man any slack, then any honest attempt he makes at reforming himself will surely fail.

Some may have missed a point I made in my original post. Someone compared KS's behavior to alcoholism. I believe that is a reasonable analogy. But I also believe it is possible that the response he got from most of the board when he wrote about his missing cat may have furnished him with a moment of clarity. And, yes, the whole cat thing may have been a ploy for sympathy, but if so, that could make the revelation that many of those he's expressed hatred towards were willing to show him kindness in return even more profound.

And, in case anyone is confused, I do not, and will not, condone bad behavior on his part. I have been one of the loudest and most consistent voices on the GB calling him out for his racism, his homophobia, his misogynism and his general hostility. I was battling him on these issues before many of you registered at Lit.

I am not stepping forward in his defense. But, I will not write him off as a fellow human being. I'm willing to give him a chance to show that he is trying to change. If I'm wrong, I have lost nothing.

Everything you've said is sane and balanced... Many people confuse my responses to KS insanity saying I'm defending him and ignoring his abusive comments to others (the "he didn't do it to me" mentality). But truly that's not the case...

I DO see KS for who he is... He lashes out, he's materialistic and ego-centric, etc. BUT he's also very sensitive, has a really good sense of humor and cares deeply for those he's close to...

I think that losing his kitty was one of those moments in life (laugh if you want) to him that did give him a moment of clarity, as Q put it...

No doubt, he's burned many people and I don't blame them for not trusting or believing he can change. And maybe he can't... Maybe we just have to learn to live with that and either like him, lump him, trust him, understand him, ignore him, or whatever...

But I'll admit, he has much personal info from me and guess what... I'm positive, absolutely positive, he hasn't shared it or will try to use it against me ever...

His character here may of an ass and he's not pretending, I'm not a fool... But I do believe he has honor and some kind of, bizarre as it may be, integrity and is trying to change for the better, whether it be in RL or as a Litizen...

 

[Mia62]

I would be a hypocrite if I chose to criticize another person's honest efforts to change their behaviour. It doesn't happen all at once...it happens over a period of time with consistent effort. I haven't seen the consistent part of his effort yet...but that doesn't mean it won't happen...I hope.

 

[zipman]

You have good cause to feel that way, and I don't fault you for it one bit.

I only know what feels right to me.

And I don't fault you for your views. I think it all boils down to whether or not you believe he is trying to change. I have seen no evidence of that.

At best I would say that he is showing that he has feelings although I haven't seen any past caring for his pets. His racist attacks seem more infrequent but his personal attacks seem far worse.

 

[Queersetti]

Everything you've said is sane and balanced... Many people confuse my responses to KS insanity saying I'm defending him and ignoring his abusive comments to others (the "he didn't do it to me" mentality). But truly that's not the case...

I DO see KS for who he is... He lashes out, he's materialistic and ego-centric, etc. BUT he's also very sensitive, has a really good sense of humor and cares deeply for those he's close to...

I think that losing his kitty was one of those moments in life (laugh if you want) to him that did give him a moment of clarity, as Q put it...

No doubt, he's burned many people and I don't blame them for not trusting or believing he can change. And maybe he can't... Maybe we just have to learn to live with that and either like him, lump him, trust him, understand him, ignore him, or whatever...

But I'll admit, he has much personal info from me and guess what... I'm positive, absolutely positive, he hasn't shared it or will try to use it against me ever...

His character here may of an ass and he's not pretending, I'm not a fool... But I do believe he has honor and some kind of, bizarre as it may be, integrity and is trying to change for the better, whether it be in RL or as a Litizen...

I would be a hypocrite if I did not acknowledge that I've always been one of those most critical of the "but he has always been nice to me" reasoning.

Again, I don't condone anything he has said or done. He needs to find ways to make amends to a lot of people or, failing that, at least refrain from making things worse for himself.

 

[bg23]

Gotta love that!

Kyle, I just have to comment on your defense (?) of Kill's words to BG. It wasn't that long ago where she offended many people here with her "Little Hitlerite" theme title...

Yeah, if by "many people" you refer to Rimmy.

Anybody else who was offended by that never spoke up.

In any case? I hardly see the ethical immorality in that little particularly ironic title.

It was, after all, used in conjunction with the quote from lasher -- "cute asian hitlerites have sex" -- featured in my sigline.

In addition, I wonder if you might not have caught the irony of an asian and decidedly non white female calling herself a hitlerite.

Because clearly, all that has GOT to mean I hate jewish people, right?

Yeah, I'm real ethically immoral, I am.

 

[Wok]

Yeah, if by "many people" you refer to Rimmy.

Anybody else who was offended by that never spoke up.

In any case? I hardly see the ethical immorality in that little particularly ironic title.

It was, after all, used in conjunction with the quote from lasher -- "cute asian hitlerites have sex" -- featured in my sigline.

In addition, I wonder if you might not have caught the irony of an asian and decidedly non white female calling herself a hitlerite.

