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[JackLuis]

Is the Electorial College our last hope?

 

[BotanyBoy]

So Russia put Trump in office?

LOL, Olberman has come un-fucking-glued.

It's fucking delicious......

 

[RUlookingup]

$10 million chandelier!

 

[Publius1990]

Olberman is ranting because the electors are not voting the way HE wants them to vote. Could it be Mr. Olberman that the electors for Trump have considered the influence and they, the electors (save one in Texas that we are aware of) do not judge that influence, the extent it was successful being mere speculation, enough to overturn the will of the people in their respective states.

First the democrats wanted direct democracy by trashing the electoral college and said "elections should be on popular vote." Now they embrace the electoral college and would like it to overturn the popular vote in the states. Please. Stop, your looking foolish.

And what happens in 2020, when another sets of leaks come (from Russia or another third party) and Trump loses to a democrat because by then there will be plenty Trump administration emails to hack. We going to go through this every election?

Exactly what the Russians want - destabilize our very constitution and institutions. Fools like Olberman play right into it.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You're missing the point.

Putin wants a puppet to do his bidding, not someone who's going to slap sanctions on him. If they intervened, they did it with their own interests in mind. They released DNC emails, not RNC. And, it was the first time, at least the CIA is making known. Don't try and make it a run of the mill normal thing. and don't try and muddy the waters of why it happened.

To extend the analogy, in 2020 it would be a failing Trump about to lose to either a moderate Republican or Democrat. Meanwhile Russia has been doing just dandy. They don't want anything to change. This oil deal has worked out great for them. They want Trump to stay in office. So they'd try and do the same thing they did in this one.

You're already rolling over to the Russians and saying Fuck me in the ass if you accept this as normal.

Dasvedanya

And what happens in 2020, when another sets of leaks come (from Russia or another third party) and Trump loses to a democrat because by then there will be plenty Trump administration emails to hack. We going to go through this every election?
.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're missing the point.

No, you're ignoring it.

You're already rolling over to the Russians and saying Fuck me in the ass if you accept this as normal.

Funny...it wasn't that way when Russia was on team Obama.

It wasn't that way when they were conspiring with (D) to sink Reagan.

Or any of the other times Russia was on team (D).

How come it's only bad when they aren't on team (D)?

Can you explain that?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Are you a paranoid schizophrenic by any chance?

No, you're ignoring it.


Funny...it wasn't that way when Russia was on team Obama.

It wasn't that way when they were conspiring with (D) to sink Reagan.

Or any of the other times Russia was on team (D).

How come it's only bad when they aren't on team (D)?

Can you explain that?

 

[Publius1990]

Nope, I understood Olbermann's point. I just disagree with it.

There is no evidence Trump will be Putin's puppet. And of course they intervened for their own benefit. I never argued otherwise. But I believe their "benefit" is destabilizing our system. Which is exactly what will happen if a free election is overturned. There will never be faith in the system.

Again, I'm not accepting it as normal. We need to investigate it and prevent it from happening again. But you do not overturn an election on the "assumption" that the influence affected the election. How do you know that? You gonna talk to each voter and ask if the Wikileaks info changed their vote? Did it change yours? It didn't change mine.

By the way, I'm no fan of Trump. But I am a fan of the constitution and the will of the people. They spoke and he won.

 

[Publius1990]

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[Carnal_Flower]

I think there is strong evidence:

1. Trump's denials (first) and then outright lies about the hacking; his attack on the trustworthiness of the CIA; his complete disinterest in getting to the bottom of it; his refusal to see it as being of the slightest concern to US security.

2. His appointment of Rex Tillerson

Two good reasons to suspect he is or will be Putin's puppet

Nope, I understood Olbermann's point. I just disagree with it.

There is no evidence Trump will be Putin's puppet. And of course they intervened for their own benefit. I never argued otherwise. But I believe their "benefit" is destabilizing our system. Which is exactly what will happen if a free election is overturned. There will never be faith in the system.

Again, I'm not accepting it as normal. We need to investigate it and prevent it from happening again. But you do not overturn an election on the "assumption" that the influence affected the election. How do you know that? You gonna talk to each voter and ask if the Wikileaks info changed their vote? Did it change yours? It didn't change mine.

By the way, I'm no fan of Trump. But I am a fan of the constitution and the will of the people. They spoke and he won.

 

[JackLuis]

Nope, I understood Olbermann's point. I just disagree with it.

There is no evidence Trump will be Putin's puppet. And of course they intervened for their own benefit. I never argued otherwise. But I believe their "benefit" is destabilizing our system. Which is exactly what will happen if a free election is overturned. There will never be faith in the system.

Again, I'm not accepting it as normal. We need to investigate it and prevent it from happening again. But you do not overturn an election on the "assumption" that the influence affected the election. How do you know that? You gonna talk to each voter and ask if the Wikileaks info changed their vote? Did it change yours? It didn't change mine.

By the way, I'm no fan of Trump. But I am a fan of the constitution and the will of the people. They spoke and he won.

Well Keith is just pointing out the Constitutionality of the EC not putting a crazy asshole in the White House. I believe Hamilton would approve.

 

[Publius1990]

I think there is strong evidence:

1. Trump's denials (first) and then outright lies about the hacking; his attack on the trustworthiness of the CIA; his complete disinterest in getting to the bottom of it; his refusal to see it as being of the slightest concern to US security.

2. His appointment of Rex Tillerson

Two good reasons to suspect he is or will be Putin's puppet

There's a lot of opinion in there but not "evidence." I hope you don't practice law.

None of what you state necessarily leads to an assumption Trump will roll over for Russia. We will have to agree to disagree. Time will tell by his actions.

