Joe Biden has Diminished Our Ability To Fight And Win A War

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The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says​

Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation, and funding hamper military’s ability to prevail in conflict, key experts find.​


By Patrick Tucker
Science & Technology Editor, Defense One
July 29, 2024

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission whose new report finds that collaboration between Russia, China, and other autocratic states is increasing the chance of a multi-front conflict—and that the U.S. would have trouble sustaining such a fight.

For more than a year, the former lawmakers, military leaders, and policy experts on the Commission on the National Defense Strategy have studied how well the U.S. military is executing the 2022 national defense strategy. The group released their report on Monday and will present its findings to the Senate Armed Services committee on Tuesday.

The group found big gaps between the Defense Department’s ambitions of deterring or prevailing in a major conflict and reality. One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.

“Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks, with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days. Once expended, replacing these munitions would take years,” the report states.

The rest of the bad news here: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...r-china-congressional-commission-says/398418/

This is why we shouldn't be emptying our war stocks in Ukraine.
 
Just as aircraft carriers rendered battleships obsolete, Chinese hypersonic missiles will render the aging (16+ years old and up) Nimitz-class US aircraft carriers obsolete, despite them looking oh-so-cool in Top Gun remakes.

Additionally, Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers and ArlieghBurke-class guided-missile class destroyers have no defense against hypersonic missiles.

The Navy wants to retire the cruisers ahead of schedule, but Congress has laws prohibiting the Navy from doing so.
 
Threats

The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says​

Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation, and funding hamper military’s ability to prevail in conflict, key experts find.​


By Patrick Tucker
Science & Technology Editor, Defense One
July 29, 2024

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission whose new report finds that collaboration between Russia, China, and other autocratic states is increasing the chance of a multi-front conflict—and that the U.S. would have trouble sustaining such a fight.

For more than a year, the former lawmakers, military leaders, and policy experts on the Commission on the National Defense Strategy have studied how well the U.S. military is executing the 2022 national defense strategy. The group released their report on Monday and will present its findings to the Senate Armed Services committee on Tuesday.

The group found big gaps between the Defense Department’s ambitions of deterring or prevailing in a major conflict and reality. One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.

“Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks, with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days. Once expended, replacing these munitions would take years,” the report states.

The rest of the bad news here: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...r-china-congressional-commission-says/398418/

This is why we shouldn't be emptying our war stocks in Ukraine.
Not to worry. You are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

For instance, Trump is pals with Putin and Un so that they won't be participating in an attack against us.

Trump created the Space Force branch to swoop in over China with those invisible jet fighters so the Chinese will never see what hit them.

Don't forget Trump's secret weapon. He will replace all the military leadership with race car drivers who know how to manage things far better than battlefield-experienced commanders.

Then two, we might have NATO help. That's if we still belong to it after Trump reassesses our situation. We can count on our Saudi friends for support, too.

[Note the heavy dose of sarcasm sprinkled throughout this post.]
 
Not to worry. You are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

For instance, Trump is pals with Putin and Un so that they won't be participating in an attack against us.

Trump created the Space Force branch to swoop in over China with those invisible jet fighters so the Chinese will never see what hit them.

Don't forget Trump's secret weapon. He will replace all the military leadership with race car drivers who know how to manage things far better than battlefield-experienced commanders.

Then two, we might have NATO help. That's if we still belong to it after Trump reassesses our situation. We can count on our Saudi friends for support, too.

[Note the heavy dose of sarcasm sprinkled throughout this post.]
Who is Harris friends with besides Not Israel? :)
 
The report is factual but @Rightguide had to put propaganda in the thread title - because that’s what propagandists do. Fascists like him will love the heightened government/industry militarization.

The report sites no specific blame for our current situation except for lack of investment.

From the report:

“But for the most part, the commission’s report paints a picture of a situation years in the making that can’t be righted quickly.”
 
We aren't in a war with anyone

100%, not with China, and we never will be. Our wars are wars of empire, on the periphery. We were only ever in NATO because Europe was part of our empire and Russia was a threat, but note we never fought an active war with Russia. We fought with proxies, as did they. And now Russia is also a side-show, reduced to irrelevance as long as we keep supporting Ukraine. The Ukraine war has already come close to breaking Russia, another couple of years of this and the Russian Federation will disintegrate, leaving a rump European Russia which, without Siberia and the other colonies, will be a 2nd world country, approaching 3rd world.

Siberia will gravitate towards China, Ukraine and the Caucasus towards a Europe which will be far more nationalist, far more right wing, and a renewed military superpower.

As for China, Chinese are smart. They have our money and our industry, and we have actively exported most of our old industrial base to China. They hold what, trillions of our debt? No need for China to fight a war. China is all about force projection into 2nd and third world countries now. Much of Africa are now Chinese satrapies in all but name - China wants the resources and they don't care what the natives do as long as Chinese companies can extract what the want. South America - China is making inroads their. Central Asia? The Belt and Road Initiative, known in China as the One Belt One Road and sometimes referred to as the New Silk Road - a global infrastructure development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013 to invest in more than 150 countries around the world and in the process, bring then under the Chinese umbrella.

Taiwan? They will make noises? They will pressure Taiwan. As long as the USA is there, there won't be an open invasion but if there's any weakness or indecision and an opening, such as the US collapsing financially and our military becoming unaffordable, Taiwan will see the writing on the wall and fold.

Why would they fight the USA? We are fast becoming irrelevant. It'll be asymmetric warfare, where we don't even know we're fighting a war until we've all but lost. Such as in the South China Sea, where China is militarily aggressive, but with smaller countries that they far outclass militarily and can intimidate without actually fighting. Pure Sun Tzu. "Wolf Diplomacy" as the Chinese call it.

