Jose', can you sea?

[jaF0]

My argument is that Momma is pissed and working hard to try to clean up our mess. She's throwing bigger, wilder storms at us as well as more unusual diseases and even Solar Flares. One day one of those is gonna get us but good.

No, what they are saying is that:

The stupid shit people do didn't CAUSE this storm, but may have played a role in making it worse than usual.


On warming, cooling, warming again ..... What carved out the Great Lakes? Oh yeah, glaciers. It cooled enough to allow the to encroach, then warmed enough to make them retreat. No people then I don't believe. Similar, but less extreme patterns have occurred for eons all over the world. Wasn't Australia fairly green at one time? And the Middle East too according to some stories.

 

[jaF0]

Jose' don't wanna go'way. Some folks more or less already wrote him off, but he ain't sayin' 'No Mas' jus' yet Mon.

 

[Hypoxia]

You and no one else has a shit of an idea what happened 1,000 years ago or even 200 years ago in Florida or Texas because weather records weren't kept.

I can't say about hurricane targets but prehistoric weather patterns and events do leave traces on the earth. Alas, mud flats likely retain fewer clues than do rocky slopes.

I've read of such being deciphered in Japan and around the Americas' Pacific coasts. Traces of forests drowned in recurrent flooding. Concentrations of seeds and pollens. High-water marks on the landscape. We know Pineapple Express storms flood California's Central Valley every century or so, and we're overdue since around 1862. We can correlate river sediments with tree rings to have an idea of weather at points in time.

If I wasn't lazy, tired, and half- blind, I'd google for PALEOCLIMATE GULF COAST. I'll wager that some research has been done.

 

[jaF0]

Hmmm......

5:00 AM AST Fri Sep 15

 

[Rightguide]

Global warming at work...

What you reap, you shall sow.

Momma's pissed at US for the Coronation of the Orangutan.

Momma Nature don't give a fat rat's ass about USA politics. Momma Nature just does her thang... boosted by all we've done to her. Naw, Momma Nature just blowing off steam. And Houston. And Miami. And...

PS: Momma Nature gonna keep on doing her thang. Whether humans are around to witness it is another matter.

Well, we've certainly never had two of the worst hurricanes ever recorded, back-to-back within two weeks of each other.

But I guess that's just coincidence?

Last week three times the water of Katrina (the second worst on record), now two weeks later, we have a Cat 5 worse than the Great Labor Day storm of 1935... so yes, I checked.

So if it's not climate change, what's your explanation? Just random occurrence?

Houston has had 3 500 year hurricanes in 5 years.

Just random chance?

You should play the lotto.

Higher ocean temperatures ==> more energy in the hydrosphere ==> bigger and badder storms. (Hydrosphere includes sea and sky.)

The overwhelming consensus of climatologists and planetary scientists holds that industrial civilization has been a major factor in recent global temperature rise. We ain't doing it all ourselves but we're contributing. And we may be heading into a death spiral. How bad could it get? Observe Venus.

Does human activity cause superstorms? No, but we punch-em up real nice. Does human activity worsen the effects of storms? Yes, by building in buffer zones that should be left clear to absorb storm impacts. Are we doomed to see ever-deadlier storms? Yes, unless we get orbital solar mirrors in place to direct the paths of storms. Till then, we're fucked.

Basically, 3 500 year floods (not hurricanes, so my mistake) in the last 3 years (not 5 as I originally stated).

That's not normal.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/08/hurricane-harvey-climate-change-global-warming-weather/

No, what they are saying is that: "we can't say that 500,000 cars caused this storm to be unusually bad, but it's very likely that cars caused this storm to be worse than usual."

The problem here, is that the scientists are being honest. They don't have definitive proof that there is a single cause to climate change, but there is overwhelming evidence that climate change is occurring, and that it's man-made.

Again, if not man-made, why is this all happening a little over a century after the industrial revolution? Why not 200 years ago, or 1000 years ago?

Global warming. We observe it happening. Who to blame? Blame people or the sun or orbital eccentricity or space aliens / hostile deities or whatever.

