Jesse finally did something I agree with....

[Sammyjo]

ok, some of you don't even know who Jesse is. Jesse Ventura. Does that name ring a bell? How about...Jesse "The Body"...does that make more sense? Well, he is the governor for my state. I have seen him do some pretty stupid things since being in office, but I might be changing my opinion at long last.

Today, he vetoed a bill that would make women wait 24 hours to have an abortion. I think he did the right thing.

Do you all agree or disagree? and can you give me some basis for your argument? I would like to hear opinions from anyone who wants to respond.

SJ

 

[Guest]

Oh goodie, I feel a pro life/choice debate coming up...

 

[Boo]

S.J.

I wasn't his most enthusiastic well wisher as I was watching "the body" run for the governorship of your state. However, I can think off hand of two things he proclaimed while in office which many politicians would never consider saying whithout the usual hem and haws, and the this hand that hand deals.

First, on national television at a huge sporting event hosted in your major stadium, when asked by the lobbiests for a new sports arena his opnion on that proposal's wisdom, he replied frankly that the facility he was standing in was in much better shape than most of your schools. (Well, he didn't use those words exactly, but that was the effect).

Second, what he said about the Christian Right and its followers was totally accurate. He had no problem with religion per se, but had a problem with sheep and people whose convictions came from needing to be part of a larger group. (Again, not his words exactly but the general point). He was flamed all over the press for those statements...and never entirely recanted his original intent in making them. Go Jesse.

I don't follow your state's politics to the degree that I know about less publicized stands he has made, but both of those made me look at him more seriously than I had during his initial campaign.

And, you got those tee-shirts out of the whole deal. When I was laid over in the Minneapolis airport right after his election, tee shirts and other airport paraphernalia proclaiming "My Governor can kick your Governor's ass" were selling like beer at happy hour.

Boo

P.S. Banning the waiting hour is a good stance to take as well.

 

[Weird Harold]

Originally posted by sammyjo:
Today, he vetoed a bill that would make women wait 24 hours to have an abortion. I think he did the right thing

I agree. I can't imagine what waiting another 24 hours would accomplish. Even the most fervent pro-abortion woman has to do a good bit of soul-searching before they make an appointment. Then they have the time between making the appointment and the appoinment itself. After all that, how is another 24 hours going to do anything to change her mind. (Unless that right to life types plan on invading her privacy and hounding her with propaganda for 24 hours.)

 

[Renee]

Sammyjo,

While I am not saying I agree or disagree with abortion. I am saying I agree, with this decision. I don't think anyone has the right to tell a woman how long she should wait to have an abortion. I think if a person has chosen to go through with this, then they have already weighed the pros and cons and this is the decision that they feel is right for them. At that point what is the reason to make them wait another 24 hours? I am sure the majority of women that do have abortions have thought it through completely and made one of the toughest decisions in their life. Therefore, I see no reason to make her wait, once the decision is made.

 

[Lajo]

Speaking from the male prospective...I have to agree with Sammyjo. It is not my place to make the decision for the woman (unless I was the father of the baby...and then I would want at least some input). An extra 24 hrs will do nothing but give the pro-lifers a chance to find the person contemplating the abortion and hounding her.

I want to know another thing. I want to know what the pro-lifers have done for the women who "give-in" and keep the babies. Do they offer to babysit while this mom works to support herself and the baby or attend classes? Do thy offer them jobs or training to help them? I always got the impression that the pro-lifers were there for "support" up until the baby was born. Then, they moved on to the next pregnant woman. Am I wrong?

But to recap...glad the law was vetoed.

 

[Lasher]

I've always considered the issue of abortion rights to be one of those non-issues that the politicians throw in our faces to keep us from focusing on the real problem that this country has - POLITICIANS. But that's a rant for another time. From where I sit, abortion rights have been sitting squarely in a status quo for the past 27 years, while politicians take the time to nibble at the edges in an effort to make us feel like they are accomplishing something. So be it. The Issue is at such a point that neither side can muster anything close to a consensus on even minor points - so I have no fear of Roe vs Wade even being reconsidered, let alone overturned. It's a fact of life in a nation of 270 million people that abortions are going to occur in one form or another. So I don't really believe there's much to discuss there.

Something that has always been sitting in the back of my mind, and Lajo touched on it briefly, is the issue of the father's rights when it comes to abortion. I'd like to see some discussion on that....

