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Judge orders Internet providers to help trace online pirates

By TED BRIDIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Internet providers must abide by music industry requests to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates’ risk of being caught.
The decision by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates upheld the recording industry’s powers under a 1998 law to compel Verizon Communications Inc. to identify one of its Internet subscribers who was suspected of illegally trading music or movies online. The music industry knew only a numerical Internet address this person was using.
Verizon promised Tuesday to appeal and said it would not immediately provide its customer’s identity. The ruling had “troubling ramifications” for future growth of the Internet, said Verizon’s associate general counsel, Sarah B. Deutsch.
“The case clearly allows anyone who claims to be a copyright holder to make an allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without protections afforded by the courts,” she said.
Deutsch said Verizon planned no immediate changes to disrupt sharing of computer files among its customers.
Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, which won the case, said piracy is a “serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and providing them with legitimate alternatives.”
The judge acknowledged the case was an important test of subpoena powers Congress granted copyright holders under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
The judge said that controversial 1998 law, enacted to uphold copyrights online, lets music companies force Internet providers to turn over the name of a suspected pirate upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk’s office, without a judge’s order.
Critics of the procedure said judges ought to be more directly involved, given the potential privacy issues of a corporation revealing personal information about customers amid an allegation of wrongdoing.
In the past, the entertainment industry has acknowledged accusing one subscriber of illegally offering for download the movie “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone,” even though the computer file in question actually was a child’s book report on the subject.
“There’s almost no judicial supervision here,” said Stewart Baker, who represented a trade group of Internet providers that sought to intervene in the case.
The Computer and Communications Industry Association, which fought the music industry on this issue, predicted its rival “will be cranking up its presses pretty quickly” to send threatening letters to Internet users sharing songs and movies.
“We’re just sort of shaking our heads,” said Will Rodger, a spokesman for the computer group, whose membership includes one firm, Streamcast, that creates file-sharing software. “This has the potential to really mushroom out of control, to be very burdensome.”
During a contentious court hearing in October, the judge lamented ambiguities in the copyright act, saying Congress “could have made this statute clearer.” At the time, the music industry indicated a ruling in its favor could lead to reams of warnings to scare Internet pirates into taking their collections offline.
“We would hope that the RIAA and other copyright holders would wait until this matter was decided by the Court of Appeals before flooding service providers with requests,” Deutsch said.
The case arose from efforts by the recording association to track down a Verizon customer who was freely sharing copies of more than 600 songs by well-known artists.
Sherman said his organization, once it knows the Verizon customer’s identity, would “let them know that what they are doing is illegal.”
Through programs like Kazaa, Morpheus and Gnutella, a person can find virtually any song or movie — sometimes even before it’s released in stores — and download it for free. On a typical afternoon, about 3 million people are connected on the Kazaa network and sharing more than 500 million files. Judge orders Internet providers to help trace online pirates

By TED BRIDIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Internet providers must abide by music industry requests to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates’ risk of being caught.
The decision by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates upheld the recording industry’s powers under a 1998 law to compel Verizon Communications Inc. to identify one of its Internet subscribers who was suspected of illegally trading music or movies online. The music industry knew only a numerical Internet address this person was using.
Verizon promised Tuesday to appeal and said it would not immediately provide its customer’s identity. The ruling had “troubling ramifications” for future growth of the Internet, said Verizon’s associate general counsel, Sarah B. Deutsch.
“The case clearly allows anyone who claims to be a copyright holder to make an allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without protections afforded by the courts,” she said.
Deutsch said Verizon planned no immediate changes to disrupt sharing of computer files among its customers.
Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, which won the case, said piracy is a “serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and providing them with legitimate alternatives.”
The judge acknowledged the case was an important test of subpoena powers Congress granted copyright holders under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
The judge said that controversial 1998 law, enacted to uphold copyrights online, lets music companies force Internet providers to turn over the name of a suspected pirate upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk’s office, without a judge’s order.
Critics of the procedure said judges ought to be more directly involved, given the potential privacy issues of a corporation revealing personal information about customers amid an allegation of wrongdoing.
In the past, the entertainment industry has acknowledged accusing one subscriber of illegally offering for download the movie “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone,” even though the computer file in question actually was a child’s book report on the subject.
“There’s almost no judicial supervision here,” said Stewart Baker, who represented a trade group of Internet providers that sought to intervene in the case.
The Computer and Communications Industry Association, which fought the music industry on this issue, predicted its rival “will be cranking up its presses pretty quickly” to send threatening letters to Internet users sharing songs and movies.
“We’re just sort of shaking our heads,” said Will Rodger, a spokesman for the computer group, whose membership includes one firm, Streamcast, that creates file-sharing software. “This has the potential to really mushroom out of control, to be very burdensome.”
During a contentious court hearing in October, the judge lamented ambiguities in the copyright act, saying Congress “could have made this statute clearer.” At the time, the music industry indicated a ruling in its favor could lead to reams of warnings to scare Internet pirates into taking their collections offline.
“We would hope that the RIAA and other copyright holders would wait until this matter was decided by the Court of Appeals before flooding service providers with requests,” Deutsch said.
The case arose from efforts by the recording association to track down a Verizon customer who was freely sharing copies of more than 600 songs by well-known artists.
Sherman said his organization, once it knows the Verizon customer’s identity, would “let them know that what they are doing is illegal.”
Through programs like Kazaa, Morpheus and Gnutella, a person can find virtually any song or movie — sometimes even before it’s released in stores — and download it for free. On a typical afternoon, about 3 million people are connected on the Kazaa network and sharing more than 500 million files.
 
