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....feed the earth when you die.

Our burial practices are generally a taboo topic. We don’t like to think about death, least of all how our burials will affect the environment. Unfortunately, burials aren’t very sustainable, so let’s talk about it.

The modern human burial process is both costly and environmentally toxic.

“Each year, we bury enough metal to build the Golden Gate Bridge, enough wood to build 1,800 single-family homes, and enough carcinogenic embalming fluid to fill eight Olympic-sized swimming pools… Cremation… burns fossil fuels and emits about 600 million pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually – that’s the equivalent of more than 70,000 cars driving the road for a year.” (Urban Death Project)

Surprised? Surely, you don’t want your body’s final act on earth to be further polluting the planet. So is there a better way?

Katrina Spade, founder of the Urban Death Project in Seattle, seems to think so. She believes that human bodies can be composted, just as some farmers do with livestock, at a fraction of the cost and in a way that will benefit the environment. In fact, she estimates this service would cost only about $2,500 — a fraction of the cost of a traditional burial. The idea is that the human body can be broken down into basic nutrients — like nitrogen and phosphorous — if given the proper circumstances. As it breaks down into life’s basic building blocks, the resulting compost can be used to nourish the soil and encourage new plant growth. It’s the same idea as composting fruit peels. Spade hopes to create a building with a 3 story core to accommodate grievers laying their loved ones to rest while initiating and overseeing the composting process.

It is a beautiful idea, our bodies giving life back to nature — providing the basic nutrients needed for a lavender bush to flourish or a new pine tree to spring up — but is society ready for it? There are many people who would dismiss this idea as disgusting, but infusing a corpse with toxic formaldehyde doesn’t set the bar much higher. There is also the question of heavy metals, like fillings, which would have to be removed before composting, and the question of which pathogens can survive the composting process. While this is a novel idea with real promise, there is still much research to be done and certain criticism to be dealt with. For those interested in learning more about the Urban Death Project, you can visit the team’s recently launched Kickstarter campaign.

Does the idea of composting corpses give you the creeps? Or does it sound like a logical solution to filling graveyards, depleting soil, polluted planet, and costly burial services?
 
I like the idea - I thought that's what burial was. Besides, municipal crematoria are so vulgar.

I was always going to be pickled, though. I reckon I'm halfway there.
 
I like the idea - I thought that's what burial was. Besides, municipal crematoria are so vulgar.

I was always going to be pickled, though. I reckon I'm halfway there.

I'm always surprised by how many Wiki bios end at Golders Green Crematorium.
 
Any mortician can put your body in a biodegradable container. They even have caskets that you can rent which wrap around the container for the funeral service. Afterward, the container slides out and the casket goes back to the parlor.
 
Orthodox Jews are not embalmed and are put in biodegradable caskets without a vault. To do that though you have to be buried somewhere that is allowed. Most places being in a long lasting casket within a vault that lasts for something like 400 yrs is the law unless you are in a special cemetery or section of one.
 
I'm always surprised by how many Wiki bios end at Golders Green Crematorium.

Too late to rage against the dying of the light by the time the flames are leaping behind your final curtain.
 
Orthodox Jews are not embalmed and are put in biodegradable caskets without a vault. To do that though you have to be buried somewhere that is allowed. Most places being in a long lasting casket within a vault that lasts for something like 400 yrs is the law unless you are in a special cemetery or section of one.
Or you could just be buried in Florida. Eventually, you'll end up at the bottom of the ocean.
 
Orthodox Jews are not embalmed and are put in biodegradable caskets without a vault. To do that though you have to be buried somewhere that is allowed. Most places being in a long lasting casket within a vault that lasts for something like 400 yrs is the law unless you are in a special cemetery or section of one.

Jews get buried standing up so they only have to buy have the size grave site and they skip the embalming.

:cool:
 
When I die it says in my will donate my body to science. Even if it's just for medical students to dissect. :) They can harvest anything useful and I bequeath my carcass to science.

So if anyone needs an eye or a hip joint you had better call dibs now and I'll add it to my will. ;)
 
Crypt

The environmental impact of graves is an interesting topic. It was something I wanted to write about but I was going to focus on mass graves, which is unrelated to this post.

