Jill Stine, Does She Have a chance?

[JackLuis]

Jill Stein Perfectly Describes Everything Wrong With the Political Establishment

A non-LSM point of view.

Are you ready to go Green?

In a recent interview, Jill Stein discussed the political establishment and perfectly described everything wrong with it. Not only did she criticize Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, but she also talked about President Obama as well.

 

[JackLuis]

Jill Stine has a few interesting viewpoints in her Rolling Stones Interview.

Green Party's Jill Stein on Why Bernie Sanders Should Go Third-Party
Stein discusses her plans to do away with student debt, combat climate change and pay reparations to African-Americans

We need an attitude of defiance, not an attitude of cowardice. Out in the street, that's how we are winning against the TransCanada Pipeline. This is how we have delayed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and forced it into an election season, gotten everybody to stand against it. Democracy is not about surrender. In the words of Fredrick Douglass, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will."

During the time of the labor movement, it was the independent third parties that pushed forward the 40-hour [work] week, and child labor laws and Social Security and all that. Without third parties, all forward movement stops. They're essential. They're not just OK. They are absolutely essential.

I can hear Woody & Arlo Guthrie warming up in the back ground.

We really need a public-interest government that is not taking marching orders from the fossil-fuel industry and the banks and the war profiteers. We really need a government that is acting on our behalf. It's not rocket science how to do this; it just requires us standing up with the courage of our convictions using the numbers that we already have, pushing forward to create transformative change now if we want to get out of here alive in the next couple of decades.

Is Jill Stine the anti-Hillary?

 

[patient1]

Jill Stine has a few interesting viewpoints in her Rolling Stones Interview.

Green Party's Jill Stein on Why Bernie Sanders Should Go Third-Party
Stein discusses her plans to do away with student debt, combat climate change and pay reparations to African-Americans






I can hear Woody & Arlo Guthrie warming up in the back ground.



Is Jill Stine the anti-Hillary?

The DNC is still trying to nudge Sanders to sit down or go out the door. They aren't trying to unify, they aren't trying to make concessions and mollify the people who joined the party to vote for him. I think they are being foolish. They could push him and his Bernie or busters into Greener pastures. Hillary and Trump aren't popular with younger voters. Imagine them trying to fight challenges from the Greens & the Libertarians and each other at the same time. It would be wide open. They Republicrats could become the parties of the past once the upstarts are established. Tuition forgiveness would buy lot of votes.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Nope

Not a chance.

 

[sr71plt]

The DNC is still trying to nudge Sanders to sit down or go out the door. They aren't trying to unify,

That's a contradiction in phrases. It's Sanders who is keeping the party from unifying and who is spinning out his personal fetishes, pretty thin platform.

 

[JackLuis]

That's a contradiction in phrases. It's Sanders who is keeping the party from unifying and who is spinning out his personal fetishes, pretty thin platform.

Yes Bernie is trying to unify the party to be something more than satus quo corporatism. It is actually horrible what he's forcing the party to accept, $15/hr, increased focus on our infrastructure, and concern for the bottom 50%, who are the main support for our commercial consumerist industry.

How can this horrid Socialist promote such a thin agenda?

 

[sr71plt]

Yes Bernie is trying to unify the party to be something more than satus quo corporatism. It is actually horrible what he's forcing the party to accept, $15/hr, increased focus on our infrastructure, and concern for the bottom 50%, who are the main support for our commercial consumerist industry.

How can this horrid Socialist promote such a thin agenda?

I think the party got that more than a month ago, and I don't agree that they aren't accommodating what he has brought to table--or that Hillary is locked into the Wall Street shill that others here are stuck on.

The thin agenda issue is that he has very few issues that he either addresses or knows anything about. That's not what the job of a president is. It doesn't mean that his few issues aren't legitimate and shouldn't be addressed. They just are a small slice of the pie that has to be managed.

 

[DanielBoone]

She has no chance, but for all of our sake I hope that the Green Party strengthens in the years to come, as well as the Libertarians. We need more options, across the board.

 

[patient1]

That's a contradiction in phrases. It's Sanders who is keeping the party from unifying and who is spinning out his personal fetishes, pretty thin platform.

Sanders brought out a lot of people who are new to the process, not unlike Jesse Jackson did once upon a time. Neither of them had a realistic agenda, but back then Jackson's Rainbow coalition was praised and encouraged for registering new Democrats. They didn't tell him to go away, they gave his wing prime time speaking spots at the convention. They were welcomed.

Any time Sanders went home to soul search, she could have said she'd seen the light, thanks to Bernie and his movement, announced that a corporation is not a person, and as such she was going to try to overturn Citizen's United by Constitutional Amendment, and by only nominating justices who shared that view. Follow that up with returning a $1/4 million to Goldman Sachs. She would have saved much more than that by having him drop out.

Everybody hugs and declares victory.

But I guess she's bent on driving the youth to the Green Party so that they wiil become the party of the future. Wait till the Occupy the DNC ( who has aligned itself with Wall Street, thanks to Hillary ) happens at the convention.

Everybody will be watching.

EDITED TO ADD- sr71plt- "That's not what the job of a president is. It doesn't mean that his few issues aren't legitimate and shouldn't be addressed. They just are a small slice of the pie that has to be managed."

