Its about fucking time. The NYTimes now calls the NSA spying a NECESSITY, good for em

[Ishmael]

Let's get down to the meat of it.

The NYT had no choice but to back Bush. They ran an editorial back in the 90's backing the Clinton adminstrations doing the same thing when 'Echelon' was rolled out. That editorial was dredged up and is being passed around. They were backed into either saying they were lying, or backing Bush. They are backing Bush. Go figure.

The courts have consistently backed the administrations perogative to intercept these types of communications, especially when foriegn espionage or potential sabotage is involved. There is a pot load of case law and none of those cases were ajudicated under a declared state of war such as Bush is operating under.

No victim, no crime. Until the opponents of this policy can trot out a victim, there is no case for the courts to decide any legal point one way or the other. If the detractors had a 'victim' they'd be doing city to city tours.

Tempest in a tea pot.

Ishmael

 

[The Mutt]

How many times are you going to need this expalined to you?

THE INFORMATION WAS, AND IS, CLASSIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bullshit. Bush said the US would not tap without warrants. The fact that wiretaps were taking place might be classified, but he admitted that they were taking place. He just lied about the warrants. So, Bush either lied, or he revealled classified information. Which is it, dittoboy?

 

[Ishmael]

Mutt's a fucking idiot. He doesn't know the difference between a 'wire tap' and a foriegn intercept.

Probably doesn't even realize that your foriegn mail can be opened by the customs folks without a warrant. Going out or coming in.

Give an idiot an idea and what ya got? An idiotic idea.

Ishmael

 

[Slowlane]

Bullshit. Bush said the US would not tap without warrants. The fact that wiretaps were taking place might be classified, but he admitted that they were taking place. He just lied about the warrants. So, Bush either lied, or he revealled classified information. Which is it, dittoboy?

Try to figure the easy stuff out for yourself. If he was pinned down to an answer it was either lie or release classified information.

THE INFORMATION WAS CLASSIFED.

 

[Slowlane]

Mutt's a fucking idiot. He doesn't know the difference between a 'wire tap' and a foriegn intercept.

Probably doesn't even realize that your foriegn mail can be opened by the customs folks without a warrant. Going out or coming in.

Give an idiot an idea and what ya got? An idiotic idea.

Ishmael

I’m sure he doesn’t know or he would be whining about that too.

 

[The Mutt]

You guys are really reaching. I say wiretap because it is an easy shorthand.

You all know what we are talking about, right?

And he wasn't "pinned down", he said it in a speech.

Try again, dittoboys.

 

[The Mutt]

No victim, no crime.

Ishmael

No victim, no crime? Who told you that? The constitution fairy? Or Judge Ailito?

 

[Slowlane]

No victim, no crime? Who told you that? The constitution fairy? Or Judge Ailito?

Your name is Kennedy isn’t it?

 

[The Mutt]

Your name is Kennedy isn’t it?

That was feeble, even for you.

 

[Ishmael]

Your name is Kennedy isn’t it?

What'd I tell you?

Ishmael

 

[Slowlane]

That was feeble, even for you.

This thread only has a certain amount of interest. I’m not going to overwork.

 

[The Mutt]

This thread only has a certain amount of interest. I’m not going to overwork.

So, are you going to tell me how he once drove off a bridge? And how that negates everything he has said and done for the last 30 years?
And how Clinton did it too?
And how if Billy jumped off a bridge.....

 

[Slowlane]

So, are you going to tell me how he once drove off a bridge? And how that negates everything he has said and done for the last 30 years?
And how Clinton did it too?
And how if Billy jumped off a bridge.....

No, that would be overworking. I’ll hold it he’s an idiot.

 

[busybody..]

Let's get down to the meat of it.

The NYT had no choice but to back Bush. They ran an editorial back in the 90's backing the Clinton adminstrations doing the same thing when 'Echelon' was rolled out. That editorial was dredged up and is being passed around. They were backed into either saying they were lying, or backing Bush. They are backing Bush. Go figure.

The courts have consistently backed the administrations perogative to intercept these types of communications, especially when foriegn espionage or potential sabotage is involved. There is a pot load of case law and none of those cases were ajudicated under a declared state of war such as Bush is operating under.

