Is there a difference between Socialism, Marxism and Fascism?

[naughtycakes]

Wait for the poll, civic-minded peeps!

If you believe there's no diff, please explain yourself. If you believe there's a diff, lemme know what you think it is. Feel free to use concrete examples to illustrate your case.

And C&P jobs from Wiki get you no points, but feel free to post those, too, if it's all ya got.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism not long ago and he got badly bogged down on this definition.

 

[naughtycakes]

I read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism not long ago and he got badly bogged down on this definition.

Haven't read it myself, but Goldberg's on my to-do list

Language is a living, breathing animal, so definitions change, that's to be expected, but once words that mean different things start being used interchangeably, they lose all meaning.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Haven't read it myself, but Goldberg's on my to-do list

Language is a living, breathing animal, so definitions change, that's to be expected, but once words that mean different things start being used interchangeably, they lose all meaning.

He had to qualify his definition so heavily in order to make his point that it lost all meaning.

It's an interesting book though.

 

[naughtycakes]

He had to qualify his definition so heavily in order to make his point that it lost all meaning.

It's an interesting book though.

Fascism has become the it word. People use it to describe all kinds of things they view negatively, but fascism has a distinct meaning. You can't just slap it as a qualifier in front of anything you want, it just doesn't work that way.

Fascism and Socialism are on two different ends of the political spectrum, you can't claim that a government is both. It's either socialist or fascist; it either discourages private enterprise or it prioritizes it above the rights of individuals. You really can't have both.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Fascism has become the it word. People use it to describe all kinds of things they view negatively, but fascism has a distinct meaning. You can't just slap it as a qualifier in front of anything you want, it just doesn't work that way.

Fascism and Socialism are on two different ends of the political spectrum, you can't claim that a government is both. It's either socialist or fascist; it either discourages private enterprise or it prioritizes it above the rights of individuals. You really can't have both.

Not so fast! European fascism (Mussolini and Hitler) certainly had socialist roots.

 

[naughtycakes]

Not so fast! European fascism (Mussolini and Hitler) certainly had socialist roots.

Hitler was not a fascist. He was a dictator, but he wasn't a fascist.

You can claim fascism had socialist roots - as many do - but so what? Every form of government has roots from previous forms or schools of thought. All Western political thought has roots in Greek philosophy, so does that make all Western political thought Greek?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Hitler was not a fascist. He was a dictator, but he wasn't a fascist.

You can claim fascism had socialist roots - as many do - but so what? Every form of government has roots from previous forms or schools of thought. All Western political thought has roots in Greek philosophy, so does that make all Western political thought Greek?

Once you start looking at fascist regimes and trying to pick out commonalities, it gets kind of weird. In the end, all Goldberg was able to come up with was the idea of an entire society mobilising for permanent war....like the liberal War On Poverty, etc. (That was his big connecting link!)

 

[Minkey Boodle]

I had socialized with Marxist once, and there were faces involved.

 

[naughtycakes]

Once you start looking at fascist regimes and trying to pick out commonalities, it gets kind of weird. In the end, all Goldberg was able to come up with was the idea of an entire society mobilising for permanent war....like the liberal War On Poverty, etc. (That was his big connecting link!)

It's an interesting concept, and I'm sure one which you can't boil down into a pithy blurb.

The one qualifier I can wrap my mind around is corporate fascism - that's something I can grasp.

I realize there's a big gap between theory and practice, and it's very cut and dry when you talk about the difference between fascism and socialism as concepts, but it does get dicey when you look at fascist and socialist regimes. The problem is, most people attach positive or negative connotations to both concepts, depending on their own political leanings, so they tend to blame socialism or fascism for the faults of the regime, when that fault usually lies with the ruler, not the form of government.

 

[naughtycakes]

I had socialized with Marxist once, and there were faces involved.

Faack, I thought I read feces.



I'm so glad it was faces involved, haha.

How ya doin', girlie-girl?

 

[Minkey Boodle]

How ya doin', girlie-girl?

aahahahaha!! Feces...

Oh, you know... livin' the dream. How 'bout yourself, sweetlumps?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I had socialized with Marxist once, and there were faces involved.

Groucho or Harpo?

 

[naughtycakes]

aahahahaha!! Feces...

Oh, you know... livin' the dream. How 'bout yourself, sweetlumps?

Lumpy and lovin' it!

I got chive seeds today and organic soil and a nice little planter, yay! I've got a big basil plant going, cilantro, mint and arugula and the bf just planted a big tomato plant. We've been looking for a chive plant everywhere, but they're always out, so I just broke down and bought the seeds. I don't know though, the plants are a lot easier, we'll see.

 

[off2bed]

Words have no meaning. When called a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist, Leftists immediately deconstruct the words to mean anything other than what they believe, thus escaping the inevitable stigma.

Fascism, of course, is not tied to a particular ideology. You can be a fascist about any particular -ism that you like.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Words have no meaning. When called a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist, Leftists immediately deconstruct the words to mean anything other than what they believe, thus escaping the inevitable stigma.

Fascism, of course, is not tied to a particular ideology. You can be a fascist about any particular -ism that you like.

Yeah, I vote for that: "particularism"

I've always been effete.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Yeah, I vote for that: "particularism"

I've always been effete.

...and impudent snob.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Wait one fucking minute here!

Am I the only one who wants a corn dog?

I never had one before .... like.... a year ago or something.... but I like them now.

Given the choice between political philosophy and a really good corn dog....


* sigh *

I'm hungry.

 

[naughtycakes]

Words have no meaning. When called a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist, Leftists immediately deconstruct the words to mean anything other than what they believe, thus escaping the inevitable stigma.

Fascism, of course, is not tied to a particular ideology. You can be a fascist about any particular -ism that you like.

That wasn't the question.

I don't care what you think leftists do.

My question to you is do you believe there's any difference between socialsim, Marxism and fascism and can one person be all three at once.

 

[Karen Kraft]

...and impudent snob.

That too, of course, but focusing on corn dogs right now. You know, the important stuff.

We all went to high school; we all studied Karl Marx (and Groucho and Harpo) and we all came to grips with socialism, fascism, and Mao Thought.

But I am the ONLY impudent snob here who wants to major in corn dogs.

Count me in when the commander calls mustard.

* blink *

 

[rosco rathbone]

That too, of course, but focusing on corn dogs right now. You know, the important stuff.

We all went to high school; we all studied Karl Marx (and Groucho and Harpo) and we all came to grips with socialism, fascism, and Mao Thought.

But I am the ONLY impudent snob here who wants to major in corn dogs.

Count me in when the commander calls mustard.

* blink *

Ironic snacks

 

[off2bed]

I like corn dogs.

Is there a difference between the three? Yes. Can one person be all three at once? Yes. (Marx was a Marxist and a Socialist.)

 

[firespin]

I found this helpful guide:

"Pure Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one of your cows and gives it to your neighbor. You're both forced to join a cooperative where you have to teach your neighbor how to take care of his cow.

Bureaucratic Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as its regulations say you should need.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure Communism: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian Communism: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

Communism: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for you share of the milk, but it's so long that the milk is sour by the time you get it."

 

[Karen Kraft]

Ironic snacks

Snacks have made me what I am today !!!!


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And every time someone buys any of the above,
it's just like fucking Tinkerbell -- KK makes bank.
Okay, bank the size of schnauzers
(como mini-vacas al Jack in the Box),
but it's bank.​

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[Byron In Exile]

Is there a difference between naughtycakes and cornbreadcakes?

This is the sort of thing people really care about.