Islamic & Christian Fundamentalism--What's the difference?

[richard_daily]

Fundamentalist capitalism is the real problem. The oligarchs are out of control.

Whut? LOL

State capitals and D.C. have been in a race to crush entrepreneurship and capitalism for decades.

You need millions of fuckin' dollars, an army of lawyers and approval from over 200 bureaucrats to start a lemonade stand these days.

That's NOT capitalism and neither is a government empowered oligarchy like the one we have.

Small businesses are not the oligarchs. Do you think that multinationals don't own the politicians running the government?

Clinton is in the pocket of corporations, and if she's elected, she'll serve their interests.

She's not going to care about how hard it is to start a small business. Small business is a direct competitor of her owners: big business.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Really.....what exactly about the US is so capitalist?

Is it the mega bureaucratic control over ULTRA regulated markets???

Maybe it's the entrepreneurial crushing red tape the government uses to keep people from making any money in even the most innocuous manners such as mowing lawns and cleaning pools?

Nawww it's got to be all these industries that only exist because government funding.......like green energy....corn....and weapons we won't sell, don't need and can't use? The HC insurance industry/big pharma...omg what a bunch of fuckin' scammers!!

Yea that's capitalism!!! LOL

The US is capitalist only if your ultra fuckin' rich and politically connected. Just short of that you're pretty much stuck as a wage slave and there is fuck all you can do about it. And even if you do well, if you don't pay homage to congress they will come fuck your company up....just ask Bill Gates, a nobleman who once stepped out of line and managed to survive where many others have been utterly destroyed.

That's not really capitalism, that's feudalism. IF the US were capitalist it wouldn't require you have big money and a gang of pols/bureaucrats in your back pocket to open up a hot dog stand.

Here is an infographic on how shit really is here in the good ol' US of A.
http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/images/feudalism-then-and-now.jpg

Preach it!!!

 

[miles]

To be honest I cannot claim it as an original idea.

If it were me I wouldn't admit claiming it either.

 

[MichaelinChina]

If it were me I wouldn't admit claiming it either.

Well, there ya go....hope there's enough context in it for you.

from "Orlando massacre a symptom of the Age of Rage"by Michael Bradley

Michael Bradley is the managing partner of Sydney law firm Marque Lawyers, and he writes a weekly column for The Drum.

... "In America, white, Christian, working class males feel left out. We can see the beginnings of the same development here, and certainly throughout Europe.

American extremists, mostly white, male and Christian, have more in common with Muslim extremists than either side would like to think. The Orlando shooter, if he wasn't Muslim, would have felt entirely comfortable, we must assume, with the Westboro Church community or any number of other bigoted fringe groups. If he wasn't Muslim, how would the NRA's followers be describing him today?

This confusion of overlapping hatreds is explained by the other thing these extremists share: total dislocation from the societies in which they live. They assert, ferociously, their rights, as per the social contract to which their forebears signed up. They have, in many cases, a perverted understanding of those rights; thus the bizarre obsession with the right to own guns."...

 

[miles]

Just two facts for you (I know facts are a foreign concept for you, but what the hell)

1. Franklin Graham supported passage of the laws in Uganda that would execute homosexuals because they were homosexual and would jail anyone who knew a homosexual and didn't turn them in.
Explain why he would not support Mateen's killing of 49 homosexuals?

2. Falwell believed 3000 innocent people deserved to die in 2001 in part because efforts in the US to allow homosexuals to have the same rights as everyone else.
Explain why he wouldn't be fine with Mateen killing those actually "guilty" of being homosexual.

Prove it.

Facts, not opinion.

I'll wait.

 

[miles]

Well, there ya go....hope there's enough context in it for you.

from "Orlando massacre a symptom of the Age of Rage"by Michael Bradley

Michael Bradley is the managing partner of Sydney law firm Marque Lawyers, and he writes a weekly column for The Drum.

