John Bolton’s threat to sanction International Criminal Court

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September 24, 2018


The ACLU Just Got Involved In The Trump Administration’s Fight Against The ICC


The organization wants documents showing the legal analysis behind John Bolton’s threat to sanction International Criminal Court judges who investigate US actions.


The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a Freedom of Information Act request for documents showing the legal analysis underpinning National Security Adviser John Bolton’s declaration earlier this month that the United States would sanction or prosecute International Criminal Court judges or staff who investigated or prosecuted Americans.

The request asks for any communications — including notes, memos, and even social media posts — between President Donald Trump’s inauguration and the present that pertain to the new policy toward the court, which Bolton presented Sept. 10 in a speech to the Federalist Society. The request was sent to both the State Department and to the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ust-got-involved-in-the-trump-administrations

National Security Adviser John Bolton, who famously served as the unconfirmed Ambassador to the UN under George W. Bush, appears to view the UN as a threat to the US on a par with Russia, China or al-Qaeda. When he’s not giving adolescent speeches announcing that the UN’s International Criminal Court is “dead to us” – a grotesque comment about a body whose job is to prosecute the most serious mass killings and war crimes – he’s trying to strain every cent of support for Palestine out of the US budget.

Awkwardly, however, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is trying to advance policies on North Korea and Iran that require cooperation from other leading UN states.

Pompeo’s continuing calls for the North to take key denuclearization steps first are now out of sync not just with China, which has returned to allowing trade and much-needed fuel to flow freely across the border, but also with our South Korean allies, who last week called for a statement ending the Korean War in exchange for North Korea’s promise to shut down a nuclear facility in the presence of international experts.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-an-uneasy-fit-with-american-goals-at-un.html

(More comments about Iran, at link)
 
September 24, 2018


The ACLU Just Got Involved In The Trump Administration’s Fight Against The ICC

OHHHHHH!!!!!

Shit just got real, the ACLU and ICC are going to show America who the fuck is boss now!!!

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The organization wants documents showing the legal analysis behind John Bolton’s threat to sanction International Criminal Court judges who investigate US actions.

The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a Freedom of Information Act request for documents showing the legal analysis underpinning National Security Adviser John Bolton’s declaration earlier this month that the United States would sanction or prosecute International Criminal Court judges or staff who investigated or prosecuted Americans.


I hope to gawd someone has the mind about them to send them a copy of the Declaration of Independence as a response to their request.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Tell them to go fuck themselves, John.

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Bolton is just worried that if the ICC comes here to hang the guilty, Darth Cheney and the whole Neo-Con New American Centruy cartel is at risk, along with Obama!:eek:
 
Bolton is just worried that if the ICC comes here to hang the guilty, Darth Cheney and the whole Neo-Con New American Centruy cartel is at risk, along with Obama!:eek:

If minions of the ICC comes here and violates United States laws, they will be the ones at risk. :mad:
 
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Bolton is just worried that if the ICC comes here to hang the guilty, Darth Cheney and the whole Neo-Con New American Centruy cartel is at risk, along with Obama!:eek:

Bolton is a patriot who knows the Constitution doesn't submit to foreign authorities and will gladly uphold his sworn oath to the Constitution by fucking up anyone who tries.

You should take note, oh wait, you're not a very big fan of the USA or the ideals it represents....probably happy and proud to be an oath breaker, never mind.:cool:
 
The International Criminal Court is a modern institution unlike the International Court of Justice which was set up in 1945 by the United Nations.

The USA was signed up to the International Criminal Court but withdrew.

The basis of the International Criminal Court is on the principles established at Nuremberg to try war crimes and crimes against humanity particularly genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

Are the United States concerned that they will be accused of genocide? The ICC exists because the US wanted a system to try war criminals.

But some of the provisions could be relevant to US and its allies' activities in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Russia in Syria). Neither Russia nor the US are states who accept the ICC so they cannot be prosecuted by the ICC.

What is the problem?

US citizens acting as contractors?
 
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The International Criminal Court is a modern institution unlike the International Court of Justice which was set up in 1945 by the United Nations.

The USA was signed up to the International Criminal Court but withdrew.

The basis of the International Criminal Court is on the principles established at Nuremberg to try war crimes and crimes against humanity particularly genocide.

Are the United States concerned that they will be accused of genocide?

They almost certainly would be, if one goes back to almost two centuries ago. I could say much the same thing about England after the way they treated the Irish people, and few countries are not equally guilty. Even now, people such as Al Sharpton would be making bogus claims.
 
September 24, 2018


The ACLU Just Got Involved In The Trump Administration’s Fight Against The ICC


The organization wants documents showing the legal analysis behind John Bolton’s threat to sanction International Criminal Court judges who investigate US actions.

They have no authority, period.
 
Are the United States concerned that they will be accused of genocide?

What is the problem?

No....they can make accusations and we will go to court.

The problem is our government, the US Constitution is quite explicit about it being the supreme legal authority over the US, it's territories and it's citizens.

Without an Article V convention to re-write some rather large chunks of the US Constitution, it's flat out unconstitutional and thus illegal for our officials to let any other judicial authority operate in the US against US citizens. It's their sworn duty to ensure that NEVER happens.

They can however with permission investigate, report and ask us to do something about it.

But they cannot exercise any authority because they don't have any.

US citizens acting as contractors?

Can be prosecuted, but there is a procedure for that if the contractor makes it back to the USA before some international authorities nab him. They gotta provide evidence to the US, and then get him extradited...shit can take years.

The ICC coming here like a gang of grand inquisitors ready to do the work of humanity and fuck up some war criminals isn't in any way part of how that works.
 
The original 1919 proposal for an International Criminal Court was as a result of US President Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points.

It took until 2002...
 
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