Is The Pope Dead Yet?

[OhMissScarlett]

Uh, just checking. So, what happens when he dies? Will there be some national day of mourning or something?

 

[rgraham666]

Sorry, let my dislike for the man overcome me.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Uh, just checking. So, what happens when he dies? Will there be some national day of mourning or something?

Traditionally there is a nine day mourning period.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

We can only pray.

Maybe there will be t-shirts.

 

[Guest]

I've gotta say it: bad taste.

Despite our religious beliefs, a man is laying dying. And, I believe, a very good man at that.

(I know it was just a joke and I'm not at all religious, let alone Catholic, but I respect the guy.)

 

[cloudy]

I've gotta say it: bad taste.

Despite our religious beliefs, a man is laying dying. And, I believe, a very good man at that.

(I know it was just a joke and I'm not at all religious, let alone Catholic, but I respect the guy.)

I agree. I'm not even Christian, but a good man is a good man.

 

[English Lady]

Tripley agreed.

Lou and Cloudy have said it well.


The pope is a good man

 

[carsonshepherd]

The Pope is a good man ... his stance on women's rights not withstanding, ahem.

This morning, Vegas oddsmakers were giving 16:1 he'd be passing from this world within the next day or two.

 

[English Lady]

I'm posting once more then I hope this thread is left to just fall away somewhere.

This guy is dying. I don't believe its nice to make fun of ANYONE who is on their death bed.

I'm saddened I even have to type those words to be brutally honest.

Normally I don't get involved..I leave things be but this struck a raw nerve. Forgive my emotional outburst.

Respect the guy. please.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Hmm, maybe I did come off as sounding a bit callous.
then again, I am pure evil.

 

[tolyk]

Personally, I don't see the original post in the thread as an insult or attack on his holiness.. She was curious. *shrug*

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Personally, I don't see the original post in the thread as an insult or attack on his holiness.. She was curious. *shrug*

That's right and even though I am no fan of the catholic church, the original post was only intended as a question as to what sort of media circus and mayhem will we be subject to.

 

[Guest]

Weeeeelllll...
i put a personal call in and we did have a chat. he said hes just disgusted with the way things are going and couldnt give two shits (no, really thats what he said) about america. seems we've pissed him off. anyway... after several heavy breathing sessions, which im sure were not sexual, he told me that im absolved from all my sins after i said ten hail mary's. i think i almost made him laugh when i dead panned "hail mary" ten times. yeah, hes a good guy but hes not long for this world...
hes got a really super important meeting with god. (i told him he was a shoe in for heaven...this got a sputtered laugh) told him i was sorry he wouldnt be calling me any more (976 HOTBABE) BUT that i hope that his trip would be an easy one.

 

[angela146]

It is a disservice to JPII's legacy to be less than honest about him.

He did not shrink from controversy and whitewashing his effect on the world is a failure to live up to his example. He confronted us from his heart and soul and did not expect us to agree with him.

On the one hand, he had a powerful positive effect on world peace and the liberation of those enslaved by communism.

On the other hand, his staunch insistence on priest celibacy, his refusal to ordain women, his continued imposition of draconian restrictions on sexuality and life have been profoundly destructive to the church. He has inflicted unnecessary guilt and suffering on each and every individual in his flock.

He was certainly one of the most sincere and non-hypocritical religious leaders ever.

But to say that he was a "good man"... I don't think that's fair to him.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Forgive my callous feelings, but I have a hard time with all of this. Priests were alllowed to be, even sheltered as pedophiles for years under this mans watch.

Good men do what ever is necessary to protect children. The problem was there and was known. Yet the only thing that was done was to keep it quiet and reassign the priests so that it could happen again.

I'll stop now.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I'm not catholic. I don't agree with much or the RCC's dogma and violently disagree with mych of the Pontiff's worldview. That said, the man has done alot to drag the church, kicking and screaming I might add, into the 16th century.

He was instrumental in freeing Poland and Eastern Europe from the communist yolk and he has proven to be a brave man, standing up to criticism for some of his policies that no Pope has ever had to endure. He hasn't been cowed, has stood his ground and has, imho, done about as much admirable as any Pope in recent history.

I wish him well as he passess into the next life and leaves this one behind. He leaves with a lot of good done to his credit and in the final reckoning, what more can any man hope for?