 

[phrodeau]

There's a lot of opinion in there but not "evidence." I hope you don't practice law.

None of what you state necessarily leads to an assumption Trump will roll over for Russia. We will have to agree to disagree. Time will tell by his actions.

Trump has had enough actions to tell the time by. Have you seen the list?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are you a paranoid schizophrenic by any chance?

LOL....to which you follow up with.....

I think there is strong evidence:

1. Trump's denials (first) and then outright lies about the hacking; his attack on the trustworthiness of the CIA; his complete disinterest in getting to the bottom of it; his refusal to see it as being of the slightest concern to US security.

2. His appointment of Rex Tillerson

Two good reasons to suspect he is or will be Putin's puppet

Your total lack of self awareness is awesome.
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[Publius1990]

Trump has had enough actions to tell the time by. Have you seen the list?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

Quick, let me find the list of many scandals of the Clinton's. Not to mention hers were all while in public office (or her husband). But I'm sure if Clinton had won you'd be okay with it.

 

[Publius1990]

Well Keith is just pointing out the Constitutionality of the EC not putting a crazy asshole in the White House. I believe Hamilton would approve.

Constitutionally, yes, the electors can vote as they see fit. But that's the point "as THEY see fit." If the electoral college was designed to prevent mob rule then isn't it mob rule to try and get them to change their vote. Shouldn't they decide of their own conscious not from stupid commercials filmed by Hollywood wash ups or weeping dems?

As Hamilton said the electors were to be "free from pressure."

I disagree, Jack. If Hamilton saw what was going on now I don't think he would approve.

 

[phrodeau]

Quick, let me find the list of many scandals of the Clinton's. Not to mention hers were all while in public office (or her husband). But I'm sure if Clinton had won you'd be okay with it.

Like what, Benghazi? Creating ISIS? Top secret e-mails? Whitewater, maybe?

Must be a real scandal in there somewhere. Maybe you can find it.

 

[JackLuis]

Constitutionally, yes, the electors can vote as they see fit. But that's the point "as THEY see fit." If the electoral college was designed to prevent mob rule then isn't it mob rule to try and get them to change their vote. Shouldn't they decide of their own conscious not from stupid commercials filmed by Hollywood wash ups or weeping dems?

As Hamilton said the electors were to be "free from pressure."

I disagree, Jack. If Hamilton saw what was going on now I don't think he would approve.

I doubt that Hamilton would object to debate and advocacy on the issue. But he would disapprove of the threats and intimidation like we've seen in Texas. On that we can agree.

Texas electors face threats for defecting: ‘Vote for Trump or we rape your wife and daughters’

 

[Boxlicker101]

You're missing the point.

Putin wants a puppet to do his bidding, not someone who's going to slap sanctions on him. If they intervened, they did it with their own interests in mind. They released DNC emails, not RNC. And, it was the first time, at least the CIA is making known. Don't try and make it a run of the mill normal thing. and don't try and muddy the waters of why it happened.

To extend the analogy, in 2020 it would be a failing Trump about to lose to either a moderate Republican or Democrat. Meanwhile Russia has been doing just dandy. They don't want anything to change. This oil deal has worked out great for them. They want Trump to stay in office. So they'd try and do the same thing they did in this one.

You're already rolling over to the Russians and saying Fuck me in the ass if you accept this as normal.


Dasvedanya

You seem to be completely missing the point, if there even is one. Trump has never, not ever, held a political office so, therefore, has never been the puppet of anybody. Furthermore, he can't "stay in" office. Can Obama or Silly Hilly say the same thing?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I doubt that Hamilton would object to debate and advocacy on the issue. But he would disapprove of the threats and intimidation like we've seen in Texas. On that we can agree.

Texas electors face threats for defecting: ‘Vote for Trump or we rape your wife and daughters’

That's already third hand news, and I doubt it was ever said or meant seriously.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You don't think Putin's influence is not present in Dumptruck's choice of some of his Cabinet positions, or how he's going to shape his oil policy, foreign policy? Putin got the Prez he wanted, that's why Dump is suddenly his bff.

Plus, we don't know what the Russians got from the RNC. We don't know what he holds over Dump's head.

You seem to be completely missing the point, if there even is one. Trump has never, not ever, held a political office so, therefore, has never been the puppet of anybody. Furthermore, he can't :stay in" office. Can Obama or Silly Hilly say the same thing?

 

[Boxlicker101]

You don't think Putin's influence is not present in Dumptruck's choice of some of his Cabinet positions, or how he's going to shape his oil policy, foreign policy? Putin got the Prez he wanted, that's why Dump is suddenly his bff.

Plus, we don't know what the Russians got from the RNC. We don't know what he holds over Dump's head.

You can say the same thing about Iran, China, UK, France, Germany or any other major foreign country. Hillary would have done the same thing.

We do know Hilly made a sweetheart deal with Russia to turn over uranium reserves. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

 

[Publius1990]

Like what, Benghazi? Creating ISIS? Top secret e-mails? Whitewater, maybe?

Must be a real scandal in there somewhere. Maybe you can find it.

You found three for me. Benghazi, emails, and Whitwater. I wouldn't put the creation of ISIS on Clinton. That one goes to Obama.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I doubt that Hamilton would object to debate and advocacy on the issue. But he would disapprove of the threats and intimidation like we've seen in Texas. On that we can agree.

Texas electors face threats for defecting: ‘Vote for Trump or we rape your wife and daughters’

That or the treats to voters in Philadelphia a few years ago.

 

[phrodeau]

You found three for me. Benghazi, emails, and Whitwater. I wouldn't put the creation of ISIS on Clinton. That one goes to Obama.

None of those are real Clinton scandals. Psych!