Add in that China's industrial capacity outweighs ours in many military aspects, such as cruise missile production, and we could fight a short conventional war, but, as Ukraine is proving, not a long one because we have downsized or scrapped a lot of our military industrial complex. The video clip below shows a Chinese automated cruise missile production line with the capacity to produce the components for 1,000 missiles/day if running 24/7.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/interpreting-chinas-wolf-warrior-diplomacy/

 
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Military budget:
2021: $705b
2022: $715b
2023: $773b
2024: $842b
2025: $850b

Yup, plenty of cash for the wars that the MAGATs are campaigning for.
 
Who is Harris friends with besides Not Israel? :)
Don't be a pessimist! Why bring up that loser Harris, liar Harris, pathetic low-IQ Indian? We should be celebrating Trump's win already! It's not like Amerika will be voting for her on November 5th once Trump levels her during the debate, right?

I say let's declare [meaning Trumpians] that we've already won this cake-walk election! It's a coin-toss poll figure right now, and we Republicans have that double-headed coin we'll use. Unless it is rigged, then let's burn down the house this time for real and show those nasty Democrats how a true day-one dictator does things!

Harris has no friends like my 'friend' Trump! I mean, she's never been convicted and gained any Black voter sympathy like our grand wizard friend Trump! [Not to forget that secondary couch fellow forwhatever he is worth at this point.] Blacks know she's opening the border to take their jobs, whatever jobs they have. [Trump said that, but honestly, he believes most of them don't have jobs worth taking. But that's not the point.]

Trump should declare victory now and skip the voting altogether, just like the debates, That's a better idea! Why wait to 'not vote again' let's do it right now!!!!

If he says we should vote, then let the Dems vote on November 5th and crush themselves in a frenzy in lines so long they'll die of hunger and thirst before they get to the rigged machines. We brave Repubs will wait until November 6th to cast our votes, walking over their dead bodies in triumph! [That's legal right? If you can vote early then you should be able to vote late as well! That's freedom calling, right there!]

[The above screed is a tribute to @HisArpy, @Rightguide, and @ChloeTzang. Did I set the right tone and unfactual rants?] That' close, am I right?
 
Military budget:
2021: $705b
2022: $715b
2023: $773b
2024: $842b
2025: $850b

Yup, plenty of cash for the wars that the MAGATs are campaigning for.
LOL.
Trump = no wars
Biden = well, you've been here the last 3 years LOL
 
Don't be a pessimist! Why bring up that loser Harris, liar Harris, pathetic low-IQ Indian? We should be celebrating Trump's win already! It's not like Amerika will be voting for her on November 5th once Trump levels her during the debate, right?

I say let's declare [meaning Trumpians] that we've already won this cake-walk election! It's a coin-toss poll figure right now, and we Republicans have that double-headed coin we'll use. Unless it is rigged, then let's burn down the house this time for real and show those nasty Democrats how a true day-one dictator does things!

Harris has no friends like my 'friend' Trump! I mean, she's never been convicted and gained any Black voter sympathy like our grand wizard friend Trump! [Not to forget that secondary couch fellow forwhatever he is worth at this point.] Blacks know she's opening the border to take their jobs, whatever jobs they have. [Trump said that, but honestly, he believes most of them don't have jobs worth taking. But that's not the point.]

Trump should declare victory now and skip the voting altogether, just like the debates, That's a better idea! Why wait to 'not vote again' let's do it right now!!!!

If he says we should vote, then let the Dems vote on November 5th and crush themselves in a frenzy in lines so long they'll die of hunger and thirst before they get to the rigged machines. We brave Repubs will wait until November 6th to cast our votes, walking over their dead bodies in triumph! [That's legal right? If you can vote early then you should be able to vote late as well! That's freedom calling, right there!]

[The above screed is a tribute to @HisArpy, @Rightguide, and @ChloeTzang. Did I set the right tone and unfactual rants?] That' close, am I right?
WTF was that? I was referring to world leaders/countries. Has she even spoken to Putin? :)
 
WTF was that? I was referring to world leaders/countries. Has she even spoken to Putin? :)
That was Trumpianism, Arphyism, Righguardism, and of course, Chloeism.

Harris has got lots of time to speak to Putin, maybe at The Hague, after Ukraine is out of danger and Putin is on trial for war crimes.

You didn't scribble much. So it was a slim inference there, Saint. I took what little you offered and ran with it. It sounded like the 78-year-old Trump's rants, am I right?

I'm practicing how to speak Trumpish just in case I need to for future generations of readers on Lit. You know how porn is going to be banned and we'll have to do things differently to stay out of jail.
 
LOL.
Trump = no wars
Biden = well, you've been here the last 3 years LOL
You forgot about Felon in Afghan. He ordered the withdrawal immediately after he was slung out of office, remember? That withdrawal was delayed to get some semblance of order but should have been delayed more.

If the MAGATS don't want wars why are they complaining that an even higher budget is needed? Americans should be happy about a peace dividend instead of spending 40% of the entire global military budget.
 
We'd need to train up translators capable of translating from cackle-de-gook into Russian.
We have enough of them already in Congress. We call them Republicans. They take facts, shred them, re-shape them, and then twist them into weird points of view so vastly different from their origin. The translators do look Russian for the most part.
 
The US should only invest enough to maintain a solid military to defend itself. Not the current military industrial complex that uses war to make money and project political power over everyone else.
 
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