Kamala’s 2024 Presidential Run

[Politruk]

There are no non-racist neo-Confederates or Lost Causers, and you know it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

There are no non-racist neo-Confederates or Lost Causers, and you know it.

Appeal to Motive fallacy. You need to learn basic logic.

 

[Politruk]

Appeal to Motive fallacy. You need to learn basic logic.

Motive is the issue here. It is motive that distinguishes the very fine people from the not so much.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Motive is the issue here. It is motive that distinguishes the very fine people from the not so much.

So not only did you commit the fallacy, you don't even know what it means. I'm not surprised, based upon your extremely and embarassing low brow posting history.

Come back when you grasp basic logic, or bare minimum can Google logical fallacies after others point out you're committing them.

 

[ChloeTzang]

This shows exactly who the Biden/Harris admin is. She should be arrested and perp walked by the FBI, but they won't because they are a pro-Iranian administration. This shows exactly what the Biden Administration are - corrupt traitors.

 

[YDB95]

Then you accept the fact that just because bad actors organized and showed up to protest, doesn't mean there wasn't other people there who did not show up to support the bad actors. Case closed.

Those people showed up to oppose the bad actors. Case closed indeed.

Again, you do not get to dictate for everyone else the purpose and reason behind statues, historical or otherwise.

It's not my opinion or my interpretation. It's basic logic. If you believe some people opposed removal of those statues for non-racist reasons, that implies that they believed the statues were there in the first place for some reason other than to honor Lee, Jackson et al. That simply doesn't square with the purpose of putting up statues in any country I've ever been to - it has always been to honor the people being depicted. Just as I don't get to dictate the purpose behind statues, you don't get to argue this one and only case could have been for some unidentified but different reason. At least not if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Counter protestors did not march alongside white supremacists and Nazis, and you have presented zero evidence or valid argument that proves other people who were against tearing down the statues must march beside them either.

That's because it was a protest organized by avowed racists to protest the removal of symbols of racism. It just does not pass the smell test that some of the people joining that protest (on the anti-removal side) were there for non-racist reasons.

Like I established before, even if we just accepted on faith your assertion that there wasn't any person against tearing down statues who wasn't a bad actor, this does not mean Trump called bad actors "very fine people". He condemned the bad actors fully and clearly, and at worst incorrectly thought there were other people protesting the issue who weren't bad actors.

That's my whole point: with all evidence pointing to the contrary, he insisted on believing some people on the side that supported him must be "very fine people". There's a reason for that.

The problem is your erroneous assumption that anyone who was protesting the tearing down of statues could only have been marching with the bad actors. The existence of counter protesters proves beyond any possible doubt that people showed up who did not support the bad actors.

Exactly: they showed up to protest against the bad actors! In no way does that prove - or even really suggest - that some of the anti-removal protesters weredoing so for non-bigoted reasons. It just doesn't.

There is absolutely zero reason to assume that is the case. It is perfectly reasonable to assume there was people who showed up to protest the issue, but didn't march with or support the bad actors.

No, it is not reasonable. We're talking about symbols of racism that were put their in the first place for the very purpose of being such, and a protest organized by avowed racists. You say again and again and again it's possible that some people marched alongside the known racists and in opposition to moving those symbols of racism, for reasons that were not racist. Are you really not able to see how ridiculous that sounds?

Trump has the intelligence and wisdom

Absolutely nothing that follows those six words has any plausibility whatsoever.

Let me simplify that reasoning for you: Bad actors can protest an issue, but that doesn't make every protester of the issue a bad actor.

Depends on the issue. You're also once again ignoring the fact that in this particular case, the bad actors weren't just protesting the issue, they were the organizers of the protest. That alone should have been enough for any "very fine people" to stay away even if they also opposed removing the statues for other reasons.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand this?

Because you're speaking in general terms, and I'm speaking in specific ones. We're talking about this particular protest, which was organized by known white supremacists and Nazis.

I don't need to present evidence for claims I did not make.

True, but your inability to do so says plenty all the same.

You are the one making the claim every protester on the issue of tearing down statues must be a bad actor and claim it's impossible to be otherwise.

In this particular case, in which the protest was organized by known white supremacists and Nazis.

Once again, you do not get to dictate for everyone else the purpose and reason behind statues, historical or otherwise.

But I do get to say there is absolutely no precedent for what you seem to be suggesting is the reason behind the statues.

Your counter claim is that there is no such thing as non bad actors protesting the tearing down of statues.

In this case, yes.

Which you absolutely refuse to present evidence for or prove.

Can't prove a negative, you know that. But feel free to explain how a person could support keeping a statue of a slaveholder who took up arms against his own country in the name of defending slavery, and not be a racist. I'm all ears!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Democrats......trash-talking since 2016...

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[adrina]

 

[adrina]

Democrats......trash-talking since 2016...

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Idiot will suffice.

He was clearly saying the garbage is Trump supporter's treatment of Latinos. But continue having your hysterical fit. It's what you guys do. It's one of the reasons we're so tired of you. Everything, every molehill is made into a mountain of hysteria and histrionics. You guys and him are exhausting.