... "In America, white, Christian, working class males feel left out. We can see the beginnings of the same development here, and certainly throughout Europe.

American extremists, mostly white, male and Christian, have more in common with Muslim extremists than either side would like to think. The Orlando shooter, if he wasn't Muslim, would have felt entirely comfortable, we must assume, with the Westboro Church community or any number of other bigoted fringe groups. If he wasn't Muslim, how would the NRA's followers be describing him today?

This confusion of overlapping hatreds is explained by the other thing these extremists share: total dislocation from the societies in which they live. They assert, ferociously, their rights, as per the social contract to which their forebears signed up. They have, in many cases, a perverted understanding of those rights; thus the bizarre obsession with the right to own guns."...

Wasn't it you who said this?

In fact, the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation.

Please tell me how an opinion piece written by an attorney for an Australian newspaper proves "the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation."

Are you nutz?

Just admit you said something stewpid and that will be the end of it.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Wasn't it you who said this?

In fact, the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation.

Please tell me how an opinion piece written by an attorney for an Australian newspaper proves "the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation."

Are you nutz?

Just admit you said something stewpid and that will be the end of it.

you obviously, in your haste to go back to posting missed this part.


The Orlando shooter, if he wasn't Muslim, would have felt entirely comfortable, we must assume, with the Westboro Church community or any number of other bigoted fringe groups.

Admit it, that I was close.

 

[Knot Again]

you obviously, in your haste to go back to posting missed this part.


The Orlando shooter, if he wasn't Muslim, would have felt entirely comfortable, we must assume, with the Westboro Church community or any number of other bigoted fringe groups.

Admit it, that I was close.

but he WAS Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Westboro just carries signs and DOESNT KILL

 

[MichaelinChina]

but he WAS Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Westboro just carries signs and DOESNT KILL

great, you took it out of context (go back to my longer quote above....but there's still enough to make the point there is no difference.

Moreover it makes the point about the deeper problems in US society, mainly affecting the disaffected, angry white men like you.

So typical of thinkers like you who only see the surface layers of issues.

 

[miles]

you obviously, in your haste to go back to posting missed this part.


The Orlando shooter, if he wasn't Muslim, would have felt entirely comfortable, we must assume, with the Westboro Church community or any number of other bigoted fringe groups.

Admit it, that I was close.

Maybe you didn't answer my question because you didn't see it:

"Please tell me how an opinion piece written by an attorney for an Australian newspaper proves "the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation."

 

[miles]

but he WAS Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Westboro just carries signs and DOESNT KILL

This is fucking hilarious!

 

[MichaelinChina]

Maybe you didn't answer my question because you didn't see it:

"Please tell me how an opinion piece written by an attorney for an Australian newspaper proves "the homophobes at the Westboro Church would welcome the guy who shot up Pulse as a member of their congregation."

does it have to PROVE anything? It's an OPINION piece that has a lot if sensible analysis in it.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

The problem is that all groups have their crazies. I've been ashamed of some of the things that have come out under my religious "label." To me faith is about love not hate. If you are to hate and kill then I think you better listen to the other voices in your head. There are good Muslims - There are good Christians - and there are the crazies like ISIS and the Baptist Pastor that said that the killings were from God and that the job wasn't finished. SICK!!

ISIS see themselves as the good muslims, they rate all the others as apostates.

 

[miles]

does it have to PROVE anything? It's an OPINION piece that has a lot if sensible analysis in it.

Jesus H. Christ.

Am I having a discussion with Spidey?

You're running in circles, twisting, turning, and dodging.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Jesus H. Christ.

Am I having a discussion with Spidey?

You're running in circles, twisting, turning, and dodging.

Excuse me? Kettle!

 

[MichaelinChina]

some more:

"The American fringe, encompassing extreme Christian groups and basic rednecks, cannot work out what to say - some celebrate the deaths of so many hell-bound homosexuals. But the narrative of Islamic assault on our "freedom" does not sit alongside victims who, by many Americans' beliefs, deserved to die. Just not at the hands of a Muslim?"

