Jealousy...
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Sparky Kronkite
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Criticism has become something......
no one will allow.
You can't give it - and most won't take it very well.
It's little wonder that if you might tell "everyone" that "they" are all arrogant - they will have difficulty accepting it - that is the nature of arrogance.
Most folks can't even imagine that they may be living examples of what is wrong with society - because they don't want to imagine that - they can't imagine that.
It's so much easier to disbeleive the critisizer - than to beleive him.
It's called having a narrow scope. People want to, many have to - beleive only, "what they want to beleive in."
And that's not only arrogant - but it's selfish too.
no one will allow.
You can't give it - and most won't take it very well.
It's little wonder that if you might tell "everyone" that "they" are all arrogant - they will have difficulty accepting it - that is the nature of arrogance.
Most folks can't even imagine that they may be living examples of what is wrong with society - because they don't want to imagine that - they can't imagine that.
It's so much easier to disbeleive the critisizer - than to beleive him.
It's called having a narrow scope. People want to, many have to - beleive only, "what they want to beleive in."
And that's not only arrogant - but it's selfish too.
Denial does not negate the emotion of jealousy, it means only that you are deluding yourself. It is an emotion and temporary. If we challenge the source of this frame of mind we can learn something valuable about ourselves.
The times I have been jealous it was seemed the root of the emotion was comprised of a lot of little things (much like morale). I know too that once I have committed to another person and he to me jealousy has less of a chance to take root. It seems to die when exposed to the quiet sanity of understanding and respect that takes place when two people decide to love. If you are fortunate enough to have found that quiet assurance in your heart then you are blessed. It is a peaceful place and within it's quiet one can only grow.
The times I have been jealous it was seemed the root of the emotion was comprised of a lot of little things (much like morale). I know too that once I have committed to another person and he to me jealousy has less of a chance to take root. It seems to die when exposed to the quiet sanity of understanding and respect that takes place when two people decide to love. If you are fortunate enough to have found that quiet assurance in your heart then you are blessed. It is a peaceful place and within it's quiet one can only grow.
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Ah, Sparky, me boyo
I suspect what these fine people are attempting to point out is that "I think this is sick." doesn't exactly come across as criticism... Expression of personal opinion, certes. Mayhap even an attempt at engaging the subject in lively discourse, or a nice, emotionally-charged all-out flame war... Just not really criticism, per se.
I realize you may have been limited for time, or perhaps you were attempting to employ the power of brevity to ensoul you with wit. Still, I would be honored if you would deign to grace us with something more clearly recognizable as criticism.
I suspect what these fine people are attempting to point out is that "I think this is sick." doesn't exactly come across as criticism... Expression of personal opinion, certes. Mayhap even an attempt at engaging the subject in lively discourse, or a nice, emotionally-charged all-out flame war... Just not really criticism, per se.
I realize you may have been limited for time, or perhaps you were attempting to employ the power of brevity to ensoul you with wit. Still, I would be honored if you would deign to grace us with something more clearly recognizable as criticism.
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I agree with Neale.... come spit it out, Sparks.
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But I've done this so many times on so many theads.....
It's really pretty easy....
1) I believe (I actually know, it’s pure logic) that our current global, societal state, is not only far from being perfect (yes, I know nothing's perfect) but it is also super-far away form even being moderately acceptable.
2) And I know that the root cause is - the individual and collective, general attitude of the vast majority of its constituents – us – we the people, the humans of Earth. It's our fault. It's the way we think - it's the way we are. It's a sickness. And it slows us from evolutionary speed toward any real kind of betterment.
3) So, this sickness goes unrecognized, it goes unseen - because we all are so arrogant regarding ourselves and our self-created perception of "who we are" - and "what our place in life is" or rather, "the meaning of life" (our lives) is. We are taught from a very early age - to be selfish and think of ourselves in a grand manner - we like to think we have some sort of purpose. Week like to think that “our time is the best time.” This way of thinking is dead fucking wrong in consideration of the greater societal health. It sacrifices the whole - in favor of the individual.
4) And when I open this topic for discussion - the mere possibilities of it. Generally to a person - they think it's BS. Why? They been trained, programmed, they want to, no “they need to” - have meaning - individual meaning. Thusly - they are all arrogant and self-indulgent. They literally "can't" see. A sickness that blinds.
5) Sure, society will continue to evolve, but very slowly, as long as the majority of people look at themselves in an individual way, instead of a global way.
6) We should actually be looking at the "big picture" which is to look at the planet Earth as a "human system" or "one living organism." Because that is the only way of thinking that will allow for extended survival. Today you see, we are nothing more than hunched over apes - knuckle-dragging apes - in the relative perspective of the future – our human future. However, we continue to think small, we continue to, "want mine." We continue to think – our shit don’t stink.