What does this mean for people who trade over Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/IRC?

Can they ever be stopped?

TB4p
 
teddybear4play said:
What does this mean for people who trade over Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/IRC?

Can they ever be stopped?

TB4p

Can they?

Yes
Yes
Yes
No. Only slowed.

The IM programs all have a central core, making them easy targets. Yahoo and Aim are pretty safe, seing as how recording labels won't be attacking AOL-Time Warner.

ICQ... It's hard to determine their status... if they're own be AOL or not. Either way, they probably won't be stopped. The only feasable way would be to change ports and server connection jargon so that users would have to upgrade to a version without file sharing.

IRC... They can be slowed with channel closing, but new channels will just as easily open.
 
And if a pirate is caught, what are the ramifications? And, should the extreme impossibility of the internet no longer being a source for pirated music and movies become a reality, what will keep people from making copies on thier CD burners and whatnot? Basically, they want to protect thier rights to make money, but if no one else is making money off the copyrighted materials, what can they really do as punishment?
 
Quiet_Cool said:
And if a pirate is caught, what are the ramifications? And, should the extreme impossibility of the internet no longer being a source for pirated music and movies become a reality, what will keep people from making copies on thier CD burners and whatnot? Basically, they want to protect thier rights to make money, but if no one else is making money off the copyrighted materials, what can they really do as punishment?

Well... precident has yet to be set. There are measures that would allow the RIAA and MPAA to hack your computer and do a del *.mp3 command, deleting even the mp3s you have legitimately (Said legislation would also give them legal immunity from being sued by a recording artist who loses their work from such a thing.) I know a programmer was turned down a massive sum of money from the RIAA to write a computer virus that would do such a thing.

What will stop people from making copies on CD burners is the fact that copies have to physically move... and the quality would drop way down. In LA you could get such thing as SAG DVD screener copies, but in Dallas you'd have to get handycam versions, unwatchable if you ask me.

I'm not even going get into DRM, which is Orwellian at best.
 
Killswitch said:
2,963,592 users online...sharing 616,532,692 files.

What is file sharing?

;)

Considering the fact that 9/10 of users cap their upload speed to 0.1K/sec or less and the rest share crap, pretty shitty.
 
Of course this is purely hypothetical, and what I have heard....heh.....but downloading only from high bandwidth lenders is probably a good idea.....

But thanks for the post....interesting stuff.......But if the RIAA does throw out a worm or a virus.....hackers will unite and shut the net down......it will be anarchy.....and cause the loss of billions for other industries....I hope the courts know what they are doing by opening pandoras box.
 
Stealing clips over the web is for pussies; those 3 million people should be shoplifting every day instead.

Lance
 
Hmmm, heres a curly one.

The artists in question put out music on CD, which is in "CDA" format (un-compressed wave file). All (well, almost) of the music is downloaded in "MP3" format, which is totally different.

A case in point, if the RIAA developed a virus (thus infecting hundreds of thousands of machines) that deleted "MP3's", are they any different from the poor sap who wrote the "Melissa" virus and is spending 10 years in a federal jail? Also, I just did a search of my desktop and the only "MP3's" I found were the sound and music files from Age Of Empires 2, which I own a legitimate copy. Can I then sue the RIAA for fucking up my game?

I'm a Kazaa user, downloading both music and movies. I'd like to see them try this. There would be such a consumer backlash against them that the big music corps and movie distributors would be up to their asses in lawsuits before they could say "Free Downloads here".

No movie has ever been released on AVI or MPG, so just how could they prove ownership. Artists release music on CD-Rom, not MP3 or WMA or OGG, so , once again, how can they prove that its is theirs.

They may have fucked over Napster, but look what happened. Another 10 file-sharing services took up the slack. If they manage to shut down Kazaa, there will be another 100 step in to take Kazaa's place. The RIAA will bog themselves down in legal-ease and go broke, trying to chase each and every one of these down.

That will just never happen, and the RIAA and Movie Distributors know they can never win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what will happen.

People will still trade files, they will just call it something different.
I have aleady seen one site, trading in "ZIP's". They are MP3's, you just rename the extension once you've downloaded it.

