Judaism AMA

[AnomalyLady]

Palestinians don't have an army. Hamas has ruled Gaza.

I did conflate Hamas with Palestinians though, thank you for pointing it out. I think I cleared up why I said it.

 

[Lazaran]

You said that Palestinians can't be trusted on Israel's west flank, and that Gaza needs to be taken off the map as a threat to Israel. That is not a misrepresentation-- it is simply what you stated.

Even those statements do not quite rise to Engelman's outright call for illegal ethnic cleansing, it's still a pretty strong statement about the future fate of well over a million Palestinians.

So what's the plan, Stan?

I provided my plan, Dan…

You just don’t like it.

Gaza continuing as a terrorist base of operations on Israel’s western flank is untenable, as it puts Israel in a perpetual crossfire from ALL flanks.

IF Lebanon gets Hezbollah out of the terror business, and Gaza is rid of Hamas, then a "Palestinian" state on Israel’s eastern / southern border would be tenable, imho.

Gaza could either be annexed by Israel or ruled by an international consortium, with the "Palestinians" currently living in Gaza remaining under the consortium’s rule, or moving to the new "Palestinian" state - wherever it ultimately manifests.

Gaza under continued Hamas rule (or ANY entity similar to Hamas) is grounds for continued Israeli military action; full stop.

The "Palestinians" and their "allies" need to choose wisely in this moment.

Is Gaza really worth it (worth throwing away any chance at a lasting peace and a "Palestinian" state)???



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ll74]

I did conflate Hamas with Palestinians though, thank you for pointing it out. I think I cleared up why I said it.

If Palestine was an actual country, I think it'd be accurate. And I'm trying to defend any violence or military efforts..etc.

I've always supported a two state solution and a peaceful coexistence. I've noticed support for both has waned over the years.

 

[AnomalyLady]

If Palestine was an actual country, I think it'd be accurate. And I'm trying to defend any violence or military efforts..etc.

I've always supported a two state solution and a peaceful coexistence. I've noticed support for both has waned over the years.

Yes, Palestine, regardless of being recognized by our neighbor to the North and a few other nuts, it is not a country.

What do you want for the end is of the Ukraine/ Russia war? Maybe I should switch threads but the two are usually compared.

 

[ll74]

Yes, Palestine, regardless of being recognized by our neighbor to the North and a few other nuts, it is not a country.

What do you want for the end is of the Ukraine/ Russia war? Maybe I should switch threads but the two are usually compared.

I want Ukraine to maintain sovereignty and Russia to retreat back to, at least, the Chrimea annex borders

 

[AnomalyLady]

“They will go back to killing the Jews; this is their real goal.”

Am I the only one having ambivalent feelings?

 

[ll74]

“They will go back to killing the Jews; this is their real goal.”

Am I the only one feeling ambivalent feelings?

It's going to be a long road.

I hope that it leads to a stable and peaceful place.

My entire life, I've never seen such a thing and I'm not holding my breath. I can't see Hamas relinquishing power, just as an initial step, going the way it needs.

 

[AnomalyLady]

It's going to be a long road.

I hope that it leads to a stable and peaceful place.

My entire life, I've never seen such a thing and I'm not holding my breath. I can't see Hamas relinquishing power, just as an initial step, going the way it needs.

So we handed over nearly 2,000 people for 20 people? I am so conflicted. I guess it had to be done. I just wish it was done even earlier. The deceased 28 have no concrete return date, that is just their bodies, they are gone.

 

[ll74]

So we handed over nearly 2,000 people for 20 people? I am so conflicted. I guess it had to be done. I just wish it was done even earlier. The deceased 28 have no concrete return date, that is just their bodies, they are gone.

Agreed.

 

[Baztrachian]

“They will go back to killing the Jews; this is their real goal.”

Am I the only one feeling ambivalent feelings?

I'm not the least bit ambivalent. This year will not end before Hamas or some other collection of Muslim shitbirds attacks and kills Israelis again.

See, I paid attention in second grade when the teacher read a fable with a moral to it:

Once upon a time, a scorpion and a frog met on the bank of a stream. The scorpion, seeking a way to cross the water, approached the frog and asked, "Would you kindly carry me across on your back?"

The frog hesitated and replied, "How do I know you won't sting me?"

The scorpion reassured him, saying, "Because if I sting you, I will die too."

Satisfied with this explanation, the frog agreed, and they set off across the stream together. However, midway through their journey, the scorpion suddenly stung the frog.

As the venom coursed through his veins, the frog felt the onset of paralysis and began to sink beneath the water. In his last moments, he gasped, "Why did you do that?"

With a sense of inevitability, the scorpion replied, "It's my nature..."

 

[coati]

I provided my plan, Dan…

You just don’t like it.

Gaza continuing as a terrorist base of operations on Israel’s western flank is untenable, as it puts Israel in a perpetual crossfire from ALL flanks.

IF Lebanon gets Hezbollah out of the terror business, and Gaza is rid of Hamas, then a "Palestinian" state on Israel’s eastern / southern border would be tenable, imho.

Gaza could either be annexed by Israel or ruled by an international consortium, with the "Palestinians" currently living in Gaza remaining under the consortium’s rule, or moving to the new "Palestinian" state - wherever it ultimately manifests.