So anyway - people just don't want to hear it. Hey, they're sick - and they like it.
What can ya say?
It's really pretty easy....
1) I believe (I actually know, it’s pure logic) that our current global, societal state, is not only far from being perfect (yes, I know nothing's perfect) but it is also super-far away form even being moderately acceptable.
2) And I know that the root cause is - the individual and collective, general attitude of the vast majority of its constituents – us – we the people, the humans of Earth. It's our fault. It's the way we think - it's the way we are. It's a sickness. And it slows us from evolutionary speed toward any real kind of betterment.
3) So, this sickness goes unrecognized, it goes unseen - because we all are so arrogant regarding ourselves and our self-created perception of "who we are" - and "what our place in life is" or rather, "the meaning of life" (our lives) is. We are taught from a very early age - to be selfish and think of ourselves in a grand manner - we like to think we have some sort of purpose. Week like to think that “our time is the best time.” This way of thinking is dead fucking wrong in consideration of the greater societal health. It sacrifices the whole - in favor of the individual.
4) And when I open this topic for discussion - the mere possibilities of it. Generally to a person - they think it's BS. Why? They been trained, programmed, they want to, no “they need to” - have meaning - individual meaning. Thusly - they are all arrogant and self-indulgent. They literally "can't" see. A sickness that blinds.
5) Sure, society will continue to evolve, but very slowly, as long as the majority of people look at themselves in an individual way, instead of a global way.
6) We should actually be looking at the "big picture" which is to look at the planet Earth as a "human system" or "one living organism." Because that is the only way of thinking that will allow for extended survival. Today you see, we are nothing more than hunched over apes - knuckle-dragging apes - in the relative perspective of the future – our human future. However, we continue to think small, we continue to, "want mine." We continue to think – our shit don’t stink.
So anyway - people just don't want to hear it. Hey, they're sick - and they like it.
What can ya say?
Perhaps Sparky it is you that is obsessed with your individual importance. It seems to me you are dismissing an awful lot of people whose life work is to advance the idea of a world society. It was grassroot conciousness that prompted people to begin recycling and there are many more examples. Natural selection starts with one organism having a unique feature and like the stone causing the ripple in the lake..........
It might be too slow for you but to the tortiose went the race....
It might be too slow for you but to the tortiose went the race....
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Sparky Kronkite
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Yeah sure.....
"Perhaps Sparky it is you that is obsessed with your individual importance. [No, I have no import here. As none of us do.] It seems to me you are dismissing an awful lot of people whose life work is to advance the idea of a world society. [At lot by who's counting? By percentage these people number a relative fuw.] It was grassroot conciousness that prompted people to begin recycling and there are many more examples. [It is politically correct driven guilt.] Natural selection starts with one organism having a unique feature and like the stone causing the ripple in the lake..........
It might be too slow for you but to the tortiose went the race....
[Speed is of course relative too - but those who wish to relax and lanquish - patting themselves on the back for a life well lived - are but fools.]
"Perhaps Sparky it is you that is obsessed with your individual importance. [No, I have no import here. As none of us do.] It seems to me you are dismissing an awful lot of people whose life work is to advance the idea of a world society. [At lot by who's counting? By percentage these people number a relative fuw.] It was grassroot conciousness that prompted people to begin recycling and there are many more examples. [It is politically correct driven guilt.] Natural selection starts with one organism having a unique feature and like the stone causing the ripple in the lake..........
It might be too slow for you but to the tortiose went the race....
[Speed is of course relative too - but those who wish to relax and lanquish - patting themselves on the back for a life well lived - are but fools.]
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As a species, we have evolved to promote and insure individual welfare over that of an ever-widening circle of people who become less and less important to us with distance. It is as much a part of who we are, individually and as a speices, as is our big brain (relatively speaking) and our propensity for asking questions and seeking new ways to do the same old stuff.
We are individuals interested in our own survival - and the survival of those we care for.
We are not, for instance, part of a collective organism, like coral or even (in a manner of speaking) ants. Those organisms all exist as individuals to better the whole, not to better themselves. Without the collective organism, the reef or the nest, the individuals are hard pressed to "make a living" as we say in the bio sciences - to survive.
We humans have evolved over mere scrapping for survival BECAUSE we are curious and feisty and unwilling to follow in others' footsteps meekly. We've evolved into a human society on this planet, rough edged at present, yes, and seemingly engaged in the destruction of our home and others like ourselves, yes, but we've evolved societally from our beginnings hunched over fires in the dark.
