Janet Jackson Bondage Proponent? Discuss

[esclave_PP]

Okay, came across this:

Janet Jackson, new Bondage Proponent?

Chicago, IL - A reporter from The Star Tribune interviewed Janet Jackson prior to her Chicago performance Saturday before last. During the course of the conversation she was quizzed about "R ope Burn," a song from her current album, "The Velvet Rope." Despite suggestive lyrics to the contrary, Jackson said the song isn't about bondage.

"I don't see 'Rope Burn' as bondage," she said. "That was the thing that everyone was so drawn to the first time they heard the album -- that one song as opposed to the real message of the album, about looking inward and finding out who you are."

Nonetheless, Jackson was very supportive of BDSM, or at least bondage... and hinted broadly that she enjoyed it herself. "As far as bondage goes, there's certain things that I find very sexy. I don't think there's anything wrong with anticipating your lov er's every move with a blindfold and having your hands bound. There comes a point for myself where it becomes too much; that's, to me, where bondage comes in."


(Source: The Star Tribune)

That being said, what do you think or feel about celebrities being spokespeople for the lifestyle?

Discuss

 

[NCShin]

I think it's pretty funny.

but at the same time at least she's not out there saying that we've all been abused as children. So I guess someone that gets heard saying something good can't be all that bad.

If there was a big name who supported BDSM or even bedroom game style bondage in a big way I think there would be a large influx of thier vanilla fans wanting to try it, or admitting they had already tried it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm not sure they intend to be seen as spokespeople as much as they are in the public view and as such have the same right as everyone to speak about anything and everything and in doing so, may express their opinions if they are comfortable with it. Often they are asked to comment on particular issues.....some do, some decline. I think any time it is a positive message though it can only be seen as a positive in that it does lend a validity and acceptance to it, as stupid as that may be. Many use their position of influence to help others less fortunate in various life circumstances....most are ostracised and criticised for it though, which I think is sad. Sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't mentality...they just can't win either way they go.

Catalina

 

[sigsauerprinces]

at least she's somewhat positive about it..thats a start. im still waiting for the day that a major star comes out and admits to actively being into bdsm.

 

[MissTaken]

As for celebrities speaking out concerning bondage?

It can be a very good thing in terms of encouraging awareness and tolerance.

It also can be a very bad thing, depending on the celebrity. What if it were not Janet Jackson, but Michael Jackson who was speaking out in tolerance and support of BDSM?

 

[James G 5]

where the heck did you find THAT?
It's several years out of date
there was a HUGE public furor when it occured & a ton of media discussion about it & about BDSM
Several outlets interviewed Janet about it
Part of her stage act was bringing a guy up on stage & tying him to a chair while she & several scantily clad dancers writhed on him
She spoke very well on the topic in the interviews
And the performance was hot

 

[catalina_francisco]

where the heck did you find THAT?
It's several years out of date
there was a HUGE public furor when it occured & a ton of media discussion about it & about BDSM
Several outlets interviewed Janet about it
Part of her stage act was bringing a guy up on stage & tying him to a chair while she & several scantily clad dancers writhed on him
She spoke very well on the topic in the interviews
And the performance was hot

..And as JJ says The Velvet Rope is autobiographical of her most traumatic period in life when she was coming to terms with many things including her experiences of abuse. A gutsy lady with a lot of class.

Catalina

 

[James G 5]

..And as JJ says The Velvet Rope is autobiographical of her most traumatic period in life when she was coming to terms with many things including her experiences of abuse. A gutsy lady with a lot of class.

Catalina

Too bad her brother couldn't take a few lessons

 

[catalina_francisco]

Too bad her brother couldn't take a few lessons

Have to disagree...think they are both beautiful, but the world we know is always suspicious of anyone helping another, feeling that no-one does so without expecting something in return. Some don't, they just do from a perspective they are able to where others are not so fortunate...and of course there is that urge people feel to bring down those who have achieved success.

