Katie's Revenge - child molester gets tagged.

[lucky-E-leven]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/29/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html

EVANSVILLE, Indiana (AP) -- An inmate serving a life sentence for molesting and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie was apparently forcibly tattooed across the forehead by a fellow prisoner with the words "KATIE'S REVENGE," authorities say.

Anthony Ray Stockelman, 39, was removed from the general prison population for his own safety last weekend after authorities discovered the tattoo, officials said.

Prison officials said an inmate has been identified as a suspect.

A photo of what is identified as Stockelman's forehead appeared this week on a crime blog called "Lost In Lima Ohio" that focuses on news reports about crimes against children and women.

Two prison guards suspected of supplying the picture were fired for making unauthorized copies of an evidence photo, said Rich Larsen, a spokesman for the Wabash Valley state prison in Carlisle, about 70 miles north of Evansville.

Child molesters rank near the bottom of the prison hierarchy and are often brutalized by other inmates. Tattoos are against prison regulations, but inmates often fashion crude tattoo instruments with plastic utensils and needles.

Stockelman's tattoo covers nearly his entire forehead.

"If I had to guess I'd say it's a statement from the inmates," said Collman's father, John Neace.

Stockelman pleaded guilty to abducting, molesting and drowning Katlyn "Katie" Collman, whose body was found in 2005 in a creek about 15 miles from her home in the town of Crothersville.

Police initially believed Katie was abducted and slain because she had stumbled onto a methamphetamine operation in the neighborhood, but that theory was later discarded.

Another man confessed to the killing at one point but was cleared after DNA and other evidence connected Stockelman to the crime.

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[Guest]

yannow, im not for the death penalty...


but i am for torture.

 

[TriggerHippie]

yannow, im not for the death penalty...


but i am for torture.

Mess with babies and I agree. I've got your back. Hurt a child for your own selfish purposes and you're nothing to me. Mental illness isn't an excuse; I have no sympathy for people that hurt kids, regardless of their internal justification.

Something should be sacred in this world ... and children are it, eh?

Katie’s Revenge is dangerously poetic. I only hope an enormous inmate called Tiny takes him as a bitch. I want him to feel what he did to that baby. I want him to have not a moments peace in this life. If it had been my child, I’m honestly not sure I could torture him … but I know peeps that have that courage. But I would help hide the body and lie without thinking twice to protect them.

Don’t mess with babies.

Peace, Katie.

 

[SeaCat]

I have been accused by many of being ignorant of the laws,
I have been accused of being druel, barbaric and uncivilised.
To these accusations I proudly plead guilty.

I believe in the public humilitaion and torture of those convicted without a reasonable doubt of crimes like this. Public Castration, slow and painful as well as marking them for all to see, Do it in a most painful manner.

Make them survive the treatment, then for the rest of their lives they will still have to pay for they are marked and everyone will know their crime.

Rape between adults is another crime I view in mush the same way, at least as far as punishment goes. If the person is convicted without a reasonable doubt, then make the punishment fit the crime, and do so publicly. If it makes just one person stop and think, then is it not worth it?

Then again, as I have said I am a Barbarian and uncivilised.

Cat

 

[Guest]

Mess with babies and I agree. I've got your back. Hurt a child for your own selfish purposes and you're nothing to me. Mental illness isn't an excuse; I have no sympathy for people that hurt kids, regardless of their internal justification.

Something should be sacred in this world ... and children are it, eh?

Katie’s Revenge is dangerously poetic. I only hope an enormous inmate called Tiny takes him as a bitch. I want him to feel what he did to that baby. I want him to have not a moments peace in this life. If it had been my child, I’m honestly not sure I could torture him … but I know peeps that have that courage. But I would help hide the body and lie without thinking twice to protect them.

Don’t mess with babies.

Peace, Katie.

i have been in that situation and while i wouldnt mind if he died for what he did to my children...i can't be the one to pull the trigger

HOWEVER

i wouldn't have any trouble torturing him...and i certainly wouldnt mind if someone carved something like that into his forehead. infact, death is too easy. so, i say... suffer, bastard...suffer.

 

[Guest]

I have been accused by many of being ignorant of the laws,
I have been accused of being druel, barbaric and uncivilised.
To these accusations I proudly plead guilty.

I believe in the public humilitaion and torture of those convicted without a reasonable doubt of crimes like this. Public Castration, slow and painful as well as marking them for all to see, Do it in a most painful manner.

Make them survive the treatment, then for the rest of their lives they will still have to pay for they are marked and everyone will know their crime.

Rape between adults is another crime I view in mush the same way, at least as far as punishment goes. If the person is convicted without a reasonable doubt, then make the punishment fit the crime, and do so publicly. If it makes just one person stop and think, then is it not worth it?

Then again, as I have said I am a Barbarian and uncivilised.