We'll continue to evolve, i believe, because we are the sort of organism that learns, individually, and that individual learning has ramifications for society as a whole.
Jealousy, envy, hatred, anger - all the negative emotions are part of us, individually and societally, as are all the positive emotions like kindness, love, selflessness, and concern.
We are what we are, for good and bad. All we can do individually is try not to allow our baser natures to overtake our nobler impulses and needs.
World society is a'coming.
Intolerance in all forms slows it down.
Ummm... and i really dislike the thought of flame wars here. Let's not deliberately aim toward beginning such a thing, okay? They're boring and stupid. I always feel slightly ashamed and sorry for those involved in such a thing. (And there's a little piece of my intolerance!)
We are individuals interested in our own survival - and the survival of those we care for.
We are not, for instance, part of a collective organism, like coral or even (in a manner of speaking) ants. Those organisms all exist as individuals to better the whole, not to better themselves. Without the collective organism, the reef or the nest, the individuals are hard pressed to "make a living" as we say in the bio sciences - to survive.
We humans have evolved over mere scrapping for survival BECAUSE we are curious and feisty and unwilling to follow in others' footsteps meekly. We've evolved into a human society on this planet, rough edged at present, yes, and seemingly engaged in the destruction of our home and others like ourselves, yes, but we've evolved societally from our beginnings hunched over fires in the dark.
We'll continue to evolve, i believe, because we are the sort of organism that learns, individually, and that individual learning has ramifications for society as a whole.
Jealousy, envy, hatred, anger - all the negative emotions are part of us, individually and societally, as are all the positive emotions like kindness, love, selflessness, and concern.
We are what we are, for good and bad. All we can do individually is try not to allow our baser natures to overtake our nobler impulses and needs.
World society is a'coming.
Intolerance in all forms slows it down.
Ummm... and i really dislike the thought of flame wars here. Let's not deliberately aim toward beginning such a thing, okay? They're boring and stupid. I always feel slightly ashamed and sorry for those involved in such a thing. (And there's a little piece of my intolerance!)
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Well said, Sparky. Very well said.
We still exhibit the same traits as primates, in fact... we MARK our territory... primates do so by shitting on the boundries of their territory. We do the same with houses, neighborhoods, nations and more... and, especially with our VOCABULARY. Our geopolitical AND societal/language enviroments greatly make up who we are. And look at the language... instead of actually shitting to mark our territory we conceptualize the same concept into our language... when we say things like "You fucking shithead" or "You no-good shit." Again - primates mark their territory with excretions, AND sometimes they throw excretions at each othe rwhen disputing territories (and what do we "domesticated primates" do? We "throw" bombs, shoot guns, etc...)
From Shrodinger's Cat by Robert Anton WIlson
"Most of the domesticated primates of Terra did not know they were primates. They thought they were something apart from and "superior" to the rest of the planet...
Even though Benny had actually read Darwin once the facts of evolution had never really registerd on him. He never thought of himself as a primate. He never realized his friends and associates were primates. Above all, he never understood that alpha males were typical of leaders of primate bands. As a result of this inability to see the obvious, Benny was constantly alarmed and terrified by the behavior of himself, his friends and associates and especially the alpha males of hte pack. Since he didn't know it was ordinary primate behavior, it seemed just awful to him.
Since a great deal of primate behavior was considered just awful, most of the domesticated primates spent most of their time trying to conceal what they were doing.
Some of the primates got caught by other primates. All of the primates lived in the dread of getting caught.
Those who got caught were called no-good shits.
The term no-good shit was a deep expression of primate psychology. For instance, one wild primate (a chimpanzee)taught sign language by two domesticated primates (scientists) spontaneously but together the signs for "shit" and "scientist" to describe a scientist she didn't like. She was calling him shit-scientist. She also put together the sign for "shit" and "chimpanzee" for another chimpanzee she didn't like. She was calling him "shit-chimpanzee."
"You no-good shit," domesticate primates often said to each other.
One primate wrote a long bood describing in vivid detail how his political enemies should be punished. He imagined them in an enormous hole in the ground, with flames and smoke and RIVERS OF SHIT. This primate was named Dante Alighieri.
ANother primate wrote that every primate infant goes through a stage of being chiefly concerned wiht bio-survival, i.e. food, .e.e. Mommie's Titty. He called this the Oral Stage. He said the infant next went on to a stange of learning mammalian politics, i.e. recognizing the Father (alpha-male) and his Authority and territorial demands. He called this, with an insight that few primates shared, the Anal Stage.
This primate was named Freud. He had taken his own nervous system apart adn examined its component circuits by periodically altering its structure with neurochemicals.