 

[LadyJeanne]

I'll add that I didn't consider Scarlett's question facetious at all. CNN reported him dead when I turned on the TV this afternoon - POPE DIES - was across the bottom of the screen, and they were talking about how his EKG was flat.

Then, they came back and said the Vatican hadn't confirmed this, and that he was still alive, but fading.

I was wondering what was what myself.

 

[Liar]

Ok, question still hangs in the air. What happens? The pope signing off is kindof a Big Deal. For instance, should I approach Catholics with caution for a few days? And on a bigger scale, what happens with the church, who's the next pope in line, how long until taking the office, is there an interim pope?

#L

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Ok, question still hangs in the air. What happens? The pope signing off is kindof a Big Deal. For instance, should I approach Catholics with caution for a few days? And on a bigger scale, what happens with the church, who's the next pope in line, how long until taking the office, is there an interim pope?

#L

I believe, the college of cardinals will meet and select a new pope. It can be a short process or it can take multiple votes and many days.

Catholics are, I believe, in mourning for some number of days or weeks.

There is no interim pope as such, but there is a kind of heirachy within the college of cardinals that would let someone make day to day decisions in The Vatican.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/01/pope.whos.in.charge.ap/index.html

That article explains how things are run while a Pope is ill and what happens once he passes.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

For instance, should I approach Catholics with caution for a few days?

Well, more than the official period of mourning, I think the important thing to note is that it is a time of grief and apprehension. That being said, we're still the same people as always. I'm a Roman Catholic gay woman, so I know I'm going to hell anyway.

Of course that the Pope is somewhat of a spiritual father for all Catholics, so, if you're the kind of person that thinks it's so funny to have a conversation along the lines of...

"Is Anne's father dead yet?"

"We can only pray. "

"Maybe there will be t-shirts. "​

...while Anne is in the room, I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say that maybe - maybe - it was only a matter of time until you ended on Anne's shit-list anyway.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

It is a disservice to JPII's legacy to be less than honest about him.

He did not shrink from controversy and whitewashing his effect on the world is a failure to live up to his example. He confronted us from his heart and soul and did not expect us to agree with him.

On the one hand, he had a powerful positive effect on world peace and the liberation of those enslaved by communism.

On the other hand, his staunch insistence on priest celibacy, his refusal to ordain women, his continued imposition of draconian restrictions on sexuality and life have been profoundly destructive to the church. He has inflicted unnecessary guilt and suffering on each and every individual in his flock.

He was certainly one of the most sincere and non-hypocritical religious leaders ever.

But to say that he was a "good man"... I don't think that's fair to him.

Hey, no ones perfect. Let's face it, that's not a bad resume at all.

Most people have things like child abuse and adultery on thier resume. We forget sometimes that being religious, even a leader as such, doesn't make you less human. The guy didn't kill anyone (necessarily; I'll admit I don't watch the clergy, but I doubt he did much first hand murdering child molesting), and his beliefs are his, pope or not. He might have made mistakes, but on the whole, hey, that's not so bad.

And last I heard, he was still breathing.

Q_C

 

[davidwatts]

He was likely much better than those before him, and I don't wish bad things toward anyone, but there's been a lot of really wretched things that have gone on in that corporation for centuries.

Then again, if what they have been preaching is for real, there's been a whole lot of payback going on up there already, with a lot more to follow. Most of my thoughts are with those who have been harmed by trusted ones who either participated, or looked the other way.

 

[SeaCat]

As of 1910 Eastern Standard Time, U.S. he is still alive.

Was the Pope a good man or not? That is up to personal ideas. As far as I'm concerned he was a man of Honor. He stood up for what he believed in. He has honestly helped people, not counting those his actions helped free from communism. Yes he made some what I consider bad decisions, but he did what he had to do. (Remember he is the Pope, not the dictator of the Vatican. He too deals with politics, and from what little I have heard the internal politics of the Vatican make those here in the United States look like a schoolyard spat.) Yes I would consider him a good man, one whom I think it would have been interesting to sit down and have a chat with.

Is it morbid my being interested in how he is doing? and what will happen when he dies? Maybe, but that's how it is.

As for how will the Catholics react to his death? I think that will depend on the Catholic you are talking to.

Cat

 

[sweetnpetite]

Was the Pope a good man or not?
Cat

The Pope is Catholic. (No!) So I figure, let God judge him. Let followers, supporters, fans, and other compasionate souls mourn him. Let the rest go on with their bad selves and just not pay no nevermind.