Catalina

 

[James G 5]

Have to disagree...think they are both beautiful, but the world we know is always suspicious of anyone helping another, feeling that no-one does so without expecting something in return. Some don't, they just do from a perspective they are able to where others are not so fortunate...and of course there is that urge people feel to bring down those who have achieved success.

Catalina

I will bet you $1 (US) via Pay-Pal, or a good bottle of wine to be exchanged in person should we ever meet (your choice), that eventually it's proven Michael is a child molestor.

 

[Mr. Bootie]

We all new Janet was a freak.

I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean that she likes to get her freak on. Janet is switch I think. It's all good. I'm pretty sure she has participated in bdsm play on some level. Go Janet!!

 

[WriterDom]

Funny, I was just talking to a friend on the phone today and she had that song playing.


Rope Burn Lyrics

Chorus:

Tie me up tie me down

Make me moan real loud

Take off my clothes

No one has to know

Whisperin'

I wanna feel a soft rope burn

Wanna feel a rope burn



When you walked in the room

You knew just what to do

You could have gone from door to door

But you knew just where to go to

Come into my velvet rope

And tell me fantasies

The passion in your voice I wanna hear

As you start to tell me

While you're at it take the blind fold

Tie it gently on me

Don't wanna see but feel the things

You're gonna do to me



Repeat Chorus

 

[cellis]

Funny, I was just talking to a friend on the phone today and she had that song playing.


Rope Burn Lyrics

Chorus:

Tie me up tie me down

Make me moan real loud

Take off my clothes

No one has to know

Whisperin'

I wanna feel a soft rope burn

Wanna feel a rope burn



When you walked in the room

You knew just what to do

You could have gone from door to door

But you knew just where to go to

Come into my velvet rope

And tell me fantasies

The passion in your voice I wanna hear

As you start to tell me

While you're at it take the blind fold

Tie it gently on me

Don't wanna see but feel the things

You're gonna do to me



Repeat Chorus

I must see if this is available at the record club... that is hot!

 

[catalina_francisco]

I will bet you $1 (US) via Pay-Pal, or a good bottle of wine to be exchanged in person should we ever meet (your choice), that eventually it's proven Michael is a child molestor.

Mmmmm, I notice you are not too keen to put much behind your conviction. But I agree in one part, I do not see it as impossible he will be 'proven' a child molester given he is being tried in a system proven corrupt on countless occasions, and in a way which had to have laws changed specifically to try and catch him, one man...and admitted to by the DA who has declared it was personal on his part and has had to already admit to discrepencies in his claims, not to mention despite countless pleas for others to come forward with complaints, no-one has in 10 years.

Interestingluy for me is a law which is created to supposedly protect children and will force them by law to have charges laid despite their or their parents wishes, to face their attacker in court and testify whether they are emotionally or psychologically capable to or even want to, actually in cases of real child sexual abuse will risk harming children more than helping them....and their saviour DA's response? That is of no consequence when I am going after someone who I hate the music of and would never allow my children to listen to. Now who is the mentally balanced party in all this? Certainly doesn't sound like the DA to me. And where is this truth and justice? Not in his world (the DA)that's for sure.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Geez you have to admire the US adherence to tradition. Poor Janet gets banished from the Grammys and hounded non stop despite her apologies for offence since the all so shocking exposure of breast. Interestingly Justin the Ripper who has had less to say in the apologies stakes is not banned from the Grammys or harrassed as near much from what we hear in Europe....but then I guess he gets special priviledge as we all know women are always responsible while men are not, and after all he is Justin the Britney cherry popper and that must warrant stud hero status and protection for being so male, white, and supposedly gifted. Yeah right .Anyone would think the US had never seen a breast....so shocking in the 21st century!!

Catalina

 

[Madame Manga]

Anyone would think the US had never seen a breast....so shocking in the 21st century!!