No victim, no crime. Until the opponents of this policy can trot out a victim, there is no case for the courts to decide any legal point one way or the other. If the detractors had a 'victim' they'd be doing city to city tours.

Tempest in a tea pot.

Ishmael

err, no the Times did not change their mind

my HEADLINE was another RED HERRING

intended to show that the Times backs something when its a Dem and condemns the same damn thing when its a Repo

The Times is anti US and anti Military, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

 

[The Mutt]

err, no the Times did not change their mind

my HEADLINE was another RED HERRING

intended to show that the Times backs something when its a Dem and condemns the same damn thing when its a Repo

The Times is anti US and anti Military, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

You make about as much sense as Pat Robertson. The NYT was Bush #1 cheerleader on WMD.

 

[busybody..]

I'll give you the Cliff notes, Doggy

1- Under Clit, no WOT, they spied, Times said Necessity. Clit SOLD the info for political gain

2- Under Bush, AFTER 9/11, NSA does same. Times says, BAD, Ileagl, Lets impeach. And Bush doesnt sell info for political gain

3- Times a fucking hypocreep, shpws itself YET again for what they are

4- Its obvious, except for those with BDS (bush derangment syndrome)

 

[The Mutt]

I'll give you the Cliff notes, Doggy

1- Under Clit, no WOT, they spied, Times said Necessity. Clit SOLD the info for political gain

2- Under Bush, AFTER 9/11, NSA does same. Times says, BAD, Ileagl, Lets impeach. And Bush doesnt sell info for political gain

3- Times a fucking hypocreep, shpws itself YET again for what they are

4- Its obvious, except for those with BDS (bush derangment syndrome)

Blah blah blah.

None of that changes the fact that Bush broke the law and lied about it.

It doesn't.

Really.

So admit you are a dittoboy or shut the fuck up.

 

[Ishmael]

Mutt speaks with ignorant tongue.

One of the most blissfull posters at Lit.

Ishmael

 

[The Mutt]

Mutt speaks with ignorant tongue.

One of the most blissfull posters at Lit.

Ishmael

I'm wrong......... how?

 

[Ishmael]

You're ignorant. Without intervention you will always be ignorant.

Ishmael

 

[The Mutt]

You're ignorant. Without intervention you will always be ignorant.

Ishmael

Yep, just what I figured. No rebuttal. Just insults.

Typical Dittoboy.

 

[Lonelypoet]

No Justification!

I don't care if we have 9 million terrorists in this country, and I don't care if World War III is getting ready to start, the Constitution says that we all as human beings have certain inalienable rights, and one of them is "privacy." This government does not have the right to spy on its common, law abiding citizens. It is against "our rights, my rights" as a private citizen. Only after you have become a suspect in a crime, or have committed a crime, then, and only then would they have the right to "spy"(listen to phone calls, watch e-mail's, etc.). So, if they have nothing on you or I, then they need to keep their god-damn, big, fat noses out of our business. Period, period, period! The pigs can go get fucked, because they do not, and never will have the Constitutional or ethical right to spy on a law abiding citizen, and I don't give a shit how many times Mr. queer Gonzales explains it, he will be wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

~ Lonelypoet

Quote: "Any citizen willing to exchange their freedoms for security, is worthy of neither." ~ Benjamin Franklin

 

[Young Knave]

You make about as much sense as Pat Robertson. The NYT was Bush #1 cheerleader on WMD.

yes, but they once wrote an article that had negative connotations for the Republicans, therefore they are left wing, biased, pinko stooges.

to get the real truth you've got to go to Fox News, the National Review, and Limbaugh. only then will you get the straight facts. every right thinking american knows that.

 

[Young Knave]

Bullshit. Bush said the US would not tap without warrants. The fact that wiretaps were taking place might be classified, but he admitted that they were taking place. He just lied about the warrants. So, Bush either lied, or he revealled classified information. Which is it, dittoboy?

Man, don't try to trouble conservatives with facts like that. I've become convinced that their brains won't accept anything they don't like. There's a sort of firewall there that keeps out unpleasent facets of reality. You can repeat this until your blue in the face, and they won't grasp the differance between wiretapping with a warrent (which can be obtained after the fact, if there isn't time, btw) and what Bush has authorized.

 

[Motel Steve]

i read the times the other day. its a good paper.