Global warming. We observe it happening. We observe human impact of weather disasters, mostly at sites that shouldn't have been built on, that should have been left open to absorb weather impacts. We're just fucking ourselves.

Ancient civilizations knew to leave buffers -- at least, the sites that didn't wash away. Modern developers build wherever they can sell stuff -- after maybe bribing local officials to ignore zoning and planning and EIRs and all that restrictive unprofitable shit. Cheap stuff is built in low, swampy place, great for sticking poor folks who can afford no better. So they get washed away. Too bad.

Earth is not cooling. Hydrosphere energy increases. Bigger, badder storms. Oy.

My argument is that Momma is pissed and working hard to try to clean up our mess. She's throwing bigger, wilder storms at us as well as more unusual diseases and even Solar Flares. One day one of those is gonna get us but good.



The stupid shit people do didn't CAUSE this storm, but may have played a role in making it worse than usual.


On warming, cooling, warming again ..... What carved out the Great Lakes? Oh yeah, glaciers. It cooled enough to allow the to encroach, then warmed enough to make them retreat. No people then I don't believe. Similar, but less extreme patterns have occurred for eons all over the world. Wasn't Australia fairly green at one time? And the Middle East too according to some stories.

I can't say about hurricane targets but prehistoric weather patterns and events do leave traces on the earth. Alas, mud flats likely retain fewer clues than do rocky slopes.

I've read of such being deciphered in Japan and around the Americas' Pacific coasts. Traces of forests drowned in recurrent flooding. Concentrations of seeds and pollens. High-water marks on the landscape. We know Pineapple Express storms flood California's Central Valley every century or so, and we're overdue since around 1862. We can correlate river sediments with tree rings to have an idea of weather at points in time.

If I wasn't lazy, tired, and half- blind, I'd google for PALEOCLIMATE GULF COAST. I'll wager that some research has been done.

A medley of laughable pagan superstition and liberal folklore.

 

[MGurkus]

Never? Really? You checked? And then you scientifically correlated that fact with global warming as a demonstrable CAUSE???

Wow! Is there a meteorological equivalent to the Noble Prize? Where in the basement will you display it?

Beside the nude portrait of your mother?

 

[Rightguide]

Beside the nude portrait of your mother?

Sounds like the dying gasp of the intellectually slain.

 

[jaF0]

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect from Fenwick Island, Delaware,
to Sandy Hook, New Jersey, including Delaware Bay South, and from
East Rockaway Inlet, New York, to Plymouth, Massachusetts, including
Long Island Sound, Block Island, Martha's Vineyard, and Nantucket.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Fenwick Island to Sandy Hook
* Delaware Bay South
* East Rockaway Inlet to Plymouth
* Block Island
* Martha's Vineyard
* Nantucket

Interests elsewhere along the U.S. east coast from North Carolina
northward to New England should monitor the progress of Jose.


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT2+shtml/172039.shtml

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Dollie

Before we had global warming we had global freezing. Before that we had global warming, great floods, loud bangs, and more freezing.
There are cities under sand and cities under miles of snow. There are cities deep under oceans. Somehow they got there over time.
Must have been too many cars in the dinosaur era. Or cigarettes and cheap coal furnaces.

I'm not educated but I believe it's called nature at work. We could blame Obama or Trump or maybe women.

 

[Hypoxia]

Before we had global warming we had global freezing. Before that we had global warming, great floods, loud bangs, and more freezing... I'm not educated but I believe it's called nature at work.

Global cooling was a briefly-held but quickly-dismissed hypothesis. Global warming since the industrial revolution is well-established by climate scientists -- except by those paid to disagree. Global warming means more energy in the hydrosphere leading to more energetic weather -- stormier storms, hotter heat waves, colder cold spells, dryer droughts, more mega-cyclones and atmospheric rivers, etc.

This warming, unprecedented in its rise and speed, threatens to disrupt global atmosphere and ocean currents, leading to major changes in climate patterns. Once-arable regions become hot or cold deserts. Hundreds of millions starve.

How much do you hate your grandkids? And mine?

A medley of laughable pagan superstition and liberal folklore.

Citations?