The only real mistake made was doing it in an election year.

MM

 

[SexyChele]

Personally, I don't think that just because an individual likes or has tried being tied up during a sexual encounter makes him/her some sort of spokesperson for BDSM. There are many, many people who find themselves repulsed at the idea of BDSM, but have no reservations at the supposed "naughtiness" of being tied up (or of tying some one else up).

Also, it's become the "in" thing to attempt to let others think one has a kinky streak - as long as they aren't fully into the whole BDSM thing!

The song lyrics may be hot, but they are just words sung to music. If Janet Jackson is truly "into" BDSM or not is her own person business and I doubt if anyone outside of herself and her partners knows just how serious her involvement is.

I don't think I would call her some sort of spokesperson, though.

 

[SexyChele]

Geez you have to admire the US adherence to tradition. Poor Janet gets banished from the Grammys and hounded non stop despite her apologies for offence since the all so shocking exposure of breast. Interestingly Justin the Ripper who has had less to say in the apologies stakes is not banned from the Grammys or harrassed as near much from what we hear in Europe....but then I guess he gets special priviledge as we all know women are always responsible while men are not, and after all he is Justin the Britney cherry popper and that must warrant stud hero status and protection for being so male, white, and supposedly gifted. Yeah right .Anyone would think the US had never seen a breast....so shocking in the 21st century!!

Catalina

The fact Justin hasn't taken as much heat here in the US is because the way Janet Jackson worded her "apology" made it seem that the entire idea was hers. She herself made it seem as though no one but her (and the wardrobe mistress??) knew of what was really going to happen. Is that true? Did Justin have a clue? Who knows? Who really cares? Janet Jackson's stunt will live with her - good or bad - for the rest of her life. She has a boobie. Yeah, and so? She chose to expose that boobie on national television during an event that was supposed to be "family friendly." She knows the US consciousness. She is not some naive teen-ager. She knew the risks going in. She chose to take those risks. And now she is reaping what she sowed, for good or bad.

And we won't know how good or bad it was until her CD is released, now, will we?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Now this is good to hear and begins to put things into perspective.

Janet Jackson Awarded for Charity Work
Sat Feb 14, 2:47 PM ET


BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - In her first public appearance since her breast was exposed during the Super Bowl halftime show, Janet Jackson (news) received an award for her humanitarian and charitable contributions.


AP Photo


Reuters Photo
Slideshow: Michael Jackson




Behind the Bench, an association of wives of NBA players, honored Jackson at their annual fund-raiser Friday at the Beverly Hills Hotel.


"She has done a wonderful job giving back to communities across America. That fact has not changed," Behind the Bench spokesman Vince McCaskill said. "She was on board with this seven months ago. We never even considered her not being here."


Jackson had not appeared in public since singer Justin Timberlake (news) tore off part of her costume, exposing her breast, during a performance in front of some 90 million television viewers. The stunt prompted a Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) investigation, and Jackson released a videotaped apology. Timberlake also apologized.


Behind the Bench, formed in 1995, has raised nearly $1 million for charities in Los Angeles, the host city of this year's NBA All-Star game.


Previous award recipients include Hank Aaron, Muhammad Ali, Dorothy Height, Alonzo Mourning and David Robinson.


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Catalina

 

[Netzach]

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[Netzach]

You know what I think is trashy and low down?

Her people tried to blame Demask, the garment maker when they definitely altered the piece to detach.

(on good authority)

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... Part of her stage act was bringing a guy up on stage & tying him to a chair while she & several scantily clad dancers writhed on him ... And the performance was hot

Yes, it was, 4th row center ... and the poor guy was sweating bullets in this town.

As for her breast exposure, i find it interesting that the same people that decry her performance are the same ones that buy the National Enquirer magazine crammed full of papparazi invasions of privacy.

