Is Uk anti everything sexual law going too far now

[pop_54]

Just been looking through some of the up coming legislation that's before the politicians over here for approval... some like the subject matter of this item:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=2439

Have been hovering about for a while... Will it make people safer in their beds??
(I chose the pinknews blurb cos the name amuses me)

Then there was a new one on me... A seriously secretive little snippet under consideration that's been quite well hidden among other stuff regarding banning members of the general public from taking photographs in public places... Apparently also to be part of the sex offenders act as well as anti terror act,. depending which one they can get you in court for I suppose... any Uk citizen wishing to object, go here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/

Will this also make you sleep better ???

There is a raft of proposed legislation over here at the moment... most of it designed to restrict law abiding people's right to do anything individually motivated, or to spy on/criminalise a large part of the population...

Discuss, if you wish

 

[minsue]

*shudder*

Both are overreaching, reactionary, and ill advised (ignorance is a beautiful thing, isn't it? ), but the second is especially disturbing. Will they be issuing ID cards to tourists on arrival so they can take pictures?

 

[Dragonteeth]

Right...

Let's get this straight...

If you want to take pictures of ANYTHING you need an ID card?

If you have nefarious intentions you may not be able to get an ID card?

If you have nefarieous intentions would you bother?

It's unenforceable.

Digital cameras can be made so small that they can redily be concealed in jewellery or clothing, not to mention the popularity of "camera phones"...

Quite asside from that? Who's going to be responsible for monitoring the MILLIONS of Japanese Tourists that flood out cities with cameras almost surgically grafted to their heads?

 

[pop_54]

*shudder*

Both are overreaching, reactionary, and ill advised (ignorance is a beautiful thing, isn't it? ), but the second is especially disturbing. Will they be issuing ID cards to tourists on arrival so they can take pictures?

That's what I was thinking Min... no more photo's of the wife and kids in front of Big Ben, no more pix of changing the guard at Buck house... Take a photo of the wife on the beach and God knows what they'll do to you/us... straight down the police station and name on the sex offenders register... All part of the Blair-Which? project though dear... Hey Uk residents can sign the petition

 

[janiexx]

Thank you for the link to the petitions website - I made sure I signed the photography one.

There's also several others I want to sign as well!

 

[neonlyte]

Interesting site Pops54 - I took a look at some of the rejected petitions, this one caught my eye: We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Build A Large Inpenetrable Fence Around Hull To Protect The Surrounding Areas From Those People.
Can't imagine why it was rejected

I signed the prohibition of photography petition.

 

[pop_54]

Right...

Let's get this straight...

If you want to take pictures of ANYTHING you need an ID card?

If you have nefarious intentions you may not be able to get an ID card?

If you have nefarieous intentions would you bother?

It's unenforceable.

Digital cameras can be made so small that they can redily be concealed in jewellery or clothing, not to mention the popularity of "camera phones"...

Quite asside from that? Who's going to be responsible for monitoring the MILLIONS of Japanese Tourists that flood out cities with cameras almost surgically grafted to their heads?

Well the government have just spent 29 million quid employing anti public place smoking wardens to snoop on smokers after that ban comes into place, (and fine transgressors 50 quid a time)... So I guess they'll employ another army of little hitler's to police the photography ban... Sign the petition friend, the anti pay by the mile petition seems to have worked maybe this one will

 

[minsue]

Hey Uk residents can sign the petition

Already did.

 

[pop_54]

Interesting site Pops54 - I took a look at some of the rejected petitions, this one caught my eye: We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Build A Large Inpenetrable Fence Around Hull To Protect The Surrounding Areas From Those People.
Can't imagine why it was rejected

I signed the prohibition of photography petition.

Yea the rejected ones made me chuckle too Will... It's good to know we haven't lost our sense of craziness just yet over here

I've signed three so far, the charge by mile car thing, this photography thing, and the porno images one... Not that I support extremes but that law would be too far reaching and too restrictive

 

[Dragonteeth]

Well the government have just spent 29 million quid employing anti public place smoking wardens to snoop on smokers after that ban comes into place, (and fine transgressors 50 quid a time)... So I guess they'll employ another army of little hitler's to police the photography ban... Sign the petition friend, the anti pay by the mile petition seems to have worked maybe this one will

I already signed the photography one...

I'm actually in favour of the public smoking ban, and "Pay By the mile" would be an excellent ALTERNATIVE to "Road Fund Licence" but I bet they try to stiff us drivers with BOTH.