Because clearly, all that has GOT to mean I hate jewish people, right?

Yeah, I'm real ethically immoral, I am.

Yeah? The cute puppies always win.

 

[Jailhouse]

Killswitch is trying to change?

http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jim/i-want-to-believe.jpg

 

[Morcheeba]

I think his praise of hitler and mocking the fact that I lost family in the holocaust is more than enough of an "issue" to me that I won't drop it.

I don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things he has said and done on here.

In no way can I possibly relate. However, I would have put him on ignore for such statements long ago but I know that's easier said than done.

When Bob B. finally came back and apologized, I accepted his comments. Told him how I do believe that people can change for the better and I meant it. The others involved in trying to Crayola me I pretty much skim past anymore. Dead horse stuff.

As for the Leverage dude that I haven't dropped.... well, see, I don't think he's here to make friends and don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things that he has said and done on here.

You have your gripes, I have mine. Thing is, after a while, I get bored of repeating myself about issues... unlike you.

 

[bg23]

Yeah? The cute puppies always win.

it's a decoy to fool you. i really am a hitlerite. i'd jump right into those cremation fires all by myself to help out hitler!

 

[Comshaw]

To those who think that this thread is some elaborate put on, I assure you that I am sincere.

To those who don't feel that there is any possibility of KS changing in a positive manner, I won't argue otherwise. You may be right. But, you should recognize that such a belief, put into practice, may be a self fullfilling prophecy. If no one cuts the man any slack, then any honest attempt he makes at reforming himself will surely fail.

Some may have missed a point I made in my original post. Someone compared KS's behavior to alcoholism. I believe that is a reasonable analogy. But I also believe it is possible that the response he got from most of the board when he wrote about his missing cat may have furnished him with a moment of clarity. And, yes, the whole cat thing may have been a ploy for sympathy, but if so, that could make the revelation that many of those he's expressed hatred towards were willing to show him kindness in return even more profound.

And, in case anyone is confused, I do not, and will not, condone bad behavior on his part. I have been one of the loudest and most consistent voices on the GB calling him out for his racism, his homophobia, his misogynism and his general hostility. I was battling him on these issues before many of you registered at Lit.

I am not stepping forward in his defense. But, I will not write him off as a fellow human being. I'm willing to give him a chance to show that he is trying to change. If I'm wrong, I have lost nothing.

On an issue like this, it isn't a matter of not giving him a chance to change, or not believing that he is trying, or even writing him off as a human being. It's has nothing at all to do with any of those issues.

I was the one who compared this situation to an alcoholics. It is, in that at this stage of things there is only one way for KS to proceed. No amount of apologizing, no amount of saying he is trying to change, no amount of lip service means a damn thing.

Here, this moment and from now on, it's a simple matter of the proof is in the pudding. You either do or you don't. No I will, I'm trying, I'm going to. It's all about what he does. And like an alcoholic, each time he back slides, each time he slips up, it makes those he hurts that much less likely to believe him.

Right up to the time everyone wries him off. Experience talkin'.


Comshaw

 

[Image]

Yeah, if by "many people" you refer to Rimmy.

Anybody else who was offended by that never spoke up.

In any case? I hardly see the ethical immorality in that little particularly ironic title.

It was, after all, used in conjunction with the quote from lasher -- "cute asian hitlerites have sex" -- featured in my sigline.

In addition, I wonder if you might not have caught the irony of an asian and decidedly non white female calling herself a hitlerite.

Because clearly, all that has GOT to mean I hate jewish people, right?

Yeah, I'm real ethically immoral, I am.

Maybe Rimmy was the only one that spoke up... I'm not Jewish by birth but it offended me. Hitler wasn't only about the Jews. He was a murderer by the 1000's based solely upon a person's ethnicity...

What irony? That you aren't a blue eyed caucasian and so can feel free to subtley slander a race?

Lasher made you do it? HAhahahaah!

 

[zipman]

In no way can I possibly relate. However, I would have put him on ignore for such statements long ago but I know that's easier said than done.

When Bob B. finally came back and apologized, I accepted his comments. Told him how I do believe that people can change for the better and I meant it. The others involved in trying to Crayola me I pretty much skim past anymore. Dead horse stuff.

As for the Leverage dude that I haven't dropped.... well, see, I don't think he's here to make friends and don't believe for a second that he is truly trying to change nor do I think that he feels badly for the things that he has said and done on here.

You have your gripes, I have mine. Thing is, after a while, I get bored of repeating myself about issues... unlike you.

So you have yours and I have mine, except yours are okay? Got it.

 

[KyleW]

Save your rollyeyes...

I wasn't defending him, dickmo. As far as the slurs against the others are concerned, why bring them up? This isn't (another) "Is KS a racist" thread... I was referring only to what you said about his to BG, pointing out that she can be ethnically immoral as well.

I brought them up cause they're recent. Within a week. So much for "changing".