Among the anal insults exchanged by domesticated primates when fighting for their space were: "Up your ass," "Go shit in your hat," "You're full of shit," and many others.
One of the most admired alpha-males in the Kingdom of the Franks was General Canbronne. General Canbronne won this adulation for the answer he once gave when asked to surrender.
"Merde," was the answer General Canbronne gave.
The word petard means a kind of bomb. It comes from the same Olde English root as fart.
General Canbronne's mentality was typical of the alpha-males of the military caste.
When primates went to war or got violent in other ways, they always said they were about to knock the shit out of the eneby.
They also spoke of dumping on each other..."
We still exhibit the same traits as primates, in fact... we MARK our territory... primates do so by shitting on the boundries of their territory. We do the same with houses, neighborhoods, nations and more... and, especially with our VOCABULARY. Our geopolitical AND societal/language enviroments greatly make up who we are. And look at the language... instead of actually shitting to mark our territory we conceptualize the same concept into our language... when we say things like "You fucking shithead" or "You no-good shit." Again - primates mark their territory with excretions, AND sometimes they throw excretions at each othe rwhen disputing territories (and what do we "domesticated primates" do? We "throw" bombs, shoot guns, etc...)
From Shrodinger's Cat by Robert Anton WIlson
"Most of the domesticated primates of Terra did not know they were primates. They thought they were something apart from and "superior" to the rest of the planet...
Even though Benny had actually read Darwin once the facts of evolution had never really registerd on him. He never thought of himself as a primate. He never realized his friends and associates were primates. Above all, he never understood that alpha males were typical of leaders of primate bands. As a result of this inability to see the obvious, Benny was constantly alarmed and terrified by the behavior of himself, his friends and associates and especially the alpha males of hte pack. Since he didn't know it was ordinary primate behavior, it seemed just awful to him.
Since a great deal of primate behavior was considered just awful, most of the domesticated primates spent most of their time trying to conceal what they were doing.
Some of the primates got caught by other primates. All of the primates lived in the dread of getting caught.
Those who got caught were called no-good shits.
The term no-good shit was a deep expression of primate psychology. For instance, one wild primate (a chimpanzee)taught sign language by two domesticated primates (scientists) spontaneously but together the signs for "shit" and "scientist" to describe a scientist she didn't like. She was calling him shit-scientist. She also put together the sign for "shit" and "chimpanzee" for another chimpanzee she didn't like. She was calling him "shit-chimpanzee."
"You no-good shit," domesticate primates often said to each other.
One primate wrote a long bood describing in vivid detail how his political enemies should be punished. He imagined them in an enormous hole in the ground, with flames and smoke and RIVERS OF SHIT. This primate was named Dante Alighieri.
ANother primate wrote that every primate infant goes through a stage of being chiefly concerned wiht bio-survival, i.e. food, .e.e. Mommie's Titty. He called this the Oral Stage. He said the infant next went on to a stange of learning mammalian politics, i.e. recognizing the Father (alpha-male) and his Authority and territorial demands. He called this, with an insight that few primates shared, the Anal Stage.
This primate was named Freud. He had taken his own nervous system apart adn examined its component circuits by periodically altering its structure with neurochemicals.
Among the anal insults exchanged by domesticated primates when fighting for their space were: "Up your ass," "Go shit in your hat," "You're full of shit," and many others.
One of the most admired alpha-males in the Kingdom of the Franks was General Canbronne. General Canbronne won this adulation for the answer he once gave when asked to surrender.
"Merde," was the answer General Canbronne gave.
The word petard means a kind of bomb. It comes from the same Olde English root as fart.
General Canbronne's mentality was typical of the alpha-males of the military caste.
When primates went to war or got violent in other ways, they always said they were about to knock the shit out of the eneby.
They also spoke of dumping on each other..."
bluntforcemama
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Perhaps we should ALL stop with the nasty inuendos and backhanded snobbery. Some of us are well-intentioned, some of us aren't. I think this thread was started to catalyze some flame wars. There's nothing innocent about it.
plasticman33
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I don't have a jealous bone in my body!
Unless I catch someone cheating on me! Then I grow a big one!
Unless I catch someone cheating on me! Then I grow a big one!
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Admit it *bratcat*, Myst is right, you DELIBERATELY started this thread to start a flame war.
Oh, yes, it seemed like an innocent question but at the back of bratcat's brain there lays a sinister, black-hearted creature that's only existence is to destroy this board. (*gasps and faints from the audience*)
In fact ALL of your thread, every single last post was designed to rip down this board, to start a civil flame war. A magnum opus to your evil reign of terror.
Back!
Back foul being!
Back to the dark pits of Hades that spawned you!