 

[ll74]

This shows exactly who the Biden/Harris admin is. She should be arrested and perp walked by the FBI, but they won't because they are a pro-Iranian administration. This shows exactly what the Biden Administration are - corrupt traitors.

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If only the word "suspected" meant something

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Ha! Exactly. “Trump is a threat to democracy” - Kamala = zero delegates, first to drop out of primary- “we’ll just give her Joe’s vites”.

You literally can’t make this stuff up

When real life can top Vonnegut's imagination (and he was a big ol' Lefty, but I still read him), then you know you have stepped into the Twilight Zone...,

 

[jomar]

When real life can top Vonnegut's imagination (and he was a big ol' Lefty, but I still read him), then you know you have stepped into the Twilight Zone...,

Golden Earring, a blast from the wayback machine! Thanks Boomer!

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Mem'ries..., light the corners of my mind...

 

[TastySuckToy]

I don't get to dictate the purpose behind statues

Correct.

It just does not pass the smell test

Your subjective 'smell test' is not a valid argument.

We're talking about symbols of racism

Your opinion, and I don't care about it.

You say again and again and again it's possible that some people marched alongside the known racists and in opposition to moving those symbols of racism, for reasons that were not racist. Are you really not able to see how ridiculous that sounds?

I'm saying you haven't presented a shred of evidence or proof for your claim that it's impossible for non racists to oppose the tearing down of statues, and that such people couldn't have been there for their own protest.

Depends on the issue.

Special Pleading fallacy.

Can't prove a negative, you know that.

Then don't assert one if you already know you can't defend it.

You've repeatedly failed to defend your claim. All you can do is appeal to your own opinion and personal incredulity. You've since added 'smell test' to your attempts to defend your claim.

You have completely failed to defend your claim with actual evidence or reason, though you have been hilariously successful at tripping over the fact you've been asserting a negative. Congrats on finally realizing your claim can't be defended with actual evidence and proof in the first place.

And even if one accepted your claim on faith (which is all you have), all it would indicate is Trump was incorrect in assuming there was 'fine people on both sides'. That's not Trump calling bad actors fine people (the primary claim I'm contesting) because Trump irrefutably condemned them fully, clearly and specifically.

 

[Politruk]

This shows exactly who the Biden/Harris admin is. She should be arrested and perp walked by the FBI, but they won't because they are a pro-Iranian administration. This shows exactly what the Biden Administration are - corrupt traitors.

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She has been investigated and cleared.

Controversies​

In September 2023, a large cache of Iranian government correspondence and emails reported for the first time by Semafor and Iran International claimed to connect Tabatabai with the Iran Experts Initiative, an effort initiated by senior Iranian Foreign Ministry officials to bolster Tehran's image and positions on global security issues.[10][11] In response, Senator Marsha Blackburn called for a review of her security clearance.[12][13] In October 2023, after a review, Tabatabai retained her top-secret security clearance,[14] as confirmed by Rheanne Wirkkala, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, in a letter dated 13 October 2023 to Senator Joni Ernst.[15] Two weeks later, the Pentagon released a statement confirming that "Dr. Tabatabai was thoroughly and properly vetted" as a condition of her employment with the Department of Defense.[10][16]

 

[JoePepsiCo]

She's winning.

The Republican talking heads are talking about "momentum."

Momentum is loser code-talk for, "We're losing, just by not as much..."

 

[JoePepsiCo]

A few more days and another historic notch in the belt of altruism.

Another scalp taken, if we're counting coup.

Another rebuke of the white patriarchy.

What does she stand for?

She's not Trump.

That's enough.

Now

please do not get silly

and insist on a pretend conversation about how qualified she is.

My potted ficus isn't Trump and it would win too.

This is not a Deep Thought Election.

The answer is not 42.

 

[ll74]

A few more days and another historic notch in the belt of altruism.

Another scalp taken, if we're counting coup.

Another rebuke of the white patriarchy.

What does she stand for?

She's not Trump.

That's enough.

Now

please do not get silly

and insist on a pretend conversation about how qualified she is.

My potted ficus isn't Trump and it would win too.

This is not a Deep Thought Election.

The answer is not 42.

Do you consider yourself profound?

 

[adrina]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7431586664725908782

 

[adrina]

Arnold Schwarzenegger Endorses Kamala Harris: 'Don't Recognize Our Country'​

Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday announced he is endorsing for Vice President Kamala Harris for president.

"I'm sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don't recognize our country. And you are right to be furious," the actor and former California governor wrote on X (formerly Twitter).

Schwarzenegger, a longtime member of the Republican Party, added that he is supporting the Democratic presidential nominee because he "will always be an American before I am a Republican."

"That's why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz," he said.

https://www.newsweek.com/arnold-sch...ala-harris-dont-recognize-our-country-1977324

 

[adrina]

 

[TastySuckToy]

Makes sense that Arnold "Screw your freedom" Schwarzenegger is for the democrats. *nods*

 

[Politruk]

She does seem to be getting all the celebs.

 

[Politruk]

Makes sense that Arnold "Screw your freedom" Schwarzenegger is for the democrats. *nods*

It's long since time you stopped pretending the Pubs are for freedom.