John Walker Lindh---A misguided youth that has suffered enough?

[WriterDom]

John Walker Lindh---A misguided youth that has suffered enough?

The bleeding heart liberals are rushing to his defense.

What should happen to him?

 

[Wizard]

Death.................................It will never happen but thats what I think......................

 

[Cherry]

A misguided youth that deserves life in prison ... if he was set free, he would probably go right back to the same choices.

 

[Wizard]

You turn on your country .............You don't get a free ride...........Kill him...........


If they did that I bet the next guy just might think a little harder before doing the same.............We are too soft................

 

[Samuari]

With ya on this one Wizzy

You take up arms againsty your country, you deserve to die. Period.

 

[Guest]

Both Bush and Clinton gave millions to the Taliban. Now John is the antiChrist? get a grip

 

[Tyrael]

At least they had the guts to let their names be seen.

Unregistered...how delightfully cowardly.

 

[Samuari]

Both Bush and Clinton gave millions to the Taliban. Now John is the antiChrist? get a grip

Nope not the anti-christ, just a traitor.

 

[Spinaroonie]

He went to another country and hung out with their government, and then watched as some of them shot at US Troops, while he never actually fired a bullet.

Oh yeah, that's the f'n definition of traitor right there.

The kid didn't do anything and now we want to charge him with conspiracy? That's like saying a waiter at Chili's knows the CFO's new financial infrastructure plan.

 

[oakleyx4]

Death

He should be put to death. He was over there fighting against his country. His lawyers argue that he was fighting aginst the northern allience. Since when did they get helicopters and fighter planes? Clinton gave the taliban money to destroy heroin crops, not to support the government.

 

[HotXBunz]

I have bled so much as a liberal I need a transfusion but this man could have contacted home at any time he wanted to and been on a plane back home in no time. His choice was to send anti American e-mails to mom and take up arms. Choices-consequences. No brainer.

 

[Wizard]

Nope not the anti-christ, just a traitor.

Samuari ...Thats right...............

As for sd412.........you find nothing wrong with "went to another country and hung out with their government, and then watched as some of them shot at US Troops"

Sorry I very much disagree..........................

 

[estevie]

Death is too easy. Life in prison is what he deserves. He will never have another day of peace. Death is too easy.

 

[Cheyenne]

Some things are worse than death.

Locking me up for 60 or 70 years would be one of them. Punishment to me wouldn't be death, it would be life behind bars.

 

[Wizard]

I agree that death would be too good for him but why should I have to pay (our tax money) to provide him with a good life the rest of his life??????
I have a 50 cent lead pill that would take care of it all...........................

 

[Spinaroonie]

As for sd412.........you find nothing wrong with "went to another country and hung out with their government, and then watched as some of them shot at US Troops"

Sorry I very much disagree..........................

So, what you're saying is that if a student goes to England to study the Parliament and he starts liking it and Parliment declares war against the US, the kid deserves life imprisonment or death?

Wow.

 

[LadyDarkFire]

What he deserves is all dependant on what he actually did. I don't know that, so I don't know what he actually deserves, therefor, I prefer to leave that up to Karma. Howver, if you are talking about what sentance he should serve under U. S. Law, he should get the amount of time, or other sentance, deserved by whatever crimes he's found guilty of. Those are the concequences. If he was guilty of Conspiracy, then he should do the time for Conspiracy. Reguardless, I highly doubt they will put him to death, and I don't know if he deserves it or not.

Just because you don't like his actions, doesn't mean you get to change the laws of the United States.

 

[Moridin187]

It doesn't matter really..

In the end, one of two things is going to happen to Johnny Walker.

Either A. He's going to get life imprisonment and they're going to put him in a small room in a max security prison for the rest of his days.

Or B. They'll execute him, or they'll release him, or put him in with the general populace of the prisoners. Any three of those. .he's going to be dead within a year after the sentence is passed.

 

[ender51]

while the penalty for treason is death,in this case i think life imprisonment is problably the most just punishment in this case.
Johny Walker is as much guilty of stupidity as treason
Yes i too hate the thought of paying his room and board for the rest of his life,but don't feel justified in taking his life.

