Is there a preferred way

[NeonSubtlety]

for posters to put things up for feedback before submitting them? I'd rather hear feedback, as I assume I need a lot of it, before my piece goes up for voting. Would Copy/Pasting into the forum be adequate?

I'm basically writing my first prose piece. And, I assume it's going to need to go through a couple stages of editing/revising before I feel good enough about it to open it to comparison.

And if I'm going to lean on the community here, I'd like to make it as easy as possible for you all.

 

[sr71plt]

Feedback here is for stories already posted to Literotica (see the explanatory slug of what the "Story Feedback" section is for. The Web site selects what is published to the Web site (and posting to the forum is just as published as posting to the story file) and it has certain types of material it doesn't want posted to Literotica.

You can post up to three paragraphs for preliminary help on grammar issues.

You might best, though, ask for a beta reader in the "Editors Forum" section--or you might do so here even, giving enough information on genre and wordage for someone to determine they might be willing to read it. The manuscript itself should be dealt with off the Web site, though.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

for posters to put things up for feedback before submitting them? I'd rather hear feedback, as I assume I need a lot of it, before my piece goes up for voting. Would Copy/Pasting into the forum be adequate?

I'm basically writing my first prose piece. And, I assume it's going to need to go through a couple stages of editing/revising before I feel good enough about it to open it to comparison.

And if I'm going to lean on the community here, I'd like to make it as easy as possible for you all.

I won't re-open my grouse that sr considers himself(wrongly)the gauleiter here.

Do you want me to give it a read?

 

[sr71plt]

Sure, send it to Elfin to read. That would be fine and it would give her something to actually do here other than pretend she's a player at Literotica.

 

[PennLady]

I won't re-open my grouse that sr considers himself(wrongly)the gauleiter here.

Do you want me to give it a read?

SR has said nothing that isn't backed up by posts by MistressLynn, or by the slug itself on the Story Feedback forum. I asked Lynn myself about this a couple of months ago, and she told me that a) the SF is not for full stories NOT published on Lit, and b) that three paragraphs or so was acceptable for authors to get some feedback and guidance. I personally think a numeric word limit might have been better but regardless, there is now a statement from a moderator here.

For someone who complains about the way the site works a lot of the time, you sure give grief to those of us who are trying to step up and help, albeit unofficially.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I won't re-open my grouse that sr considers himself(wrongly)the gauleiter here.

Do you want me to give it a read?

PILOT is LITs Rodney Dangerfield, and full-time Happy Hour Host.

 

[sr71plt]

Right about now is when Elfin is going to note that the listed moderator of this particular forum, Conformist, hasn't weighed in on this issue. So, I'll go ahead and point out that Conformist has been absent from Literotica for five and a half years--so Conformist is only slightly more current on the actual posting of stories to Literotica than Elfin is, who hasn't posted a story here for seven years.

In fact, chances are very, very good that Conformist is loooong gone and doesn't give a hoot about whatever is happening on this forum.

 

[NeonSubtlety]

I won't re-open my grouse that sr considers himself(wrongly)the gauleiter here.

Do you want me to give it a read?

Absolutely. I'm finishing up a first rough draft in the next day or two. And after I do a proofread for basic errors, I'll PM you to find where I should send the .wrd. Thank you.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Laurel has very kindly explained to me her views on Stories Feedback and I will summarize as it was a PM.

There is no prohibition on posting passages from work in progress but the forum VBulletin software can't handle long screeds of text very well so full stories are a no-no. How long is too long? Don't know, but since 750 words is the pass line for a lit story I guess passages of 400-500 words, with the text deleted after comments, might be a reasonable limit.

The main site is better equipped to handle full stories and with the improvements in the individual (on-story) feedback, this is mitigated. A long story needs either to be posted on the site or passed out to editors or beta-readers.

Lit would rather writers not post full stories not only for content reasons but because of the software limitations.

It is not a major violation for management provided the SF doesn't become nothing but posts of posts of stories. Action could then be needed to keep the forum running fast.

 

[sr71plt]

We'll see if that sinks in with you, Elfin. (I doubt it.)

 

[elfin_odalisque]

It just proves you are totally wrong, misrepresent the site and bully new writers.

I feel totally justified in proving you are wrong in most of the arrogance you write.

Your apology accepted.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, no. It means you aren't choosing to read the writing on the wall. Laurel affirmed everything we've been saying and added more.

I knew you'd choose not to understand.

What a mess you are, Elfin. Sad, pathetic creature.

The bottom line is exactly what the rest of us have been counseling, including a moderator who also checked with Laurel and who is a whole lot more believable than you are. Isn't it? ISN'T IT?

 

[PennLady]

It just proves you are totally wrong, misrepresent the site and bully new writers.

I feel totally justified in proving you are wrong in most of the arrogance you write.

Your apology accepted.

You're wrong. I don't see how you can read Laurel's message -- presuming you're accurate in what you told us she said -- and not realize that it supports what SR and I have said.

SR has said that it provides a runaround the content rules if people post stories here, and Laurel said (quoting from your post, emphasis mine): " Lit would rather writers not post full stories not only for content reasons but because of the software limitations." So content reasons are a concern.

I said that MistressLynn posted that limited excerpts from stories are acceptable. Laurel said, again quoting from your post:

I guess passages of 400-500 words, with the text deleted after comments, might be a reasonable limit

and:

A long story needs either to be posted on the site or passed out to editors or beta-readers.

So we were wrong, how?

 

[sr71plt]

It's good for everyone to hear this in stereo. Elfin, though, is a lost cause, living in her own little "easy button" fantasy world and being the disruptive element on this forum that she accuses me of being.

The very next time this comes up she'll go through this all over again--probably with someone not aware of any of the history of this forum--and she will have forgotten even what she herself posted about not posting a full story--only a small part of it--on this forum.

 

[PennLady]

It's good for everyone to hear this in stereo. Elfin, though, is a lost cause, living in her own little "easy button" fantasy world and being the disruptive element on this forum that she accuses me of being.

The very next time this comes up she'll go through this all over again--probably with someone not aware of any of the history of this forum--and she will have forgotten even what she herself posted about not posting a full story--only a small part of it--on this forum.

True but I guess every once in a while I need to bonk my head against that virtual wall...

 

[elfin_odalisque]

True but I guess every once in a while I need to bonk my head against that virtual wall...

I'll be happy to PM you with Laurel's comments, if you like, but she seems to be relaxed about posting non-published stories on this forum provided they don't take over or post too much text to make VBulletin slow down. Obviously, breach of story guidelines should be a report post issue.

In fact, exactly what the forum did before sr raised his arrogant hackles.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Sure, send it to Elfin to read. That would be fine and it would give her something to actually do here other than pretend she's a player at Literotica.

It might be more polite than your, paraphrased, "I don't read stories here" approach.