Now, I personally think Jesse is more in line with the type of people who should be elected to political office in this country. Let's face it, politics is just one big joke, and Jesse is the punchline.

And give the guy credit, how many men can have pictures of themselves wearing tights and a feather boa exposed to the public and still be elected to public office.

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[Sammyjo]

As far as I know, the bill would give the woman rights to medical care and public assistance and such...well, that is already our "right". I mean, they already have those programs going now. Supposedly THAT is supposed to give them incentive to carry and raise the child. The logic here baffles me. Here, we are trying to get women OFF welfare, and now we are BEGGING them to go on it. Makes no fucking sense to me.

I will admit to being a recipient of public benefits in the past. It was humiliating standing in the food stamp lines and accepting the hand outs. But guess what? I have two college degrees to show for it. I wasn't sitting on my rump watching soaps. I was busting my ass. I was and still am an honor student. I am also working, paying for child care out of pocket...all the things that two-parent families do. How was I able to do it? Had I not had the public assistance to give me the medical, food, and cash benefits, while I was in school, I never would have made it this far.

Oh shit, this is really off topic...

My point is, that I see both sides of the coin. I could never have had an abortion - I'm sure the sperm donor would have preferred that. But, I am not about to tell another woman what she can or can not do with her body.

I also think they need to rethink what message they are sending out. So many people abuse the system here, and now we are giving them an opportunity to do just that.

If someone truely does not want to have a baby, she knows that. Twenty-four more hours of thinking about it isn't going to matter. I do think they should give you information about the procedure and all that fun stuff, but it shouldn't be governmentally mandated.

Thanks for your thoughts, I look forward to hearing more!!!

SJ

 

[Guest]

All I have to say is I don't think the government should have a say in what a woman does with her body. It's her own private business and politics shouldn't get all caught up in it.

(Though I don't think there is anything wrong with "Mr. Body's" decision. Be it 24, 48, etc. hours, it won't matter when a woman has her mind set on something.)

 

[Guest]

I'm sorry, I have a P.S. I feel I need to add... I'll admit, though I'm not "pro" abortion I am pro CHOICE. (I feel it should be a woman's choice what she does with her body.)

Anyway (true story). When I thought I was pregnant two summers ago, I went to Planned Parenthood to have a pregnancy test done. (It only cost $10 there, where as it could have been up in the $20's if I bought a home pregnancy test.) There were some "demonstrators" there. They damn near jumped me when I tried to enter the clinic. There were ranting and raving all their beliefs (though I was NOT there to get info on abortion).

I think it's sad when pro lifers will basically attack a pregnant woman to try and "save" the baby? If they hurt the mother enough, there's a great chance the baby will die. (And that one would be their fault.) What ever happened to the anti-violent protesters who followed King Jr?

BTW, I was indeed pregnant... gave birth to a healthy 5lb 15 1/2oz baby boy. He just had his first birthday back on April 2.

 

[ShyGuy68]

In mt opinion a woman have the right to get an abortion if she want's too. Just not as long as she starts to use it as birth control.

What I can't understand is those people that stand in front of abortion centers, and with force try to stop the woman that wan't to get an abortion. Isn't it much better that they can do it under controlled and professionel help, than get it done by somebody that really don't know what they're doing?


ShyGuy

 

[Will]

While I'm against abortion, I have to agree with the Governors decision- making a woman wait to have an abortion if she chooses to do so is just plain stupid. If a woman chooses to have an abortion she should be able to have one as soon as she is ready. I see no good out of making her have to wait.

But don't give Jesse too much credit, it was just probably a political game. When the state legislature passed that bill they never had any intention of it actually becoming law. They just wanted to go back to their anti- abortion constituents and say that they passed a bill, but big, bad Jesse vetoed it. That way they can take a touchy issue that they probably didn't want to deal with, and wash their hands of it. The members of the legislature probably held some press conferences and huffed and puffed a little bit just for show, but it was probably a dead issue to begin with.

 

[Savage Kitten]

geeeee is it election time already? perhaps he just had a brain fart huh??

just my personal view tho... i think abortion is morally wrong.. but i have to be pro-choice !!

