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Minister Admits He Bought Drug but Denies Tryst


By LAURIE GOODSTEIN and NEELA BANERJEE
Published: November 4, 2006

After denying that he had ever met a gay escort who claimed to have had a three-year sexual relationship with him, the Rev. Ted Haggard admitted yesterday that he had summoned the escort to give him a massage in a Denver hotel room and bought methamphetamine from him.

But Mr. Haggard, one of the nation’s leading evangelical ministers, maintained that the two men never had sex and that he threw out the drugs without using them.

“I never kept it very long because it was wrong,” Mr. Haggard said, smiling grimly and submitting to questions from a television reporter as he pulled out of his driveway yesterday, his wife, Gayle, silent in the passenger seat. “I was tempted, I bought it, but I never used it.”

Mr. Haggard’s explanation came two days after the male escort, Michael Jones, stepped forward to claim that Mr. Haggard was a monthly client for the last three years. On Thursday, Mr. Haggard had resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and stepped down as pastor of his 14,000-member Colorado Springs megachurch, pending an independent investigation of the accusations.

The escort failed a lie detector test on Friday that he had volunteered to take, but the man who administered the test said the results might have been skewed because Mr. Jones had slept little and was suffering from a migraine. Mr. Jones insisted he was telling the truth and said he would take another lie detector test.

Mr. Haggard’s difficulties are bound to echo beyond his own church, especially on the eve of the midterm elections. He is at the center of several intersecting evangelical power circles and has ties to the Bush administration.

He was an ambassador representing the interests of evangelicals to Washington, and vice versa — participating in the White House’s Monday conference calls with conservative Christian leaders. He was also politically active, championing the fight against same-sex marriage in Colorado and other states.

And Mr. Haggard, 50, was elected president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an umbrella group that represents 45,000 churches.

The association’s executive committee unanimously accepted Mr. Haggard’s resignation on Friday after learning that he had admitted that some of the accusations were true, said the Rev. L. Roy Taylor, chairman of the board of directors and the stated clerk of the Presbyterian Church in America.

“It’s personally difficult to believe, knowing Ted, but theologically, we recognize that we all struggle with a dark side and that sinful behavior is possible for anyone,” Dr. Taylor said.

When Mr. Haggard was elected three years ago as the National Association of Evangelicals’ president, the magazine Christianity Today hailed him as a new kind of evangelical who could revive a flagging organization.

He was younger, less formal and more moderate than many of the bigger names in conservative Christianity. He was soon pushing to add issues like global warming, poverty and genocide in Darfur to the movement’s traditional agenda of opposition to homosexuality and abortion.

“Pastor Ted was a symbolically important figure and a very public figure, so I think the ramifications could be enormous,” said Randall Balmer, a professor of American religious history at Barnard College. “Among evangelicals, there is such a cult of personality that grows up around these various figures.”

In Colorado, Mr. Haggard was a leader in the campaign for Amendment 43, which would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Mr. Haggard’s accuser said this was his main motivation for going public with his account of having sex with Mr. Haggard.

In a telephone interview from Denver, Mr. Jones, 49, said, “When the federal marriage amendment came up before the Senate earlier this year, I wanted to see the stance of his church, and the more I read about it, the angrier I got.”

“He’s preaching against homosexuals and yet he’s having gay sex behind people’s backs,” Mr. Jones said.

In an interview with MSNBC, Mr. Jones denied selling methamphetamine to Mr. Haggard, saying he “met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it.”

Experts on evangelicals were uncertain how the revelations about Mr. Haggard would affect the midterm elections, and evangelicals’ involvement in politics in the long term. Some experts said accusations that such a politically involved pastor was a closet homosexual could further alienate evangelicals from political involvement, while others said it could motivate them.
 
Oh yes.

Enjoyed the massage, but didn't "inhale."

He keeps backing up - can't wait to see where this finally ends up.

I couldn't give two rat's asses about his sexual proclivities. But since he has claimed to be holier than thou, it does make a difference.

And I really feel for his children.

What a tool.
 
Does it seem to anyone else that the reaction on the right to this so far smacks of, 'Thank the lord it's just buying meth - at least he didn't have butt sex! :eek: ''

[edit to add] hehe, I didn't know that would appear right under Sarahh's sig. :eek:
 
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Huckleman2000 said:
Does it seem to anyone else that the reaction on the right to this so far smacks of, 'Thank the lord it's just buying meth - at least he didn't have butt sex! :eek: '

LOL!

Yes. Oh my yes.

One is a felony, the other is just a sin against God.