Cat

Cat -

I have always admired you for your strong convictions and your care and concern for humanity.

 

[Guest]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/29/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html

EVANSVILLE, Indiana (AP) -- An inmate serving a life sentence for molesting and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie was apparently forcibly tattooed across the forehead by a fellow prisoner with the words "KATIE'S REVENGE," authorities say.

Good.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

 

[Liar]

Hm..

Initial reaction: Booya! Served the bastard right.

Second reaction: Who did this, and am I comfortable with a violent convict acting out his own brand of arbitrary justice?

Third reaction: What does Katie's parents think of this? Or even, what would Katie think?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Hm..

Initial reaction: Booya! Served the bastard right.

Second reaction: Who did this, and am I comfortable with a violent convict acting out his own brand of arbitrary justice?

Third reaction: What does Katie's parents think of this? Or even, what would Katie think?

Katie's father had this to say: "If I had to guess I'd say it's a statement from the inmates," said Collman's father, John Neace.

 

[Liar]

Katie's father had this to say: "If I had to guess I'd say it's a statement from the inmates," said Collman's father, John Neace.

Ah. Note to self: Gotta read stuff more properly.

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Second reaction: Who did this, and am I comfortable with a violent convict acting out his own brand of arbitrary justice?

People disagree with me all the time, but I feel that high security prisons are one of the last wild frontiers. From what I've heard and read, the way things operate on the 'inside' is the way things would operate on the outside if our laws didn't work for the masses. I wish I were a bigger person sometimes and didn't feel that it was life's way of saying, "You reap what you sow." I, however, have so little faith in our penal system that I feel an odd sense of peace about incidents like these. Our death penalty doesn't send a message. Exclusion from society doesn't send a message. Fines and penalties don't send a message. It's necessary for me to feel that somewhere, at some point in time, word gets out that there are ramifications for violating boundaries/laws.

Third reaction: What does Katie's parents think of this? Or even, what would Katie think?

Having a ten year old under my roof right this minute makes me wary of speculating about their thoughts on any matter. They're all over the map with emotions, thoughts, and actions. I don't know what Katie would've thought as a survivor of something so heinous at age ten, but I have heard directly from a survivor of similar circumstances that what goes around really does need to come around, in order for them to believe in justice and the reasons behind obeying the law. It is very difficult to justify walking a straight line in life when you've witnessed first-hand that there is no consequence to doing whatever you damn well please.

 

[Belegon]

I guess my position is a little opposite of Vella's...

I don't believe in torture, but I do believe in the prompt removal of such a beast from the ranks of the living, in an immediate manner with no hope of survival, so that he can never hurt anyone ever again.

I could pull a trigger. In such a situation, while I would not be actually happy to do so, it would not bother me to do so either.

I've never had to deal with that horror that directly. I can't say what my reaction would be. Maybe I would change. I HAVE had to deal with having someone I cared about raped. Although we were no longer together, it hurt like we still were. I would have quite methodically slain the man who committed the crime, without remorse. Friends who observed me during that time said that I scared them.

For me, and this is in NO possible way a condemnation of Vella~la (whom I love dearly); I would have to dehumanize myself to torture, but I can see doing the killing without affecting the opinion I hold of my self.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The penalty for rape and molestation should be....get this...rape and molestation. I guess that's my gruesome sense of justice. I think that the victim's family should get to designate someone to rape the abuser. Let him see how he likes being on the receiving end. That's just my take on it.

 

[elsol]

He's a maggot that got his ass stomped by a worm, I guess my position is unequivocally... "Who gives a shit?"

 

[Guest]

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[Jenny_Jackson]

I'm offended by the shear fact that this could even have happened to an inmate in a regulated prison. And even more offended by the gloating attitude. "Katie's Revenge"? Give me a break.

I find it disheartening to see this attitude on one hand and bullshit spews of "A Nation of Laws" on the other. Make your choice. Are we a civilized nation of laws or a rampant vigelante mob?

I feel bad that Katie was raped and murdered, but the LAW has determined his punishment, not a group of felons.

 

[Oblimo]

I think deterrence (discouraging people from committing the crime in the first place), protection (preventing the person who committed the crime from doing it again by rempving the person from the general population) and rehabilitation (preventing recidivism when the person is reintroduced into the general population) are the most important elements to punishment. I do not think retribution can bring about any good (although I know that many disagree). I also do not think that being victimized (by fellow inmates) while in prison should be an intended element of the punishment. Basically, I do not want the real justice system to mirror the poetic justice of Hollywood fantasy and Greek tragedy.

But I often wonder if any rational, impartial rule of criminal law could ever hold up against the realities of the crimes it was designed to punish.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

But I often wonder if any rational, impartial rule of criminal law could ever hold up against the realities of the crimes it was designed to punish.

