Islam: A Religion of Peace? Or something else?

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A religion of peace? No, argues Abdul Maseeh—it is “the religion of fear.”
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“The Islamic Concept of Peace: Can The West Accept it?”
by Abdul Maseeh
[Excerpted from the original, appearing in Free Inquiry, Spring 2002, p. 39; product of an online discussion forum for the Institute for the Secularization of Islamic Society]

"After much research and reflection, I have come to understand the Islamic concept of peace as something like this: Peace comes through submission, which is the meaning of the word ‘Islam.’ This submission, of course, is submission to Muhammed and his concept of Allah in the Qur’an, in other words Islam again.
"Theoretically, peace exists inside ‘Dar-al-Islam,’ the House of Submission….Peace with Pagans is impossible….Christians and Jews…too are to be fought against until they are subdued and feel themselves subdued….
"To say that Islam is a religion of peace is not true. Islam is committed to war, both by the example of Muhammad, who fought on until he subdued Mecca and then other tribes, and by the Qur’an’s teaching supported by numerous passages in the Hadith. According to Amir Tahiri, editor of Politique International in Paris, of the thirty wars going on as of October 2001, twenty-eight involve Muslims fighting either non-Muslims or even other Muslims! ***The Qur’an does teach that Muslims are never to initiate war. But Islam has a strange way of putting this into practice. For example, Muslims are supposed to offer non-Muslims an opportunity to embrace Islam. If the non-Muslims refuse, this is viewed as aggression against Allah and Islam. Therefore Muslims are allowed to fight these ‘aggressors’ until they are converted or killed.***
"Perhaps the greatest proof that Islam is not a religion of peace is sura 4, verse 89, which proclaims that any who want to leave Islam (turn renegade) shall be put to death:
“But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them whereever ye find them” ***This makes Islam the religion of fear, not of peace.***
"There will be war in the world as long as people believe in Muhammed, his example, and his teaching. ***The Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war.***"
[***Emphasis added***]
 
Hanns

Hanns sind Sie wirklich trauriges loseres ohne Gehirne und ein kleiner Penis, werden Ihnen Stille Geschlecht MIT Ihrer murmeln gehabt? Wann werden Sie ein Leben erhalten?
 
Anyone stupid enough to strap a bomb to themself, then walk into an area full of innocents and let it off is violent, when they do it because of their religous beliefs the religion is violent.

Nuke the fuckers
 
CrystalHunting and Ishmael hashed this out long ago with good info...

Do a search.

Spare us.
 
]ooooo(chained) said:
CrystalHunting and Ishmael hashed this out long ago with good info...

Do a search.

Spare us.



Good memory,and it had some contribution from you as well as I recall.





CH
 
Limited at best compared to you two.

It's your religion and ISH actually did some research, something truly unheard of here in the land of rhetoric...

I'd go look it up, but Ish probably has it on speed-recall!

:D
 
yayati said:
some idiot is trying to make the connection to islam and peace...islam does not equal peace ok?

but we dont seek confrontation all the time either....we believe in live and let live but if muslims are oppressed or thrown out of their homes it is the duty of every muslim to defend their brothers and sisters across the globe...this might be in military sense or moral support sense...we are a peace loving ppl but don't start any sh/t with us or we will whoop ur a$$!

Well, I am now shitting myself......A poorly bred pigmy dog is threatening to whoop my ass.

you are some tough motherfucker little boy.
 
The religion isn't violent, people are violent. Religion is just a rallying tool and a tool of coersion to get people to follow. Just look at Christianity. More people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other religion in history.

There's basically a thin line between passion and fanaticism. Anything that people can become deeply passionate about, they will be willing to die for - love, freedom, nationality, religion, cultural tradition, greed, ...
 
sensational204 said:
The religion isn't violent, people are violent. Religion is just a rallying tool and a tool of coersion to get people to follow. Just look at Christianity. More people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other religion in history.

There's basically a thin line between passion and fanaticism. Anything that people can become deeply passionate about, they will be willing to die for - love, freedom, nationality, religion, cultural tradition, greed, ...

Another good reason to spread the calming influence of athiesm perhaps?
 
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This man is a white christian, he is also a serial killer, all white christians are serial killers:rolleyes:

hanns is white he is a serial killer. he certianly trys to sound like one, he speaks the speak, hanns is a tiny dicked serial killer, he is trying to stalk lit members so he can skin them to make a dress in the belief it will get his arse reamed.
 
Picture of hanns

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"Most serial killers are quite full of themselves," says Mike Rustigan, a criminology professor at San Francisco State University who has interviewed serial killers. "The prime mover with this guy, I'm sure, is the monstrous ego. He likes the attention. He loves the game."


they seem to be pretty fucking ugly bastards to, yet another link.
 
what it seems like to me is that we have an inquisition occuring again-

false prophets-users-kings-peasants on the hilltops-knights and damsels in distress..

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Mormons, militia nuts, racists and fools,

Buddists seem to be the ones stickin to the word-

they are silent and tending to the gardens...

:rose:
 
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