Or really, really icky.

:D
 
Huckleman2000 said:
Does it seem to anyone else that the reaction on the right to this so far smacks of, 'Thank the lord it's just buying meth - at least he didn't have butt sex! :eek: ''

[edit to add] hehe, I didn't know that would appear right under Sarahh's sig. :eek:

I just read your edited post - too funny!

:cathappy:
 
I think it's funny. :D

Interesting that "Mr. Jones" failed the lie-detector test. Anyway, I'm amazed that people actually think something like this would affect election results... :confused:
 
Tuomas said:
I think it's funny. :D

Interesting that "Mr. Jones" failed the lie-detector test. Anyway, I'm amazed that people actually think something like this would affect election results... :confused:

And yet it has before. And will again.

Properly twisted and lovingly applied, political spinsters can tarnish an entire political party with a scandal such as this.

So ridiculous.
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
And yet it has before. And will again.

Properly twisted and lovingly applied, political spinsters can tarnish an entire political party with a scandal such as this.

So ridiculous.

It's a lot easier than running on policy and accomplishments though. ;)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
And yet it has before. And will again.

Properly twisted and lovingly applied, political spinsters can tarnish an entire political party with a scandal such as this.

So ridiculous.
Americans are so gullible... :D

At times like this, I'm so happy to live in this country. :)
*wanders off whistling the National Anthem*
 
rgraham666 said:
It's a lot easier than running on policy and accomplishments though. ;)

I know.

Heaven forbid the current party hold up their actual record.

:D

(How you doing this morning, Rob?)
 
Let's see...Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley and now this guy...the conservative closet needs a revolving door. :D
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Let's see...Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley and now this guy...the conservative closet needs a revolving door. :D

That would be a great sig line quote. :D
 
This whole thing is too funny.

Bush claims he didn't know him, although he was invited to a weekly phone forum with him every week. (Remains you of Jack Abramoff, don't it?)

This guy was the head of the Christian Evangelicals and an ardant supporter of anti-gay legislation, but he's hanging with a gay guy and buying Meth from him (?)

The story keeps changing. "I never heard of this guy." "I know this guy but I never had sex with him." "I never had sex with him but I did buy Meth from him." I never had sex with him but I did buy Meth from him and he gave me a massage."

Where the hell does this shit stop?

Will it affect the elections on Tuesday? I doubt it. Anyone who was going to vote Republican is already brain dead. This won't matter to them.
 
i think there will be further shifts in the line of defense

maybe there was butt sex, but i didn't come.

there was oral sex, but I was the fellatee.

i am an alcoholic.
 
Pure said:
maybe there was butt sex, but i didn't come.

there was oral sex, but I was the fellatee.

i am an alcoholic.

BWAH!!!

Pure, you're brilliant.

And I just spit out my coffee.

:cathappy:
 
Pure said:
maybe there was butt sex, but i didn't come.

there was oral sex, but I was the fellatee.

i am an alcoholic.
Maybe he and Foley can hook up in rehab, who knows? :)
 
actually Calvinists do believe that if you are one of the 'elect', then your actions do not affect the outcome.

also, evangelical xtians believe that once you've 'accepted Jesus as your personal savior' you cannot fall away if you continue to sincerely give yourself to him (despite 'slips').
 
Pure said:
actually Calvinists do believe that if you are one of the 'elect', then your actions do not affect the outcome.

also, evangelical xtians believe that once you've 'accepted Jesus as your personal savior' you cannot fall away if you continue to sincerely give yourself to him (despite 'slips').

Well, that's mighty handy, isn't it?

:cool:
 
Pure said:
actually Calvinists do believe that if you are one of the 'elect', then your actions do not affect the outcome.

also, evangelical xtians believe that once you've 'accepted Jesus as your personal savior' you cannot fall away if you continue to sincerely give yourself to him (despite 'slips').

:rolleyes:

Nice work if you can get it.

I'm pretty sure these people are in for an unpleasant surprise when they go to their Final Reward. Although it will probably have to wait until God stops laughing. ;)
 
Who care about some holy roller! They're all jerks in sheepskins ready to pounce on anything that will let them, man or woman. Just another way to get power, telling other people how devout you are and that you talk to god.

:rolleyes:
 
I'm confused:

Does heterosexual butt sex get you sent to Hell or is it just gay butt sex?

I wonder how many of those God-fearing Republicans are having anal sex with their wives/husbands.
 
het butt sex:

hmmm. there's a matter for investigation. ALSO, i'd like to know how often southern baptist males have this thing for boys (compared to other denominations).
 
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