Israeli cafe owner thwarts would be suicide bomber

[Siren]

 

[lavender]

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I agree with you Siren, I know its something that you and I rarely do see eye to eye on an issue.

This almost sounds like something I would post.

And for you to post it almost seems like an about face for you compared to 6 months to a year ago.

If I didn't know better I would think the geopolitcial situation and marriage were softening you up a little bit.

there is a line of profiling we must movce toward, but we must as you say becareful to not over step it. there is a need, just as long as it doesn't become a cause.

 

[Siren]

 

[Siren]

okay now I am ready to respond

 

[crystalhunting]

Siren.....



Have you forgotten that many members of Al Queda were arabs and NON-ARABS...


Germans
Brits
Indonesians
Phillipinos
French
Bosnians


and Americans of caucasian extraction.


Harass all the arabs and forgo checking the white and you may still miss some terrorists,all it will do is breed resentment to only look closely at one group.



Now...want some Baklava now Siren?





CH

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: okay now I am ready to respond

I am talking about using some common sense here.

We need to be looking at a particular group with more scrutiny than most other groups of people.
...
A family with 2 babies is not going to be the potential threat, but two arab men traveling is a red flag we need to pay more attention to and not pretend it isnt more of a threat.

As CH pointed out, there are many members of Al Queda are NON-Arabs. I would add that traveling as man and wife with an unsuspecting Gf and her kids is exactly the kind of thing a terrorist would do.

Focusing on Arabic men as the threat leads to tunnel-vision and ignoring other very real threats -- like Al Queda's Phillipino and Malaysian associates.

 

[Siren]

I find it interesting how people interpete what is said

 

[Siren]

Okay lets be honest here

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: I find it interesting how people interpete what is said

I never said ignore whites and focus only on arabs.

I said pay more attention to people that are of a descent that has already used terrorism against us.

Correct me if I am wrong, but were there any other racial descents other than arabic flying those planes on 9/11?

Pay attention to all, use security on all, but use common sense and higher scrutiny on those that are of a 'proven' greater threat potential.
That is all I am saying.

Doesnt anyone else think this makes sense in a time of danger such as now?

I heard you Siren and I agreed with you but most PC people soon as they here prof- you don't even have to get the whole word out and they go into tunnel vision of racism, saying you can't even look sideways at someone of the same as the terrorist on the planes were.

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: I find it interesting how people interpete what is said

Correct me if I am wrong, but were there any other racial descents other than arabic flying those planes on 9/11?

Pay attention to all, use security on all, but use common sense and higher scrutiny on those that are of a 'proven' greater threat potential.

No, there were no non-arabs involved in 9/11.

However, Al Queda -- the organization those Arabs belonged to -- is known to have members of other ethnicities and is known to be affiliated with other terrorist groups of varied ethnic composition.

Security forces should not focus on ANY ethnic group, not succumbing to tunnel vision or reverse tunnel vision.

As was the case in the example you cite at the beginning of this thread, there are almost always other indications that something might be wrong with any individual.

If you saw some arabic men just being passed through security and onto the plane while everyone else was checked.........
would you board that plane without feeling any reservations?

HONESTLY....I would not. I would feel uneasy.

So, be honest.

We profile already on our own. to pretend differently is to be less than truthful.

If I saw ANYONE, Arabic or not, passed without a security check, I'd be concerned. Of course, if it was obviously some VIP, I'd be less concerned than if it was some unshaven, poorly dressed nut in camoflage.

All of us profile others. Not all of us use ethnicity as the basis for our profiling.

I'm not being PC about his, I'm being practical. I've served inplaces where the terrorists looked just like everyone else on the street -- in England during a period of intense IRA bombings; In Vietnam, where a child begging for chocolate looked just like the little VC pawn with a grenade; In Korea, where North Korean infiltrators look just like the South Koreans.

Fixating on the fact that this group of terrorists were Arabic just leaves us open to attacks by any of a dozen other groups who look just like us.

Now, if you're looking specifically for associates of the last group of terrorists, then looking n the Arab community makes sense.

On the other hand, if you're looking for any threat, then fixating on one group is suicidal.

 

[p_p_man]

This arab suicide bomber came into a deli-cafe, and if not for the smart observations by the owner and a waiter, another bombing would have taken place in Israel.

It's a pity the Palestinians can't "thwart" the soldiers, the planes and the warships that are constantly attacking them on their own territory.

Your post is a piece of aggravating nonsense Siren.

So everyone who wears a skullcap should be regarded as a war-mongering Zionist yes?

ppman

 

[Siren]

glad I could return the favor

 

[p_p_man]

Re: glad I could return the favor

"Your post is a piece of aggravating nonsense Siren.........."

cuz just about all of your posts are pieces of aggravating nonsense.

Answered like a true sister of your gender...

 

[Siren]

 

[Weird Harold]

Wht she said.

 

[p_p_man]

Wht she said.

What I said...

 

[Samuari]

Man it seems strange to side with PP man, but gosh I think that he is right here. The Zionists were the orginal terrorists in the midle east., and the ones that are pointed to when some one says that terrorism can't be sucessful.

We see the French resistence in WWII as heros, but looked at from another perspective weren't they essenally terriosts n the much the same way that the Palistienans are? They were fighting a brutal ocupying force in thier historical homeland.

 

[Weird Harold]

We see the French resistence in WWII as heros, but looked at from another perspective weren't they essenally terriosts n the much the same way that the Palistienans are? They were fighting a brutal ocupying force in thier historical homeland.

Well, lets see...

The Maquis bombed troop trains, sabotaged military works, asassinated military personell, and spied for the Allies.

The Palestinians bomb Bar Mitsvahs (thirteenth birthday parties), crowded markets, civilian busses, random cafes, funerals, etc.

Yep, I guess you're right, the palestinians are noble freedom fighters targeting only the military oppressors.

(please don't slip on the sarcasm as you exit the thread.)

 

[p_p_man]

(please don't slip on the sarcasm as you exit the thread.)

I won't.

And Sharon enclosed thousands of people in Beirut and had his paid troops massacre them in a place from which there was no escape.

And, strange but true, the chief witness against Sharon in a war crimes trial scheduled to be heard in the International Court, was assassinated in Brussels three weeks ago.

Israel is ahead on the running total so far...

ppman