It's LONG Past Time To Get Rid Of Ted Cruz

[Adre]

What does that have to do with anything I said? I never denied political change. I did deny that conservatism is an ideology however. The Civil War, the Civil War Amendments, and every other amendment to the Constitution, represents political change, along with every election, every act of congress, or change in the law, that ever took place. You couldn't have offered a more ignorant, unfounded, or wacky challenge.

Wrong, ideology is a set of ideas or ideals. Look it up.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes it does, you just don't want to admit it.

Conservatism is not a political ideology it is a disposition of mind and character based on liberty that is unique to the American experience. It is an understanding for peaceful living based on experience, wisdom, history and tradition, that pre-existed the American revolution. It is a philosophy for living in a free society, predicated on the consent of the governed, that in and of itself gave birth to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. It is a plan for freedom that errs on the side of liberty, a plan that secures individual rights and property.

It is not a rigid set of progressive ideas that expands the power of the state to work against the nature of man, his liberty, his ownership of property, and his right to self determination. It is not an ideology like the collectivism contemporary liberals like yourself cleave to.

Don't try and school me son, you haven't read, appreciated, or understood enough philosophy or history to do so.

You sound like that Southern Baptist preacher who said, "Christianity is not a religion, it's the TRUTH!"

 

[KingOrfeo]

I was referring to it's introduction into the United States . . .

That happened more than a hundred years before the Democratic Party existed.

 

[about_average]

Get out of town, you ignorant dunce. A free society, doesn't mean you can diddle little girls, drive drunk, trespass, or steal things. You need to get a clue.

Very telling that that's the direction your mind immediately went, considering that those have nothing to do with what I said. Or do you mean those are your desires and you accept you can't legally do them?

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is no bigger "implication" for the future of your liberty than the ideas of Barack Obama, dummy.

Why? There are free countries with much more massive welfare states then anything Obama has even suggested. And by "free countries," I mean ranking high on both the Democracy Index and the Index of Economic Freedom. (Canada outranks the U.S. on both, BTW.)

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Free countries? Name 'em.

See links in post #130. Canada and most of Europe have massive welfare states.

 

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[IrezumiKiss]

I was referring to it's introduction into the United States, but you knew that and decided to pick a little fly shit out of pepper to make points with the peanut gallery.

Sort of like you did with Killswitch last night, right?

What did you call it then?

A lie ... right?

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Buuuuuuuurn.

And you see his weak follow-up, right?

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Neither have our founding principles or our Bill of Rights.

So by your definition, which you just made up, the US is the only "Free country"...

You really can't be that fucking stup..... Wait, of course you can.

 

[about_average]

I did it to get your attention, and I did.

LOL yeah, right.

Tell me how I have supported policies that prevent a free society.

You having short term memory problems? Can't remember what you posted less than 24 hours ago about the Patriot Act?

I'm ready to scrap it too. I was for it in the beginning when it was said we were only tracking terrorists and those who were in communication with them. They did not say they were going to be spying on every aspect of the civil society and destroying all assumptions of privacy.

If you were really in favor of a a free society you'd be in favor of same sex marriage being legal, prostitution being legal, recreational drugs being legal and lots of other things.
But those go against your personal beliefs, so either conservatism has as much to do with a free society as water does as an alternative fuel for cars. Or you're a liar when you claim to be a conservative.

 

[cjh]

Neither have our founding principles or our Bill of Rights.

We borrowed many of our founding principles.

The Magna Carta, for example, was pretty significant.

And I don't think Locke was an American.

I wonder if some of our principles have leaked to other countries?

 

[snugglestruggle]

The origins and history if the USMC has jack shit to do with what any individual marine thinks liberty means.
You only have to look at vette to see that. He's only in favor of liberty he personally approves of, plus he's shortsighted when it comes to the implications of things on our liberties, or just ignores the implications if they are contrary to his political ideology.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/birth-of-the-us-marine-corps

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't know Vetteman and I'm not here to defend his words, he is capable of speaking for himself and his ideology.

it's true some join the service for the educational benefits, some for economics but that doesn't mean they learn nothing about Liberty.

To suggest that the long history of the marines , their origins, their training in noway influences a members idea or opinion of what liberty means... is false.

 

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[about_average]

So in your mind interdicting people conversing with the enemy threatening the American people in time of war is not supporting a free society, eh?

So you admit you didn't know jack shit about what you were supporting.

Oh, and nice on ignoring the salient part of my reply.

 

[about_average]

To suggest that the long history of the marines , their origins, their training in noway influences a members idea or opinion of what liberty means... is false.

It might influence them, then again, it might not, or it might give them a distorted view.
But I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of marines don't desire a society that respects true liberty, just as most Americans desire no such thing. It frightens them.

 

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[cjh]

Charles Montesquieu comes to mind. The founders relied on him in crafting our constitutional principle of separation of powers, you know the principle Barack Obama chooses to ignore.

We have the oldest constitution on Earth. I've read where over a hundred nations have modeled their constitutions after ours, but times have changed. I think the New York University Law Review did a study on it at one time. maybe something for you to research.

So you would disagree with John Yoo's version of the strong unitary executive theory, I trust.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

So you would disagree with John Yoo's version of the strong unitary executive theory, I trust.

Only when there's a democratic Peesident of course.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

I believe in a strong executive in time of war when he is acting as the CinC with the authorization of Congress. I do not believe in any theory that supports a President acting outside his oath of office, or the limits of the Constitution.

Dodge..

 

[islandman]

Show me a quote from any President who has said the following:

"Where Congress Is Not Willing To Act, We're Going To Go Ahead And Do It Ourselves"

It's hilarious to see that you have a problem with the language he used, but not the basis for what was said.

Weak.