 

[neonlyte]

Yea the rejected ones made me chuckle too Will... It's good to know we haven't lost our sense of craziness just yet over here

I've signed three so far, the charge by mile car thing, this photography thing, and the porno images one... Not that I support extremes but that law would be too far reaching and too restrictive

Can't agree with you on the mileage charge - it's going to happen regardless of the million odd signatures. The campaign is wrongly focussed on issues of privacy rather than economic benefits, and we all know the UK's blind attitude to privacy - as if 20 million street video cameras all have their lens caps on Every time you fuel for petrol, your car is photographed, everytime you use a loyalty card your preferences are recorded. We are the most monitored society on the planet.

 

[Vermilion]

Just been looking through some of the up coming legislation that's before the politicians over here for approval... some like the subject matter of this item:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=2439

Have been hovering about for a while... Will it make people safer in their beds??
(I chose the pinknews blurb cos the name amuses me)

Then there was a new one on me... A seriously secretive little snippet under consideration that's been quite well hidden among other stuff regarding banning members of the general public from taking photographs in public places... Apparently also to be part of the sex offenders act as well as anti terror act,. depending which one they can get you in court for I suppose... any Uk citizen wishing to object, go here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/

Will this also make you sleep better ???

There is a raft of proposed legislation over here at the moment... most of it designed to restrict law abiding people's right to do anything individually motivated, or to spy on/criminalise a large part of the population...

Discuss, if you wish

Signed the petition and sent an email to everyone in my uk address book telling them to do likewise.
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[pop_54]

I already signed the photography one...

I'm actually in favour of the public smoking ban, and "Pay By the mile" would be an excellent ALTERNATIVE to "Road Fund Licence" but I bet they try to stiff us drivers with BOTH.

I also agree with the restriction on smoking, but not to the extent they are going... Even though I smoke occasionally, I've never lit up in a restauraunt, (even when it was legal)... and have never smoked in the main house at home... My private workshop is a bit yellow mind you... Nothing wrong with a well ventilated set aside smoking area as long as it doesn't encroach on non smoking areas in any way... I do however strongly disagree with having another 29 million quid of public tax revenue spent on policing the ban in such a manner...

If the road pricing was to be a guaranteed stand alone system of charging road tax, with the removal of fuel duty and road fund tax, I'd support it... However they've gone back on the initial promise that it would be, now it's to be additional to the other two methods... A cash cow for the treasury again, so they can employ more anti smoking and anti photography police... Not to mention supporting a couple of illegal and immoral wars...

 

[Vermilion]

Can't agree with you on the mileage charge - it's going to happen regardless of the million odd signatures. The campaign is wrongly focussed on issues of privacy rather than economic benefits, and we all know the UK's blind attitude to privacy - as if 20 million street video cameras all have their lens caps on Every time you fuel for petrol, your car is photographed, everytime you use a loyalty card your preferences are recorded. We are the most monitored society on the planet.

But we're already being charged for travelling - petrol is taxed to infinity, we pay road tax - we shouldn't need to pay any more charges for travelling.
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[pop_54]

Can't agree with you on the mileage charge - it's going to happen regardless of the million odd signatures. The campaign is wrongly focussed on issues of privacy rather than economic benefits, and we all know the UK's blind attitude to privacy - as if 20 million street video cameras all have their lens caps on Every time you fuel for petrol, your car is photographed, everytime you use a loyalty card your preferences are recorded. We are the most monitored society on the planet.

Oh we know it will happen eventually, but the petition stopped them just forcing it through without making at least some concessionary statements... I know a lot of it is about privacy of which we have none, but nothing wrong with protesting is there... As I said I'd support road pricing if I thought it was 'road pricing' or a genuine effort to save the planet, not just another stealth tax... we are also the highest taxed nation in the free world already... If it were genuine they'd be making noises about improving public transport, (I'd love to avouid the traffic hassle and get a bus to work, I can't there isn't one that goes my way), but they aren't making noises about anything other than punishing people for using cars

 

[Vermilion]

Just been looking through some of the up coming legislation that's before the politicians over here for approval... some like the subject matter of this item:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=2439

Have been hovering about for a while... Will it make people safer in their beds??
(I chose the pinknews blurb cos the name amuses me)

There's a petition for this, too...

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Violent-Porn/

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

This one sort of caught my eye -

Considerably strengthen plans to make it a criminal offence to possess violent pornography or any images, in any media, which advocate, or risk causing, violent, and/or sexual, assaults on children or women

What's pornography? Who's judging? And according to this violent sexual assaults on Gays would be acceptable as long as they aren't children or women?

 

[Vermilion]

Have to say I was struck by the title of this petition...
make all traffic policemen wear clown suits whilst on duty.


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[pop_54]

Have to say I was struck by the title of this petition...
make all traffic policemen wear clown suits whilst on duty.


