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and that's just it, the truth. little boys in skirts. we must outlaw islam and send them to cuba
islam is evil - boys in skirts
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Someone has never read the First Amendment, or believes as George W. Bush is alleged to have said that "the Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper!"
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
You CAN'T outlaw a religion NeverEndingMoron.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
You CAN'T outlaw a religion NeverEndingMoron.
I would not call Islam a religion, despite the centrality a "god" figure in its canon. It is much more accurately described as a supremicist ideology that countenances the rape, sexual slavery, and murder of non-believers. Non-believers can only be tolerated under highly restricted conditions, including dhimmitude. It is like a roach motel- you can check in, but you cannot leave it. People have as much right to exercise Islam as they do Nazi-ism, and that right stop where my nose begins.
Pamela Geller puts it much more colorfully when she says, "I don't care if you worship a stone, as long as you don't stone me with it". Unfortunately, it is written in the canon of Islam that people like her must be murdered- remember, that pathetic, murderous loser of a fake prophet (what exactly did he prophesize again?) countenanced the murder of a poet who mocked him
Islam is a threat to all that I cherish in this world, including the independent human mind and spirit. Kindly get off your high horse.
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Someone has never read the Old Testament or the Talmud.
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You do know that Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the SAME God, right? Didn't they teach you that Islam split off Judaism at Abraham, Jews and Christians follow Isaac, while Muslims follows Ismael.
If you don't, your Sunday school teacher failed!
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piss off coward. funny, you hide in America and let real men protect you. yet there you are at your keyboard typing away while wearing pantyhose
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I figured you were a member of the "fuck the Constitution if it interferes with me being a bigot" crowd.
I spent several years of my life defending that document and all it stands for and was ready to lay down my life if need be. I was a cold warrior, ready to launch a nuclear missile a the enemy (whoever that may be) knowing full well that doing so would be signing my own death warrant via a retaliatory strike on my position.
You haven't earned the right to shine my fucking boots let alone question my patriotism or manhood you whiny entitled little brain dead puke.
So shine up your little grade-school attempts at insults real nice and shove them up your ass.
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I have found that those who are most vociferous about their hatred of Islam know little to nothing about it other than what they've heard from the likes of Pamela Gellar. A known Islamophobic bigoted nut-job.
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your tights are on too tight, lack of blood flow to that little head of yours. Granted you are one of those obama kind
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Sorry, Ulaven, I have read the Christian Bible, and that includes the Torah. Your reaction, while common, even prevalent, reveals only ignorance. Violence in the Jewish sacred texts is descriptive- the ancient Israelites engaged in warfare just as any other tribe, and the Hebrew Bible records much of that history.
On the other hand, violence and intolerance in the Koran are prescriptive and are a central part of Allah's eternal commands. For example, there is nothing so universal in the Judeo/Christian tradition as Koran 9:5:
<i> And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.</i>
Now try 9:29 on for size:
<i>Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.</i>
Note the requirement to pay the jiayah (a tax that applies only to non-Moslems) and that the non-believers willingly submit to their "humbled" status. This is why I call Islam a supremacist ideology- and it has been applied throughout the history of Islam.
Oh yes, Mohammad- the "role model for all men- kept sex slaves, and gave one unfortunate Jewish woman, whose husband he had killed, the "choice" of whether to be a wife or a sex slave. Islamic concept of free choice, I suppose. There is nothing comparable in Christianity.
Sir, your response was utterly banal and uninformed, and completely failed to make the most elementary distinctions. You are either ignorant, or engaging in deceit (perhaps engaging in the Moslem practice of taqqiya). Ok, I suppose you could be both.
Sorry, Ulaven, I have read the Christian Bible, and that includes the Torah. Your reaction, while common, even prevalent, reveals only ignorance. Violence in the Jewish sacred texts is descriptive- the ancient Israelites engaged in warfare just as any other tribe, and the Hebrew Bible records much of that history.
On the other hand, violence and intolerance in the Koran are prescriptive and are a central part of Allah's eternal commands. For example, there is nothing so universal in the Judeo/Christian tradition as Koran 9:5:
<i> And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.</i>
Now try 9:29 on for size:
<i>Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.</i>
Note the requirement to pay the jiayah (a tax that applies only to non-Moslems) and that the non-believers willingly submit to their "humbled" status. This is why I call Islam a supremacist ideology- and it has been applied throughout the history of Islam.