Okay. I agree with that, and that's my point, a politically adept person should have been able to finesse this and appease and absorb the Bernie Bunch, rather than risk alienating it. People new to politics see rules like super delegates as making a sham of their vote, rather than as a bulwark against a loose cannon. Since it benefits Hillary, she gets the hate for disregarding their votes, therefore, it's on her to reach out to validate Bernie's supporters.

 

[sr71plt]

Sanders brought out a lot of people who are new to the process, not unlike Jesse Jackson did once upon a time. Neither of them had a realistic agenda, but back then Jackson's Rainbow coalition was praised and encouraged for registering new Democrats. They didn't tell him to go away, they gave his wing prime time speaking spots at the convention. They were welcomed.

Any time Sanders went home to soul search, she could have said she'd seen the light, thanks to Bernie and his movement, announced that a corporation is not a person, and as such she was going to try to overturn Citizen's United by Constitutional Amendment, and by only nominating justices who shared that view. Follow that up with returning a $1/4 million to Goldman Sachs. She would have saved much more than that by having him drop out.

Everybody hugs and declares victory.

But I guess she's bent on driving the youth to the Green Party so that they wiil become the party of the future. Wait till the Occupy the DNC ( who has aligned itself with Wall Street, thanks to Hillary ) happens at the convention.

Everybody will be watching.

Bernie's not bringing much of anyone to the Democratic Party. They are there for Bernie's pie-in-the-sky platform. They may vote Democratic, but it won't be as a Democratic Party member--it will be in reaction to Trump. Most of them won't vote at all, which is what they would have done without going all starry eyed over Bernie's impossible-to-provide promises (impossible because he couldn't organize a birthday party with Congress--he's from neither party and has always been a quiet sideshow--and he doesn't have a clue how to pay for his programs let alone get them passed in Congress).

The youths (the plural of "youth" is "youths," by the way) aren't buying Hillary because she's not making wild-eyed promises, not because she isn't trying to woo them short of making wild-eyed promises. They bought Obama over her in 2008 because he also made wild-eyed promises (most of which he didn't deliver). Naive voters of any age are easily fooled by promises--they seem to think that just making the promise makes it happen.

Youths tend to be more starry-eyed than practical about what can be delivered, given the circumstances. If they got their asses out on the street and fought to elect progressive senators and representatives, they might make a difference. But there's little chance they are either savvy or energetic enough to do that. When Bernie loses, they are just going to say the system has failed them rather than that they are clueless about working the system and they'll go back to playing with their smart phones. If they vote at all it will be to vote against Trump, because they at least are smart enough to not let him flimflam them (and you can't say that about every voting demographic).

 

[sr71plt]

Okay. I agree with that, and that's my point, a politically adept person should have been able to finesse this and appease and absorb the Bernie Bunch, rather than risk alienating it. People new to politics see rules like super delegates as making a sham of their vote, rather than as a bulwark against a loose cannon. Since it benefits Hillary, she gets the hate for disregarding their votes, therefore, it's on her to reach out to validate Bernie's supporters.

A bunch can only be absorbed if it isn't so self-righteous and separated from the party it's trying to take over that it won't budge or give a thought to getting some of the pie rather than all of it. Bernie's bunch has no loyalty to the Democratic Party and only wants to wrap itself in the cloak of all-or-nothing self-righteousness.

And, once again, Bernie has no leverage to actually get a program on anything but naming post offices through Congress. He has no font of power or political chits anywhere except in the vocal-power-only movement that he won't drop his vanity long enough for to move toward the changes he seeks.

A lot of the changes he wants are what we need. It just is not true that simply taking the White House is going to get him anything he wants or that any of it could just drop out of the heavens full blown. Incrementalism is, unfortunately, the only possibility in reality--that and taking control of Congress back, which would entail work that Bernie and his bunch have never done and don't show any intention of ever doing. They seem to think it will just magically happen because he stands at a podium and preaches to us.

And, once again, people are naive about the super delegates. First of all, Bernie is way behind Hillary regardless of super delegates--both in regular delegates and in the total primary votes. So, this is a wishful thinking irrelevancy. Second, super delegate votes aren't given out to friends and family like candy. These are the political representatives from the party and the on-the-ground major party workers who have to do the grunt work of getting a candidate elected--including all of those Congress members who need to be elected to make a party's platform (even Bernie's) happen. I believe they deserve more of a say in who they are going to work for than the guy/girl who just walks in off the street and casts a vote. And the reason why Bernie doesn't have them is because Bernie has done jack shit for the party or for any of those in the party who have worked to put it in power.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Maybe she has a community chest. We won't know until she turns it over.

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[underguy1]

A Super PAC headed by a longtime Clinton operative is spending $1 million to hire online trolls to "correct" Bernie Sanders' supporters on social media. Correct The Record (CTR), which is operated by Clinton attack dog and new owner of Blue Nation Review David Brock, launched a new initiative this week called "Barrier Breakers 2016" for the purpose of debating supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders -- or "Bernie Bros," as they're referred to in Correct the Record's press official release -- on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and other social media platforms. The "Barrier Breakers" will also publicly thank Hillary Clinton's superdelegates and fans for supporting her campaign. The paid trolls are professional communicators, coming from public relations and media backgrounds. "The task force staff's backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize," CTR stated.

 

[great lover]

Jill Stein Perfectly Describes Everything Wrong With the Political Establishment

A non-LSM point of view.

Are you ready to go Green?

The short answer is no.

 

[JackLuis]

In many respects she has not had the exposure of Hillary has. SO here is an interview with her.


TYT presents. The Anti-Hillary female candidate.