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Israel Launches "Pre-emptive Strike" on Iran
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In addition to striking Iran’s air defence systems and nuclear facilities, the Israelis also assassinated all the top Iranian nuclear scientists they could find. As far as is known, air strikes on Natanz have killed:
Official Tehran reacted… ‘quickly’. By 06.00hrs local time, the IRGCASF released a wave of 100 Shahed-136 attack UAVs at Israel. Some claimed up to 300 were released, but the IDF eventually claimed ‘only’ 100 as shot down (by the IASF and by ‘allied forces’, including F-15 interceptors of the US Air Force and F-16's of the Royal Jordanian Air Force).
By 09.00hrs local time:
In other words: Israel has established 'aerial domination’ deep inside Iran’s airspace. The IASF is free enough to operate reconnaissance UAVs at will over Iran, which in turn is enabling it to find, track and target additional targets as and where necessary. …which in turn means that there is ‘much more is to follow’. During the day the Iraeli's flew two additional waves of air strikes on Iran. One of these should have targeted the IRIAF’s MIM-23 I-HAWK SAM-sites at Tactical Fighter Base 2, perhaps also the local hardened aircraft shelters (housing MiG-29 and Northrop F-5E/F Tiger IIs), and then the IRGCASF’s missile base outside Tabriz (north-western Iran), certainly causing extensive damage. Another caused massive damage and a large fire at Tactical Fighter Base 7, outside Shiraz - the home-base of the IRIAF’s fleet of Sukhoi Su-24 fighter-bombers (which have the range to reach Israel).
This, in turn, is indicative of the Israelis being ‘happy’ about demolishing the IRGCASF’s command system, and its large units operating ballistic missiles with the range to strike Israel… and are now re-focusing on destroying the IRIAF’s capability to hit Israel back. If so… the IRGC hcan easily replace its killed top brass. Indeed, new, younger commanders, must be expected to be much more aggressive, and far smarter than the late and unlamented high command. However, if Israel is also striking the IRIAF’s air bases… then this was a ‘mega blow’ upon Iran: it disabled much of its two integrated air defense systems, it disabled the ‘heart’ of Iran’s nuclear program, and now Israel can go after almost any other target it wants to destroy.
In other words, this has been a ‘clear cut victory for Israel’.
The actual question is now how to end this. That’s something Israel simply can’t do, no matter how much and what it might bomb and destroy in Iran - whether the last night, today, tomorrow or any time in the future: that outcome is depending on the survivability of the regime in control of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And that regime is no ‘monolithic bloc’, but consists of a number of ‘cliques’ or ‘interest groups’: people, mostly tightly related to the IRGC, and in control over different branches of the armed forces, different segments of the economy, and different urban centres. Provided this regime can survive the loss of so many top leaders at once, this is nothing but Israel ‘tweaking the lion’s tail’: in which case, this could go on ‘for years’, and become more and more bloody as time passes.
On the other hand, if the Islamic regime can be brought to a state of total collapse, it's a strategic victory for Israel.
- - Abdolhamid Minoucehr
- - Ahmadreza Zolfaghari
- - Seyed Amirhossein Faghahi
- - Matlabi-Zadeh, and
- …while Mohammad-Mahdi Tehranchi, Abbas Fereydoun, and Ahmed-Reza Zolfaghari (one of six top Iranian nuclear scientists) were killed at their homes.
Official Tehran reacted… ‘quickly’. By 06.00hrs local time, the IRGCASF released a wave of 100 Shahed-136 attack UAVs at Israel. Some claimed up to 300 were released, but the IDF eventually claimed ‘only’ 100 as shot down (by the IASF and by ‘allied forces’, including F-15 interceptors of the US Air Force and F-16's of the Royal Jordanian Air Force).
By 09.00hrs local time:
- - Admiral Habibollah Sayari was appointed the Interim Chief of General Staff,
- - Brigadier-General Mohammad Pakpour as the new Commander IRGC (Brigadier-General Ahmad Vahid was held this position for several hours),
- - Brigadier-General Ali Shadmani as the new commander Khatam-al-Anbiya HQ, and
- - Brigadier-General Abdolrahim is the new C-in-C Iranian Armed Forces.
- …that said, by 0900, Tehran had not yet reacted with the ‘much expected’ ballistic missile strike. This indicated that Iran's missile units had suffered lots of damage.