What about crypts or mummification? I heard it is possible to be mummified but it is costly. On the other hand, crypts are above ground and also costly. I'm not sure about this because the information I found was from the internet. In both cases, the difficulty is finding someone willing to mummify you or build a crypt. Apparently, crypts are popular in New Orleans but not in other places.
 
When I die it says in my will donate my body to science. Even if it's just for medical students to dissect. :) They can harvest anything useful and I bequeath my carcass to science.

So if anyone needs an eye or a hip joint you had better call dibs now and I'll add it to my will. ;)

From the looks of your av you died years ago.

:cool:
 
The environmental impact of graves is an interesting topic. It was something I wanted to write about but I was going to focus on mass graves, which is unrelated to this post.

What about crypts or mummification? I heard it is possible to be mummified but it is costly. On the other hand, crypts are above ground and also costly. I'm not sure about this because the information I found was from the internet. In both cases, the difficulty is finding someone willing to mummify you or build a crypt. Apparently, crypts are popular in New Orleans but not in other places.

Crypts are popular in N.O. because it's under sea level.

;)
 
Jews get buried standing up so they only have to buy have the size grave site and they skip the embalming.

:cool:


That is not true, they get buried lengthwise like everyone else and skipping the embalming has to do with wanting to decompose quickly.

You have some serious misconceptions.
 
The environmental impact of graves is an interesting topic. It was something I wanted to write about but I was going to focus on mass graves, which is unrelated to this post.

What about crypts or mummification? I heard it is possible to be mummified but it is costly. On the other hand, crypts are above ground and also costly. I'm not sure about this because the information I found was from the internet. In both cases, the difficulty is finding someone willing to mummify you or build a crypt. Apparently, crypts are popular in New Orleans but not in other places.

After having to help plan a funeral and see the associated costs, pretty much all options seem ridiculously expensive! Even cremation was somewhat costly and you still have the environmental impact of cremation since you are using natural resources like natural gas and then the releasing of potentially toxic chemicals during the burning process.

One option I did learn about was basically composting or a green burial where there are no chemicals used, no concrete vault, and the coffin is biodegradable. The burial sites are unmarked areas/parks instead of traditional cemeteries so it's not like people can come and visit a set spot but instead walk through the area. The one local to my city is a wooded park.
 
I also learned about the costs of all sorts of death things.

There are these society things where you can prepay your costs in advanced.
B's dad had one and gave it for B. It worked out well.
Then B's friends took his ashes up to 11K feet.
 
After having to help plan a funeral and see the associated costs, pretty much all options seem ridiculously expensive! Even cremation was somewhat costly and you still have the environmental impact of cremation since you are using natural resources like natural gas and then the releasing of potentially toxic chemicals during the burning process.

One option I did learn about was basically composting or a green burial where there are no chemicals used, no concrete vault, and the coffin is biodegradable. The burial sites are unmarked areas/parks instead of traditional cemeteries so it's not like people can come and visit a set spot but instead walk through the area. The one local to my city is a wooded park.

If you are not embalmed, what toxic chemicals are there?

My parents went through this pine box stage about 20 yrs ago before they switched to donating their bodies. There were no chemicals involved.

I would have to climb for 3 days to visit B, I would have to do several practice climbs to get in shape for it.
 
I also learned about the costs of all sorts of death things.

There are these society things where you can prepay your costs in advanced.
B's dad had one and gave it for B. It worked out well.
Then B's friends took his ashes up to 11K feet.

My grandmother had one of those - unfortunately, we found out after her death that the cemetery owners had swindled all the money. It was a huge scandal and eventually the owners were criminally charged. We were lucky that we could still cover the costs of her funeral, but I imagine others may not have been so lucky. Very glad it worked out well though for yours - I don't think everyone thinks to plan in advance for that. Many of us don't want to think about our deaths let alone prepay for it!
 
Avoid all that. Don't die. Or tie cement blocks to your ankles and throw yourself overboard. Feed the wee fishies. It's organic.

EDIT: This is my post #4444. It's numerological. In base 10, anyway.
 
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....feed the earth when you die.


Does the idea of composting corpses give you the creeps? Or does it sound like a logical solution to filling graveyards, depleting soil, polluted planet, and costly burial services? [/I]

Like the great Frank Reynolds said, "I don't what you do with me when I'm dead. You can throw me in the trash." ... It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Edit: So I guess that means I don't mind bodies working as compost.
 
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