 

[Knot Again]

does it have to PROVE anything? It's an OPINION piece that has a lot if sensible analysis in it.

my OPINION is you are insane and should be beheaded

 

[Knot Again]

great, you took it out of context (go back to my longer quote above....but there's still enough to make the point there is no difference.

Moreover it makes the point about the deeper problems in US society, mainly affecting the disaffected, angry white men like you.

So typical of thinkers like you who only see the surface layers of issues.

yes, there is a huge difference

 

[MichaelinChina]

my OPINION is you are insane and should be beheaded

PROOF that you (a Christian fundamentalist?) are calling for my beheading...just as ISIS do.

Now compare my quoted material with what you just said (blurted unintentionally perhaps, or was it a joke?)

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jesus H. Christ.

Am I having a discussion with Spidey?

You're running in circles, twisting, turning, and dodging.

No, he's patiently attempting to explain the difference between a news article and an opinion piece to you, something you seem unwilling or unable to comprehend.

I recognize that the two terms have been melded together in your mind (years of watching Fox News will do that to you), but I can assure you they are separate and distinct entities.

#YCSDIAF,
Rob

 

[Knot Again]

PROOF that you (a Christian fundamentalist?) are calling for my beheading...just as ISIS do.

Now compare my quoted material with what you just said (blurted unintentionally perhaps, or was it a joke?)

But sadly I wouldnt behead you

ISIS would

 

[MichaelinChina]

This has a nice symmetry to it.


American extremists of the anti-societal kind love guns, hate gays, and don't much like Muslims. Muslim extremists of the anti-modern kind love guns, hate gays, and don't much like Americans.

 

[eyerami]

During homo-slaughtering Islamist gunman Omar Mateen’s rainbow bloodbath at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub on June 12, he reportedly called 911 to pledge his support to ISIS. In appreciation, an “ISIS-affiliated media group” dubbed Mateen a “lion of the caliphate” for slaughtering “infidels” in such spectacular numbers.

Still, hours after the shooting, Mateen’s father swore to NBC News that the attack “had nothing to do with religion.” But the day after, he posted on Facebook that “God will punish those involved in homosexuality.”

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)—basically the USA’s Muslim public-relations Mafia—condemned the sodomitical nightclub mass murder and urged unity among “all communities who are victims of violence and persecution in our country.” The head of CAIR’s Florida chapter, Hassan Shiply, claimed that his heart bled with “overwhelming love and support for the LGBT community”—this, despite his 2009 proclamations that homosexuality is “evil” and “a quick way to earn God’s wrath.” Other CAIR speakers have called homosexuality a “disease,” advocated for the death penalty against gays, and threatened to burn down a proposed gay-friendly mosque in Toronto, but these facts were mostly kept out of the news.

...The message is as clear as a muezzin’s call to prayer: Even though 2015’s Charleston shooting had everything to do with the Confederate flag and white nationalism, the Orlando gay massacre had absolutely nothing to do with the Religion of Peace, and you’re a Confederate-flag-waving hillbilly Islamophobic closet homo for even attempting to conflate the two.

Despite all those gallons of blood, these suicidal zombies persist in the delusion that their Big Stupid Rainbow has enough room to cram the muzzies and the queers together without a hint of trouble.

Is Allah an LGBT Ally?
http://takimag.com/article/is_allah_an_lgbt_ally_jim_goad/print#ixzz4CDkMM7tx

 

[MichaelinChina]

Is Allah an LGBT Ally?
http://takimag.com/article/is_allah_an_lgbt_ally_jim_goad/print#ixzz4CDkMM7tx

No but your newspaper clearly knows how to twist facts to appeal to its audience/readers.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Finally sunk in has it? It's been a good ten minutes and no further posts.