Oh, yes, it seemed like an innocent question but at the back of bratcat's brain there lays a sinister, black-hearted creature that's only existence is to destroy this board. (*gasps and faints from the audience*)
In fact ALL of your thread, every single last post was designed to rip down this board, to start a civil flame war. A magnum opus to your evil reign of terror.
Back!
Back foul being!
Back to the dark pits of Hades that spawned you!
plasticman33
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What?
Cheating or growing a big one?
Cheating or growing a big one?
XXplorher
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From my perspective:
Jealousy, and envy – are 2 VERY different things. So – what’s the actual definition of jealousy?
To me it means ‘I am feeling less than.’ Or ‘I am now feeling insecure’ based on something my lover did, or feels. Since I’m a Leo, that shit hits me often. We’re every bit as insecure as we are certain and self-righteous (at least I’m aware of it, eh). We need constant reassurance. And we need the security of knowing our glory is recognized, appreciated and dedicated to (I know that sounds scary arrogant, but it’s truth. And like I said, it stems from insecurity, so I’m not glorifying mySELF there). That’s how you get in trouble with jealousy – by thinking you’re the shit, but not being totally certain. Yup. So jealousy is a thorn in my side, eh.
HOWEVER, in no way do I ever look at someone/something else, whether they’re the source of my lovers wandering eye or not, and go – ‘I wish I was them, or that’. THAT’S envy. And THAT’S the difference.
Envy is a lack of love for ones self.
Jealousy is a reaction to insecurity of ones worth.
(What, did I suddenly fucking become Websters? No idea why I felt the need to post that. Oh yeah, it must be to reassure myself that I’m glorious. Yeah, that was it….. ; P)
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PS Sparky, watch the hypocrisy, bro. Rewind and take a good look at WHAT you’ve been saying, and HOW you’ve been saying it, eh. (‘Acceptance is the key? As long as it fits your criteria?’ I find that damn amusing. And btw – maybe you should read Ayn Rand? Your theory reads much like Ellsworth Toohey. If you read ‘The Fountainhead’ [thanks Laurel - it mattered], you may discover that theory is flawed. It’s called communism… and it didn’t work. You may want to rethink that. Lest you wake up one morning as a ‘Borg’. Alternate thinking and individual ideas are what ‘create’, my friend. Propel. THAT'S evolution. To pattern after is to stagnate. Is that not fact? Take a look at history...)
It’s obvious to me you’re an individual thinker – which makes your subscribed theory all the more perplexing.
PPS Noticing someone named ‘Lazer’ is a clear thinker.
Jealousy, and envy – are 2 VERY different things. So – what’s the actual definition of jealousy?
To me it means ‘I am feeling less than.’ Or ‘I am now feeling insecure’ based on something my lover did, or feels. Since I’m a Leo, that shit hits me often. We’re every bit as insecure as we are certain and self-righteous (at least I’m aware of it, eh). We need constant reassurance. And we need the security of knowing our glory is recognized, appreciated and dedicated to (I know that sounds scary arrogant, but it’s truth. And like I said, it stems from insecurity, so I’m not glorifying mySELF there). That’s how you get in trouble with jealousy – by thinking you’re the shit, but not being totally certain. Yup. So jealousy is a thorn in my side, eh.
HOWEVER, in no way do I ever look at someone/something else, whether they’re the source of my lovers wandering eye or not, and go – ‘I wish I was them, or that’. THAT’S envy. And THAT’S the difference.
Envy is a lack of love for ones self.
Jealousy is a reaction to insecurity of ones worth.
(What, did I suddenly fucking become Websters? No idea why I felt the need to post that. Oh yeah, it must be to reassure myself that I’m glorious. Yeah, that was it….. ; P)
-out
PS Sparky, watch the hypocrisy, bro. Rewind and take a good look at WHAT you’ve been saying, and HOW you’ve been saying it, eh. (‘Acceptance is the key? As long as it fits your criteria?’ I find that damn amusing. And btw – maybe you should read Ayn Rand? Your theory reads much like Ellsworth Toohey. If you read ‘The Fountainhead’ [thanks Laurel - it mattered], you may discover that theory is flawed. It’s called communism… and it didn’t work. You may want to rethink that. Lest you wake up one morning as a ‘Borg’. Alternate thinking and individual ideas are what ‘create’, my friend. Propel. THAT'S evolution. To pattern after is to stagnate. Is that not fact? Take a look at history...)
It’s obvious to me you’re an individual thinker – which makes your subscribed theory all the more perplexing.
PPS Noticing someone named ‘Lazer’ is a clear thinker.
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XXplorher...why dont you stick around more???
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