It's a breast. It's major function is to provide nutruition to a baby. The secondary function is to attract a mate. If you have to hop and down over stupid chit, bitch about the ads at halftime. Better yet, where the hell were you when the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders were more popular than the so called America's Team?

Get a life and get over your morality.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Now this is good to hear and begins to put things into perspective ...

Catalina

And another item ... she decided to sing this as the lead in to a VH1 Fashion show not long ago.

All the producers thought it the worst idea they'd ever heard, that it would bum out everyone and be a downer at a happy/hot event, but she stuck to her guns.

At the end of the performance, the audience, at a fashion show no less, gave her a standing ovation.

We walked along the beach
What a moonlit night
He held my hand in his
He kissed me
He said I wanna spend my life with you... I want you for my wife
Just then I thought

What about the times you lied to me
What about the times you said no one would want me
What about all the shit you've done to me
What about that, what about that
What about the times you yelled at me
What about the times I cried, you wouldn't even hold me
What about those things
What about that, what about that

I took a pause, then a deep sigh
He looked right into my eyes as he said
I know I didn't say somethin wrong
I didn't have the courage to say
But then I thought

What about the times you hit my face
What about the times you kept on when I said no more please
What about those things
What about that, what about that
What about the times you shamed me
What about the times you said you didn't fuck her
She only gave you head
What about that, what about that

Don't wanna live my life
In misery
Don't tell me you did it cuz you love me
I don't believe

I'm sick and tired
Your deceptive games
Wonder where you have been
I can't live life wonderin

My heart was poundin
But the time had come
To stop lettin my whisperin heart control me
And tellin my screamin mind what to do
I looked him straight in the eyes and then I said

What about the times you lied to me
What about the times you said no one would want me
What about all the shit you've done to me
What about that, what about that
What about the times you yelled at me
What about the times I cried, you wouldn't even hold me
What about those things
What about that, what about that
What about the times you hit my face
What about the times you kept on when I said no more please
What about those things
What about that, what about that
What about the times you shamed me
What about the times you said you didn't fuck her
She only gave you head
What about that, what about that

 

[Sirs Lady]

hhmm, i've not had a chance to sign on for a while, but I've wondered what you all would think of what happened with Janet. In one of my lab classes the week after the superbowl, a bunch of ppl were talking about Janet. Discussing if she did it on purpose or not and if it was an accident why she had that thing on her breast. My Sir and I talked about it, he thought maybe she did it on purpose. I reminded him that maybe it was something her Sir or whoever wanted her to do. Anyway, the discussion of Janet became more about what a freak she was. It really made me uncomfortable and had me feeling extremely self conscious. None of my friends or family knows of this "lifestyle" I live. After a while the discussion went on, I started getting angry at the things they were saying. The jokes about whips and chains. They kept repeating the word freak and sick.

When I got home our roommate started the same deg on thing. I blew up at him. Telling him that the thing on her breast couldve been something her Sir wanted. I told him that before he made comment on something he knew nothing about he should look into it himself. I let him have it for a few minutes. I told him how his sexual conquests could be considered just a freakish and insane. Then make comments. Sir just let me go on with a smile on his face, he said he thought it was 'precious'. i dont know about all that. But I know it felt good to shut someone up about all that. (of course i'm a little self conscious about whether or not he is smart enough to figure out how i would know so much...)

anyway...just wanted to vent...

something that i learned around the time that janet was banned from the grammy's or whatever one it was....hhm, i can't remember his name, but there was a man not too long ago who won a lifetime achievement award, after he was convicted of child molestation and ran off to canada. Now, that is sick.

 

[Netzach]

Roman Polanski?

accused, not convicted.

A child survivor of the holocaust, and married to actress Sharon Tate, who was made into hamburger by the Manson family along with their 8.5 month old fetus.

While I don't think this might excuse Polanski if indeed he's a kiddie nabber, I think it might be cause for someone to be kind of a headcase.

(side question, does an artist's immorality mean their art is less valid?)