Not sure why i bother replying to SD412 because i don't think law or logic will change his mind but..................
John walker did more than study another government,he became an agent of it. While he may not have fired on Americans,he could have given information that led to the death of Americans.
He made his decisions,he acted,now it is his responsibility to deal with the consequences

 

[LadyDarkFire]

while the penalty for treason is death,in this case i think life imprisonment is problably the most just punishment in this case.
Johny Walker is as much guilty of stupidity as treason
Yes i too hate the thought of paying his room and board for the rest of his life,but don't feel justified in taking his life.

Not sure why i bother replying to SD412 because i don't think law or logic will change his mind but..................
John walker did more than study another government,he became an agent of it. While he may not have fired on Americans,he could have given information that led to the death of Americans.
He made his decisions,he acted,now it is his responsibility to deal with the consequences

Hang on, Hang on, Hang on. Just because he COULD have giving information means he's guilty and should deal with the consequences of treason? Innocent until proven guilty is one of the main tenants of our judicial system. You want to imprison him for something he might have done?

If there is proof of him passing along information, or that he is actually guilty of treason, then he will likely be tried for it. I'm sorry, but without evidence, you don't get the right to send a man to death, no matter how much you hate him.

 

[ender51]

oooops let me clarify..............my saying he may have inderectly caused deaths was a reply to some of sd412's objections
I am not positive of the wording of the treason law,but I believe becoming part of an organization of a hostile government is all that is required.Whether or not his personal actions caused direct damage is not an issue.His stance with the taliban if proved is all that is needed.

 

[LadyDarkFire]

oooops let me clarify..............my saying he may have inderectly caused deaths was a reply to some of sd412's objections
I am not positive of the wording of the treason law,but I believe becoming part of an organization of a hostile government is all that is required.Whether or not his personal actions caused direct damage is not an issue.His stance with the taliban if proved is all that is needed.

How may he have indirectly caused those deaths? I may not have read all the news on him (let's face it, there are more articles about him than I could imagine) and I may not have seen every news report, but I did not see where he would have access to military secrets.

TREASON - This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

As for Treason, that is the legal definition of it.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm

Edited to Add:
I almost forgot, in the case of treason, you would also have to prove that he was acting with Freedom of Choice, and not under duress. If his lawyers make a case that he would have been most likely killed, maimed, or otherwise caused harm by the Taliban had he tried to leave, there would be a pretty hard case to make for treason. As I said, what he deserves is in Karma's hands, the rest, you have to stick to US Law. While I don't like what he might have done, I don't agree with vigilante justice for him, nor do I agree with altering the Constitution of the United States so one person can be brought to a certain brand of "Justice."

 

[zantac666]

He is as guilty as the rest of the taliban he may not have shot anyone but he was with them in faith. And he should get life that is worse then death if he died then others may use him as a marter.

Papa bush and reagen gave weapons to afgan to fight the russians and left a country to start a government of horror.

 

[Samuari]

As for Treason, that is the lThe Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm

in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.

That is the crime that he commited. By his own admission he made no attepmt to leave or disassociate himself from the Taliban when the situation changed.

But of course you are right, Lady Darkfire, lets see what the evidence turns out to be, and try him acordingly.

 

[LadyDarkFire]

in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.

That is the crime that he copmmited. By his own admission he made no attepmt to leave or disassociate himself from the Taliban when the situation changed.

But of course you are right, Lady Darkfire, lets see what the evidence turns out to be, and try him acordingly.

Thank you, but the main problem with what they have against him now is Duress, and the major clause of the way you have to convict in Treason Trials.

By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court

Treason was made very hard to prove by the framers of the Constitution. There have only been 20 people tried for treason, if my memory serves me. Duress will be a major factor if they ever try him for Treason. He was 16 when he was sent to study Islam, he was in the Taliban before the fighting broke out, so there will be some interesting evidence presented, if Treason ever goes to trial.