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I must sign that one (Just proves we haven't lost our sense of humour in spite of Blair's efforts to enforce that item as well)

 

[Vermilion]

Hey Pops - maybe you should try posting this into the BDSM forum too...
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[neonlyte]

But we're already being charged for travelling - petrol is taxed to infinity, we pay road tax - we shouldn't need to pay any more charges for travelling.
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I agree, agree, agree.

It has nothing to do with the cost of travelling and everything to do with the economics of moving people around.

The UK needs a fundamental shift from a personal car form of transportation to a cost effective public transport system available on demand. Where I live, just north of London, it costs me £11.00 train, £3.00 parking to go into London. If I drive in, it costs me petrol say £4.00 + congestion charge £8.00 + parking, upto £16.00 if I'm there for the day. If two or more are travelling, the economics favour the car.

In Lisbon, where I prefer to spend my time, £40.00 per month covers me for all travel, buses, ferries, metro, trams trains in a 40kilometre radius. Petrol costs the same here, parking is cheaper, currently, and we pay road tolls - electronically for using the bridges across the river and the motorway network. Public transport is cheaper than the car, so I rarely use it.

The debate on road-charging should be about providing a comprehensive low cost public transport system to compliment road-charging - not privacy issues.

It is easy to separate the privacy issues - the squashed image attached shows how this is done (it is part of a paper I wrote some years ago) and now in the public domain. The benefits of tagging vehicles vastly outweigh privacy issues which in any case don't exist since ownership can be confidentially maintained through separation of databases.

I could go on about this at some length but it will detract from Pops thread Essentially, I want a public transport system available on demand or within specified timeframes for Urban areas. I want to be able to see where the bus to the station is via my mobile and know if I leave home now for the bus stop, the bus will be there. I also want to limit car speeds in urban areas by automatic charging of excessive speeding and automatic vehicle imobilisation for repeat infringers. I also want the police to be able to track a vehicle involved in an abduction or serious crime, or at least, have a record of all vehicles in within the vicinity.

 

[scheherazade_79]

It's fucking ridiculous. For one thing, how can you really do an effective job of policing either of them?

I'm also getting fed up of "Mothers' Laws", or the knee-jerk new legislation that's always brought in after a high-profile murder. Objections?
1. Most of the ideas are unworkable.
2. I haven't yet come across any that would have prevented the original murder had they been in place.
3. The 'doing something constructive after a death of a loved one' thing is of more psychological benefit to the relatives of the victim than society as a whole.
4. Most of these laws are publicity stunts. You get a violent crime that everyone has heard of, so the government jump on the bandwagon and are seen to be doing something - even if it's a pile of bullshit when you read the small print.

I object to lots of things in this country - I object to being nagged about what I eat, ho often I exercise, how much I smoke, how much money I save, how much I drive and how many hours of television the children in my family watch. I object to being spied on almost 24/7 by security cameras. But most of all I totally object to being told how to live my life.

The only answer that springs to mind is "Fuck off and go and live your own lives, instead of prying into other people's."

 

[Chantilyvamp]

So basically if they get ahold of a my computer and see the picture of me kneeling with head on pillow wearing the locked cuffs and collar being flogged we could be arrested. Fucking lovely. Just another thing to add to this world has gone freaking nuts sometimes list.

The sneaky people always forget they need to actually spell out what the boundaries are so that other people done get in trouble. I sometimes hate politics.

I'll stop ranting and just go sign the petition

 

[matriarch]

Great site pops, thanks for that.

I found a few more I signed on.......and if I remember, Ogg put one up about the British Library a few days ago.

I've bookmarked it now, and will go back in there regularly to see what else has turned up.

As for the public photography one......totally unenforceable. When Min's folks were over for the wedding, we did the day trip to London thing....even in September it was packed to the gunnels, the place was absolutely heaving........just remembering the tourists in Trafalgar Square, The Mall, St. James' Park, Horse Guards, and all the way down past the public office, Downing STreet to Westminster Cathedral.......ye gods, the mind boggles at the thousands and thousands of people...and cameras.

Stupid idea.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Great site pops, thanks for that.

I found a few more I signed on.......and if I remember, Ogg put one up about the British Library a few days ago.

I've bookmarked it now, and will go back in there regularly to see what else has turned up.

As for the public photography one......totally unenforceable. When Min's folks were over for the wedding, we did the day trip to London thing....even in September it was packed to the gunnels, the place was absolutely heaving........just remembering the tourists in Trafalgar Square, The Mall, St. James' Park, Horse Guards, and all the way down past the public office, Downing STreet to Westminster Cathedral.......ye gods, the mind boggles at the thousands and thousands of people...and cameras.

Stupid idea.

My humerous side imagins hundreds of thousands a little Japanese tourists crowding the prisons for taking pictures of all the buildings they planned on buying