No, it's can, Oblimo. But it's still the best we have unless you want to revert to the "Lynch Law" of the western movies. And one has to wonder how many innocents were lynched in the name of justice in those days. By the way, those days weren't that long ago. Lynch law still ruled against blacks and civil rights workers in the south as late as the 1960's.

 

[Oblimo]

No, it's can, Oblimo.

It is? That'll teach me not to post at 2:30 AM local time on a board filled with grammarians. Mea culpa.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

It is? That'll teach me not to post at 2:30 AM local time on a board filled with grammarians. Mea culpa.

Geeze... it's late here too

 

[izabella]

I understand the sentiments behind wanting the worst to happen to this guy and to believe he got much less than he deserved by both our criminal justice system and at the hands of his equally heinous compadres in prison. However, I can't agree that it's a good idea for criminals to take justice into their own hands and mete it out punishments as they see fit while we stand on the sidelines and go nyah nyah nyah.

 

[S-Des]

Criminals will do what criminals will do (profound, isn't it? ). If you hang out with scum, bad things will happen. If you are serving time in jail, very bad things will happen (I'm always amused by the brave souls who complain that jail isn't tough enough...like any of their cotton-candy asses would survive a week in jail). I don't feel bad that this guy got roughed up, shit happens.

I do however feel sad as always when people start cheering over it (and making wonderfully sweeping statements about what "should" happen to people like this). It's that sentiment that led to the torture and imprisonment of innocent people not too far from my home in the 70's and 80's. People are still getting out after doing decades in jail wrongly convicted of all kinds of crimes (with a hearty, "I'm sorry" to cover their inconvenience).

Cat, just wondering...If you're son (just guessing, I don't know if you actually have a boy) was convicted "Beyond a reasonable doubt" of a crime, but maintained his innocence all the way until they locked the door behind him, would you still feel the same about how we should handle these people? What about 5 years after that, when they found out he was innocent? Everybody hates when things happen to good people (especially women or children). It incites us to want to get even (especially when the crime rate is so high and so many of us have been touched by it). The problem is, what happens when one of your friends or family is the guy saying, "I didn't do it," but everyone wants to castrate, rape, or torture them?

Jenny's right. We have our laws. They are not effective enough, but they keep us from becoming monsters, like those we despise. Let's hate the crime, and hope that the man who committed it is behind bars, and stays there until he dies. If he gets roughed up in jail, that's life. But I'm not going to run around cheering for it. It doesn't make my life any brighter to get satisfaction from someone else's pain (even if he deserves it). If you're bored, I'd be happy to post about a dozen stories of "monsters" who everyone knew to be 100% guilty, only to be freed when the real killer was caught later (or DNA evidence cleared them). I wonder if the people who were cheering for bad things to happen to them felt bad later when they found out those people were innocent victims as well (as were their families who had to listen to the angry mobs).

 

[Antfarmer77]

Sounds like karma coming back to bite him on the ass ( no...it was his forehead I guess) Too bad for him he wasn't "too pretty to go to jail" like Debra Lafave.

 

[Liar]

Btw, I seriously doubt that the inmate who did the tatooing had poetic justice as a primary objective. He most likely had a pinhole or two in the prison hierarchy on his mind.

 

[Guest]

I guess my position is a little opposite of Vella's...

I don't believe in torture, but I do believe in the prompt removal of such a beast from the ranks of the living, in an immediate manner with no hope of survival, so that he can never hurt anyone ever again.

I could pull a trigger. In such a situation, while I would not be actually happy to do so, it would not bother me to do so either.

I've never had to deal with that horror that directly. I can't say what my reaction would be. Maybe I would change. I HAVE had to deal with having someone I cared about raped. Although we were no longer together, it hurt like we still were. I would have quite methodically slain the man who committed the crime, without remorse. Friends who observed me during that time said that I scared them.

For me, and this is in NO possible way a condemnation of Vella~la (whom I love dearly); I would have to dehumanize myself to torture, but I can see doing the killing without affecting the opinion I hold of my self.

smiles...
this is something ive thought about for quite a long time.

a) how can i believe in something when i know for a fact that i couldnt be the one to pull it off? doesnt that make me a hypocrit?
(btw, this is how i feel about eating meat. if i am not willing or able to kill an animal for food, then i shouldn't eat it. i am, however, certain that i could and have killed an animal for dinner.)

b)i dont believe i have the right to take someone's life.

the only reason i see that would make me feel like the death penalty, in this case, would be any good is for the piece of mind of the victim.

i say all this and yet...if he were to show up on my front door step, i would shoot him dead and i dont know if i would be able to stop. very contradictory, ain't it? but i guess when you're in a situation where you are threatened, that changes the canvass of thought.

i want this person to suffer. injecting them with sleepy juice and then taking away the ability to live, doesnt sound like suffering to me.