Oh yes, Mohammad- the "role model for all men- kept sex slaves, and gave one unfortunate Jewish woman, whose husband he had killed, the "choice" of whether to be a wife or a sex slave. Islamic concept of free choice, I suppose. There is nothing comparable in Christianity.
Sir, your response was utterly banal and uninformed, and completely failed to make the most elementary distinctions. You are either ignorant, or engaging in deceit (perhaps engaging in the Moslem practice of taqqiya). Ok, I suppose you could be both.
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Back to the "I know you're correct, so I'll obfuscate and change the discussion" lines, eh "Jenn"?
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Christian Bible? Which version, the King James, which is edited, or the Catholic, which is full of "ALL SEX IS BAD" talk?
Thanks, NeverEnding
You notice that while this guy smears the name of Pamela Geller, nowhere does he cite anything she has said or done to substantiate his claims. Typical of his mentaity.
You notice that while this guy smears the name of Pamela Geller, nowhere does he cite anything she has said or done to substantiate his claims. Typical of his mentaity.
I notice you couldn't be bothered responding to anything I said. You simply adduce new erroneous material. Sheesh!
I have read various translations of the Bible that are commonly used by Protestants. I think your question is quite irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Say, did you ever read the Song of Solomon?
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With your final sentence you once again show your complete ignorance of Islam and fall back on the misinformation fed to you by the likes of Pamela Gellar.
If you knew anything about Islam you would know that whole lying to Infidels thing is actually concerning lying about their faith if it would mean they would be killed to admit it.
Al-Taqiyya is for the Muslim sect called Shiites, not allowed for majority of Muslims. 90% of Sunni Muslims disallow al-taqiyya. The Shi'ites regularly conceal their faith from Sunni Muslims when they are the political minority.
The word "al-Taqiyya”literally means: "Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.”
Sunnis assert that al-Taqiyya is an act of pure hypocrisy that serves to conceal the truth and reveal that which is the exact opposite (of the truth). Furthermore, according to those Sunnis, al-Taqiyya constitutes a lack of faith and trust in Allah because the person who conceals his beliefs to spare himself from eminent danger is fearful of humans, when, in fact, he should be fearful of Allah only. As such, this person is a coward.
Its not in Quran or Hadiths of mainstream Islam or true Islam.
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Nobody has to smear Pamela Gellar, she's a well known anti-islamic nut job who spews misinformation to low information types like you.
She won't pass over any opportunity to slander Islam, even if it makes her look unbelievably stupid.
Geller, who is Jewish, posted a critique of the Islamic halal practice of slaughtering animals for food in September 2010, kosher practice is almost identical.
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More Deception From Ulaven
In truth, Sir, there is a little more to it. You are definitely cherry picking, and repeating uncritically what you have been spoon fed (a common characteristic among followers of Islam and their defenders, I would suggest).
While taqiyya is more closely associated with Shia and Sunni Islam, its practice and theological justification is very much part of Sunni Islam. Here, for example, from Reliance of the Traveler, the classic Sunni manual,
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression..."
Of course, among the "permissible" goals is the furthering the cause of Islamic domination. Notice this esteemed "religious" tract says nothing about a person's life being in danger. In brief, a Moslem is free to lie if doing so furthers Islam, and Sunnis have been practicing that art for centuries.
Where did you get your information that, "90% of Sunni Muslims disallow al-taqiyya."? I do not believe you, not when such a fundamental work as Reliance of the Traveller- widely accepted in the Sunni world, including Al-Azhar University, the most widely respected institution of Islamic knowledge in the Sunni world, frequently cites its passages as being authoritative.
"Its not in Quran or Hadiths of mainstream Islam or true Islam."
This, sir, is simply an outright, blatant falsehood. While it may not formally qualify as taqiyyah, Muhammad himself used deception when he signed a 10 year treaty with the Meccans that granted him access to the city while he secretly prepared his own forces to conquer it. The unsuspecting residents were conquered after he broke the treaty two years later. Some of the people in the city who had trusted him were murdered. All this from the "role model for all men". No wonder Moslems so frequently consider themselves free to lie to the kaffir.
Would you like more evidence from the hadiths? Try this one:
Bukhari (the gold standard of reliable hadiths, even among Sunnis- 50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered. Bukhari is as "mainstream" Sunni Islam as you can get.
Deception is embedded in the DNA of Islam. And I suspect you know it full well.