 

[DrTom]

Ya know, I am not someone who ever wanted children. I am 38 years old, and have lived a pleasurable, relatively carefree life, with no responsibilities other than running my business. I am not married and have no children. I was married, but its ending was not my decision. My point. If I ever got a woman pregnant, and knew she was going to abort, I would do every thing I could to persuade her to have the baby, and at that point if she wanted to walk away from it, fine. I will raise it.

 

[Softly]

This is SEAL 6 writing under Softly's registered code. Jesse Ventura was selected by Commander Richard Marcinko, the Father of the SEAL team 6, to be part of the origional Team 6. Ventura is one of the most proficient Warriors that ever lived. As one of American's "Dobermans", he has gone into over one hundred countries and taught Bad guys that it is a no no to try to hurt Uncle Sam. Read my stories; "How did you know", and
"Imagine being Sugar." Vantura has done every thing that I have described, except be with Ms. Foster, and I'm not sure about that.
Would he make a great President? Ya.


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[Beebeeblue]

Well, I personally, dont think I could ever get an abortion, BUT I dont think the govt has any business telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. If a woman wants one bad enough, she will. Either in the safety of a Dr's office or in some scum ridden backstreet office. I would prefer to know that at least she would be safe. and having to wait an extra 24 hrs could really by more agonizing that anything.

.02 for you

 

[Lmj]

Jesse for president!!!!!
I love this guy he is a take no prisoners shoot from the hip honest guy.
I do not agree with everything he says but at least he is saying something.
On this issue he was correct in the veto it is just another way to try and get abortion talked about for the up comming election and he took his stand.
Abortion.. I would be hard pressed to find anyone that is pro-abortion. it is an awful horrible thing. I know I could not have one but... I want it to be my choice hence Pro-choice. Also I want to know that if ever I were raped that I can directly deal with the termination of a pregnancy that I could never take to full term. I also want the option there if during pregnancy a condition arises where an abotion is needed in order for me to survive I can have the procedure.Choice,choice,choice some of the hardest a women or coulpe will have to make but it should be a choice.
My choice for presiden Jesse "the body/mind" Ventura.

 

[Golden]

the GF had a back street abortion in London in 1961 when she was 17. Result? Never again able to have children. Ruined her life. Legal abortion is a human right and a matter of choice. None of us has the right to force a woman to carry and bear a child. Pro-Life lobby is big brother, fascism, control freakery, insane religious fundamentalism all rolled together. It's the sort of lobby group and cause I would ban if my liberal and socialist beliefs didn't impel me to fight for their right to free speech and association ...

"I'll uphold your right to speak and be heard, You must uphold my right to tell you that you are talking horse-shit".

I've no grasp of the arcane workings of local law in each state of the US; I'm just amazed that in your country you enshrine the right to bear arms, and that a sizeable lobby then wants to enact an order to bear children ... I have this suspicion that the people in Pro-Life are also in the gun lobby ... or am I just paranoid?

 

[Fallen Angel]

I have to agree with the why wait another day.

I have this suspicion that the people in Pro-Life are also in the gun lobby ... or am I just paranoid?

You are just paranoid Golden. I guess I am going to show my age. Long ago due to a girl friend of mine, I found out about what was happening to many of the girls going to the back door abortion clinics. She was helping some to go to mexico for abortions from real doctors and helping others who came for help after the butchers here had finished. I helped with a few and soon became pro-choice as it was pro-life after some of the girls bleed to death after botched abortions.

I know that times have changed and it isn't near as big a deal these days to be pregnant and unwed. I could support pro-livers if they, each and every one of them. would adopt till all the unwant kids had homes. But as usual it is so much easier to tell someone else what to do than do something about it ourselfs.

I really am for a limited abortion concept.
1st trimester no questions asked
2nd trimester for health reasons (mother or baby)
3rd trimester if you waited this long, no way except to save the mother's life

 

[Weird Harold]

Being a gun owner, and fervent supporter of the 'right to keep and bear arms', I'm appalled that your paranoia would class me with the rabid pro-lifers. 'The Gun Lobby' as you call it is mostly people who want to keep government OUT of their lives. They want people to have the choice to own guns, and most I suspect also support a woman's choice to have an abortion.

That's a blanket generalization, and therefore probably wrong. I just know from my own motivations, that it's more likely that those who are against government controls would be against those controls over anything, not just guns.

 

[Guest]

Well said Golden.

 

[Endlessly]

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but there are days when I think we should legalize post-birth abortion.. *glares across the hall at the door of her RA*