In other words: Israel has established 'aerial domination’ deep inside Iran’s airspace. The IASF is free enough to operate reconnaissance UAVs at will over Iran, which in turn is enabling it to find, track and target additional targets as and where necessary. …which in turn means that there is ‘much more is to follow’. During the day the Iraeli's flew two additional waves of air strikes on Iran. One of these should have targeted the IRIAF’s MIM-23 I-HAWK SAM-sites at Tactical Fighter Base 2, perhaps also the local hardened aircraft shelters (housing MiG-29 and Northrop F-5E/F Tiger IIs), and then the IRGCASF’s missile base outside Tabriz (north-western Iran), certainly causing extensive damage. Another caused massive damage and a large fire at Tactical Fighter Base 7, outside Shiraz - the home-base of the IRIAF’s fleet of Sukhoi Su-24 fighter-bombers (which have the range to reach Israel).
This, in turn, is indicative of the Israelis being ‘happy’ about demolishing the IRGCASF’s command system, and its large units operating ballistic missiles with the range to strike Israel… and are now re-focusing on destroying the IRIAF’s capability to hit Israel back. If so… the IRGC hcan easily replace its killed top brass. Indeed, new, younger commanders, must be expected to be much more aggressive, and far smarter than the late and unlamented high command. However, if Israel is also striking the IRIAF’s air bases… then this was a ‘mega blow’ upon Iran: it disabled much of its two integrated air defense systems, it disabled the ‘heart’ of Iran’s nuclear program, and now Israel can go after almost any other target it wants to destroy.
In other words, this has been a ‘clear cut victory for Israel’.
The actual question is now how to end this. That’s something Israel simply can’t do, no matter how much and what it might bomb and destroy in Iran - whether the last night, today, tomorrow or any time in the future: that outcome is depending on the survivability of the regime in control of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And that regime is no ‘monolithic bloc’, but consists of a number of ‘cliques’ or ‘interest groups’: people, mostly tightly related to the IRGC, and in control over different branches of the armed forces, different segments of the economy, and different urban centres. Provided this regime can survive the loss of so many top leaders at once, this is nothing but Israel ‘tweaking the lion’s tail’: in which case, this could go on ‘for years’, and become more and more bloody as time passes.
On the other hand, if the Islamic regime can be brought to a state of total collapse, it's a strategic victory for Israel.
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Iranian missiles falling on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Initial reports are 34 wounded and 1 dead. Most Israelis are in shelters. The IDF continues its attacks on Iran.
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I predict the world's first dirty bomb goes off in Israel. Bookmark this.
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Nah.
The "Palestinians" want to occupy the area "From the river to the sea" after their dream of “genociding” the Israeli Jews comes true, so…
Also:
The Israelis have nasty bombs to retaliate against their enemies’ cities - and they don’t have a dream to occupy those cities in the future, so…
A dirty bomb might come from Iran, not the OTs.Nah.
The "Palestinians" want to occupy the area "From the river to the sea" after their dream of “genociding” the Israeli Jews comes true…
Also:
The Israelis have nasty bombs to retaliate against their enemies’ cities - and they don’t have a dream to occupy those cities in the future, so…
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Well, I am not sure if this is for real or not, but the Kurds in Iran want no part of Iran, and the Israel's have supported the Kurds before. If they'rw after a regime change in Tehran, sparking of the Azeri's and the Kurd's is a great start. This is why the Turks are so hard on the Kurds - a big part of "Turkey" is actually Kurdish, as well as huge chunks of Iraq and Iran and a corner of Syria. One of the big mistakes of Versaille was not giving the Kurds their own country after WW1.
Kurdish Leader Endorses Israel’s Strike on Iran - Hussein Yazdanpana, Kurdistan Freedom Party president, supports Israel’s #OperationRisingLion to destroy Iran’s military capabilities. Kurdish Peshmerga forces are preparing to join the conflict. The Kuridstan Peshmerga military commander, General, Hussein Yazdanpanah, has been waiting and preparing for this day..... I guess the Kurds are going in.
Kurdish Leader Endorses Israel’s Strike on Iran - Hussein Yazdanpana, Kurdistan Freedom Party president, supports Israel’s #OperationRisingLion to destroy Iran’s military capabilities. Kurdish Peshmerga forces are preparing to join the conflict. The Kuridstan Peshmerga military commander, General, Hussein Yazdanpanah, has been waiting and preparing for this day..... I guess the Kurds are going in.
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