Sir, you are quibbling over minutia. Yes, taqiyya has a rather tangled theological history. But deception is very much central to the belief system and traditions of Islam. Lying is permitted in Islam not merely when lives are at stake, but if, from the Moslem perspective, the end justifies the mean. For you to claim otherwise is simply, well, an exercise in taqiyya.
By the way, for all your snotty comments about Pamela Geller (and I happen to think she does sometimes go overboard sometimes), you have not cited anything that she has said or done that is hateful. You have it wrong, sir: she describes the hateful actions others.
In truth, Sir, there is a little more to it. You are definitely cherry picking, and repeating uncritically what you have been spoon fed (a common characteristic among followers of Islam and their defenders, I would suggest).
While taqiyya is more closely associated with Shia and Sunni Islam, its practice and theological justification is very much part of Sunni Islam. Here, for example, from Reliance of the Traveler, the classic Sunni manual,
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression..."
Of course, among the "permissible" goals is the furthering the cause of Islamic domination. Notice this esteemed "religious" tract says nothing about a person's life being in danger. In brief, a Moslem is free to lie if doing so furthers Islam, and Sunnis have been practicing that art for centuries.
Where did you get your information that, "90% of Sunni Muslims disallow al-taqiyya."? I do not believe you, not when such a fundamental work as Reliance of the Traveller- widely accepted in the Sunni world, including Al-Azhar University, the most widely respected institution of Islamic knowledge in the Sunni world, frequently cites its passages as being authoritative.
"Its not in Quran or Hadiths of mainstream Islam or true Islam."
This, sir, is simply an outright, blatant falsehood. While it may not formally qualify as taqiyyah, Muhammad himself used deception when he signed a 10 year treaty with the Meccans that granted him access to the city while he secretly prepared his own forces to conquer it. The unsuspecting residents were conquered after he broke the treaty two years later. Some of the people in the city who had trusted him were murdered. All this from the "role model for all men". No wonder Moslems so frequently consider themselves free to lie to the kaffir.
Would you like more evidence from the hadiths? Try this one:
Bukhari (the gold standard of reliable hadiths, even among Sunnis- 50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered. Bukhari is as "mainstream" Sunni Islam as you can get.
Deception is embedded in the DNA of Islam. And I suspect you know it full well.
Sir, you are quibbling over minutia. Yes, taqiyya has a rather tangled theological history. But deception is very much central to the belief system and traditions of Islam. Lying is permitted in Islam not merely when lives are at stake, but if, from the Moslem perspective, the end justifies the mean. For you to claim otherwise is simply, well, an exercise in taqiyya.
By the way, for all your snotty comments about Pamela Geller (and I happen to think she does sometimes go overboard sometimes), you have not cited anything that she has said or done that is hateful. You have it wrong, sir: she describes the hateful actions others.
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Nowhere do you bestir yourself to cite any of this "misinformation" that Pamela Gellar (sic) provides. It isn't slander, sir, if it's true. You simply repeat you mindless, unsubstantiated claims, I suppose in the hope that a lie repeated often enough will be accepted as truth.
As for kosher slaughter being "almost identical" to halal, that is simply a despicable lie. In kosher slaughter, an animal is dispatched with a sharp knife to the neck, and the poor animal is dispatched promptly. In halal, the animal must "bleed out", for hours in agony. I suppose in your pathetic mind the two are "almost identical". They are not. Vegetarian that I am, I recognize a world of difference between the two methods of animal slaughter.
You are a deeply disingenuous person. I might even guess that you are a dutiful Moslem.
Real bright, insightful comment there, with such an intricate syllogism. But of course, Moslems want to murder her because of her "slander" of their murderous thug of a "prophet". Two of them died trying.
It would be appropriate if, when you say someone is "full of shit", you could provide some supporting evidence. But I guess that would be too much to expect of the likes of you.
Despite Islam's roots in Judaism and Christianity (roots that many Moslem clerics would vehemently deny), I do not believe that Muslims worship "the same God" I do. They do not worship God at all. They worship of perversion of god dreamed up by a charismatic nutjob con-artist. That is, if this so-called "prophet" mohammad even existed in anything like the form presented in the Koran, which, I gather, is questionable.
I suspect you have a rather shallow perspective- perhaps even a secular one- of the God of Christianity and Judaism. But that is a discussion for another day.
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