Napster and Kazaa and Limewire and Gnutella may all get shut down, but 100 more trading sites will be online before the week ends. How will go broke first...? The only one that wins here, are the lawyers.

My .05cents worth.
 
teddybear4play said:
What does this mean for people who trade over Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/IRC?

Can they ever be stopped?
No.

Files in mp3 format can be encrypted, or recompressed, or otherwise made unrecognizable as music very easily. Unless exchange of all files is stopped altogether, the answer is no.
 
Oh..

I forgot to ask. Should I shut Kazaa down now? Or do you think I could finish downloading the 15 songs I have started?
 
Killswitch said:
But thanks for the post....interesting stuff.......But if the RIAA does throw out a worm or a virus.....hackers will unite and shut the net down......it will be anarchy.....and cause the loss of billions for other industries....I hope the courts know what they are doing by opening pandoras box.

The "hacker community" you speak of thinks that WIN-NUKE is the epitome of nefarious schemes. Besides, wouldn't they have done that sort of thing when Napster was shut down? Multiple attempts to shut down the net have failed... Code Red ring a bell?

In short: The courts don't care about your little pipe dream.

This guy might be interested in your plan, tho'. Enlist him and you will be unstoppable.
 
Draco said:
Hmmm, heres a curly one.

The artists in question put out music on CD, which is in "CDA" format (un-compressed wave file). All (well, almost) of the music is downloaded in "MP3" format, which is totally different.

Really? This version of "Olympia, Wa" sounds the same to me on my CD as in my Mp3. I'm even willing to bet that the ogg sounds pretty good too. An artist's work is an artist's work, if you give it a compression scheme, it doesn't change. If I have a .jpg of the Mona Lisa, it doesn't make it something completely different.

A case in point, if the RIAA developed a virus (thus infecting hundreds of thousands of machines) that deleted "MP3's", are they any different from the poor sap who wrote the "Melissa" virus and is spending 10 years in a federal jail? Also, I just did a search of my desktop and the only "MP3's" I found were the sound and music files from Age Of Empires 2, which I own a legitimate copy. Can I then sue the RIAA for fucking up my game?

Like I said, they'd be doing it with the expressed written consent of the US Congress and the President of the United States. If you were a recording star and had a contract and all you had to do to claim the money was to send your mp3s to the studio and the second before you did it the virus deleted said mp3s you couldn't sue them at all.

I'm a Kazaa user, downloading both music and movies. I'd like to see them try this. There would be such a consumer backlash against them that the big music corps and movie distributors would be up to their asses in lawsuits before they could say "Free Downloads here".

Like the backlash after napster died?

No movie has ever been released on AVI or MPG, so just how could they prove ownership. Artists release music on CD-Rom, not MP3 or WMA or OGG, so , once again, how can they prove that its is theirs.

That's not true at all. DVDs are MPEG-2 movies. Also when the credits say "American Beauty" and it has Kevin fucking Spacey in it and they say all the same lines and do the same things, they're gonna figure it out. Your argument is saying that if you stole a painting, you can put a new frame on it, and then it's completely new painting and you can't be arrested, because it's a new painting and you didn't steal that.

They may have fucked over Napster, but look what happened. Another 10 file-sharing services took up the slack. If they manage to shut down Kazaa, there will be another 100 step in to take Kazaa's place. The RIAA will bog themselves down in legal-ease and go broke, trying to chase each and every one of these down.

Ten? Lets name them all!

Gnutella (LimeWire, Gnucleus, Morpheus, Bear Share, WinMX)
FastTrac (kazaa)
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...

So what's the status? Both networks are greedy networks making sharing difficult and FastTrac is under heavy litigation under the US and in Sweeden. If they make it through the year I will be impressed.

That will just never happen, and the RIAA and Movie Distributors know they can never win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what will happen.

Can they kill piracy forever, for good? No.

Can they curtail it and make it difficult so that most people won't do it? Yes.

People will still trade files, they will just call it something different.
I have aleady seen one site, trading in "ZIP's". They are MP3's, you just rename the extension once you've downloaded it.

OMG THAT IS SO LEET.

Napster and Kazaa and Limewire and Gnutella may all get shut down, but 100 more trading sites will be online before the week ends. How will go broke first...? The only one that wins here, are the lawyers.

My .05cents worth.

Hmmmm. Who will go broke first? A multi-billion dollar industry spanning the globe, or a small sweedish company with no forseeable business plan? Hmmmmm....

Hold on... let me think here....

Hmmmm

hmmm

one hundred...billion.....versus....one hundred...dollars....

hmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll have to get back to you on that.

As for networks sprining up... why aren't there more? Anyways, by claiming LimeWire and Gnutella as two different things you've more than proven to me you don't know what you're talking about.
 
freakygurl said:
Oh..

I forgot to ask. Should I shut Kazaa down now? Or do you think I could finish downloading the 15 songs I have started?

Get that and whatever file is in ChilledVodka's sig and then let go.
 
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