Gaza under continued Hamas rule (or ANY entity similar to Hamas) is grounds for continued Israeli military action; full stop.

The "Palestinians" and their "allies" need to choose wisely in this moment.

Is Gaza really worth it (worth throwing away any chance at a lasting peace and a "Palestinian" state.



We. Told. Them. So.

Your use of "quotation" marks every time you use the term Palestinians reflects part of the problem. As long as so many members of each side treat the other side as not having a right to exist, there will be no lasting solution.

 

[coati]

Hamas are good people, you are on the right side of history. Keep standing up for these good people. They just want to be recognized as a country. They are not hateful people at all. (joke)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/hamas-oct-7-memo-shows-104508970.html

Netanyahu helped to establish Hamas control of Gaza in order to avoid having a Palestinian state established under Mahmood Abbas. That backfired, similar to how early USA support of Bin Laden backfired.

Nobody is saying Hamas is "good people". Working out a solution will be as difficult as it was in the entrenched struggle in Ireland and other places caught in a spiral of hateful retribution.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

OK, Laz, Engelman, and BSG: Will Gaza remain dominated by Palestinians on Israel's western flank, or is the Pig's 20-point plan simply a 2-point plan?

Please re-read your political posts on this "Judaism AMA" thread.

Thanks in advance.

The Palestinian movement has never been about creating another Muslim state. It’s always been about eradicating the only Jewish one.

Now that the hostages are home safely, Israel can concentrate fully on the threat posed by sharing a border with a gang of murderers. I expect Israel to place more pressure on the foreign enablers of Hamas. They’ll also set up humanitarian enclaves in south Gaza and encourage any remaining civilians to flee there while the IDF bombs Hamas into oblivion.

I’ve read speculation that there will be no rebuilding. Gaza City will be left as-is as a warning to other Arab states.

 

[coati]

The Palestinian movement has never been about creating another Muslim state. It’s always been about eradicating the only Jewish one.

Now that the hostages are home safely, Israel can concentrate fully on the threat posed by sharing a border with a gang of murderers. I expect Israel to place more pressure on the foreign enablers of Hamas. They’ll also set up humanitarian enclaves in south Gaza and encourage any remaining civilians to flee there while the IDF bombs Hamas into oblivion.

I’ve read speculation that there will be no rebuilding. Gaza City will be left as-is as a warning to other Arab states.

I figured that would be your take on the matter.

 

[AnomalyLady]

Netanyahu helped to establish Hamas control of Gaza in order to avoid having a Palestinian state established under Mahmood Abbas. That backfired, similar to how early USA support of Bin Laden backfired.

Nobody is saying Hamas is "good people". Working out a solution will be as difficult as it was in the entrenched struggle in Ireland and other places caught in a spiral of hateful retribution.

You should just give into whatever people want? Do you feel this way about Russia too?

 

[coati]

You should just give into whatever people want? Do you feel this way about Russia too?

No, Russia invaded another sovereign nation. I hope Ukraine prevails.

 

[AnomalyLady]

No, Russia invaded another sovereign nation. I hope Ukraine prevails.

So who is the sovereign nation? Israel or "Palestine?"

 

[coati]

So who is the sovereign nation? Israel or "Palestine?"

You are making the assumption that the situation in Ukraine is identical to the situation in Israel or in Ireland or in Yugoslavia.

Internal struggles within a nation are different than what took place in Ukraine. Ethnic cleansing and mutual war crimes are never the answer in such a civil war. Negotiations, help from outside sources, and eventual forgiveness are the only viable solutions.

 

[AnomalyLady]

You are making the assumption that the situation in Ukraine is identical to the situation in Israel or in Ireland or in Yugoslavia.

Internal struggles within a nation are different than what took place in Ukraine. Ethnic cleansing and mutual war crimes are never the answer in such a civil war. Negotiations, help from outside sources, and eventual forgiveness are the only viable solutions.

Is Israel, Palestine, or both a sovereign nation? You brought up sovereign nation.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

 

[Lazaran]

So I just saw one of the "Palestinian" prisoners released by the Israelis get handed an automatic weapon IMMEDIATELY upon being returned to Gaza, and he joyfully blazed about a dozen rounds into the air…

I also just saw Hamas death squads assassinating alleged Israeli collaborators in a public square in Gaza while "Palestinian civilians" cheered…

DonOld’s very own:

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!"

(This will NOT end well…)



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[AnomalyLady]

So I just saw one of the "Palestinian" prisoners released by the Israelis get handed an automatic weapon IMMEDIATELY upon being returned to Gaza, and he joyfully blazed about a dozen rounds into the air…

I also just saw Hamas death squads assassinating alleged Israeli collaborators in a public square in Gaza while "Palestinian civilians" cheered…

DonOld’s very own:

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!"

(This will NOT end well…)



We. Told. Them. So.

So sad.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You said that Palestinians can't be trusted on Israel's west flank, and that Gaza needs to be taken off the map as a threat to Israel. That is not a misrepresentation-- it is simply what you stated.

Even those statements do not quite rise to Engelman's outright call for illegal ethnic cleansing, it's still a pretty strong statement about the future fate of well over a million Palestinians.

So what's the plan, Stan?

Ethnic cleansing by the Jews of the Palestinians is consistent with the Law of Moses.