Is real better, or does it matter?

[sr71plt]

I'm on the beam with Desiremaker. . . on erotic writing being about sexual arousal in the reader, and I think that's a nifty way of looking at it.

When you start talking about erotic writing not having to be erotic, you've lost me altogether (but it's OK with me if you want to think that).

 

[Dyslexicea]

Dyslexicea, I'm not sure what your point is there. It seems to be that REAL SEX is the sex you have-- the sex other people have doesn't count. "It's just porn."

I am also not convinced that erotic writing is REAL SEX either, per Desiremakesmeweak. At least, not for me. A real tool for orgasms, sure. And my hand in my crotch, the jilling, the orgasms are real sex. But as much as I've gotten off on writing and reading, it's never felt... real. Just what I wish was real.

No Stella, my point was that Desiremakesmeweak said for a story to be erotic it had to have REAL SEX which is not true. Example, Fantasy sex with a mystical animal, which technically isn't reality, but it surly can be erotic. I'm not into fantasy but I have read some fantasy that is erotic and also stimulating.

Adding that sex is many things and none of us can define what REAL SEX is except for ourselves, so none of us has a right to say sex has to fit his/her definition.

I surely don't believe if it isn't my kind of sex, sex between women, that it's porn, that was not my point. My point was that a story which main purpose is sex descriptions, with ever little else is not Erotic Literature, it's Pornographic Literature. I have nothing against Pornographic Literature but it is not Erotic Literature. Erotic can include sex scene or not, it's not the sex scene that make a story Erotic Literature. In some stories sex can be the icing on the cake, in others the sex is so bad it makes the cake inedible but in either case it's not the cake.

 

[sr71plt]

No, that's not what DesireM. posted. The post was that erotic writing was sex, and it went on to say, "the actual answer is about what the reader responds to." If it evokes physical arousal in the reader it's real sex. That's what I took from DesreM's post. Maybe to you sexual arousal isn't sex. I suppose that's debatable.

I would agree that if an attempt at erotica writing didn't sexually arouse the author and/or reader, it's not really erotica. But I also believe that if it does either or both of those it's a real sex experience.

 

[Dyslexicea]

No, that's not what DesireM. posted. The post was that erotic writing was sex, and it went on to say, "the actual answer is about what the reader responds to." If it evokes physical arousal in the reader it's real sex. That's what I took from DesreM's post. Maybe to you sexual arousal isn't sex. I suppose that's debatable.

I would agree that if an attempt at erotica writing didn't sexually arouse the author and/or reader, it's not really erotica. But I also believe that if it does either or both of those it's a real sex experience.

You are right Pilot I misread what he wrote.

I don't think a story has to arouse a person to be erotic. But even if it does, I'm not sure you can say it's a real sex experience, maybe a sexual experience or it was the cause of a sex experience. You know like you wrap your fingers around that thingy of yours and make love to yourself.

Sex, if we're not referring to gender, is a physical act, where arousal may lead to sex, that is not always the case.

Maybe you think I'm being picky, sex versus sexual but you writers, or wannabe writers, make such a point of the proper use of words.

 

[sr71plt]

As I posted, whether you believe that sexual arousal is physical sex or not is debatable. I do. I get a physical response from it. If I didn't, it's not arousing or, to, me, erotic. It can be good writing, but that's not the point. The point is whether I consider it erotic.

Think I'll run off and see what stories you've posted to Literotica--since you brought up "wanna be writer." (OK, I checked. Pretty much as I thought.)

 

[PennLady]

You are right Pilot I misread what he wrote.

I don't think a story has to arouse a person to be erotic. But even if it does, I'm not sure you can say it's a real sex experience, maybe a sexual experience or it was the cause of a sex experience. You know like you wrap your fingers around that thingy of yours and make love to yourself.

Sex, if we're not referring to gender, is a physical act, where arousal may lead to sex, that is not always the case.

Maybe you think I'm being picky, sex versus sexual but you writers, or wannabe writers, make such a point of the proper use of words.

I see a sort of point in here. Certainly there are many erotic stories on this site that would not arouse me, so to me they are not erotic, but they are erotic to someone else. Same with my own stories -- some will find them erotic, some not. But in an absolute value sense all of the stories (except those in non-erotic) are erotic.

And "a sexual experience" covers all kind of territory. So a real sexual experience (IMO) can range from simply feeling aroused to masturbating to having sex with someone(s) else.

I do think you can write an erotic story without having people having sex with each other, such as a voyeur story. But I think the level of "erotic" would be up to the individual reader.

 

[SamScribble]

I see a sort of point in here. Certainly there are many erotic stories on this site that would not arouse me, so to me they are not erotic, but they are erotic to someone else. Same with my own stories -- some will find them erotic, some not. But in an absolute value sense all of the stories (except those in non-erotic) are erotic.

And "a sexual experience" covers all kind of territory. So a real sexual experience (IMO) can range from simply feeling aroused to masturbating to having sex with someone(s) else.

I do think you can write an erotic story without having people having sex with each other, such as a voyeur story. But I think the level of "erotic" would be up to the individual reader.

As a good friend of mine often says: When it comes to effective writing, it's not so much a matter of what the writer puts in but what the reader takes out.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

As a good friend of mine often says: When it comes to effective writing, it's not so much a matter of what the writer puts in but what the reader takes out.

Throwing a ball perfectly doesnt guarantee it will be caught.

 

[oggbashan]

Throwing a ball perfectly doesnt guarantee it will be caught.

Throwing a ball badly doesn't mean it won't be caught.

Several people thought this http://www.literotica.com/s/bagged-at-the-opera story of mine wasn't erotic. One thought it was.

I'm impressed

I'm a married female in her 30's, currently on anti-depressants that made my sex drive go fron 55mph to maybe 5 at best. (With my husband using every trick in the book--so to speak--at once).
That was well written, imaginative, and sexy. Plus, I think someone just FLOORED the gas pedal to the metal. Thanks. I needed that. Writer? Try to publish! You can do it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Throwing a ball badly doesn't mean it won't be caught.

Several people thought this http://www.literotica.com/s/bagged-at-the-opera story of mine wasn't erotic. One thought it was.

I'm impressed

I'm a married female in her 30's, currently on anti-depressants that made my sex drive go fron 55mph to maybe 5 at best. (With my husband using every trick in the book--so to speak--at once).
That was well written, imaginative, and sexy. Plus, I think someone just FLOORED the gas pedal to the metal. Thanks. I needed that. Writer? Try to publish! You can do it.

Yes, everyone has his own arousal generator. I reviewed a newbie story today, gave the writer a 4 because the tale is better than average but not so good as some 5 star fare I've read. I didnt care for the theme but I dont score for theme. I score for construction, attention to details, grammar/spelling, are their conflicts and issues and resolutions, and WTF eruptions. I shouldnt ding BDSM or Gay cuz they dont interest me.

 

[jay14645]

LIKE WHAT I SAW...smile

I have read probably over 1000's of stories on lit. Some are fiction, fantasies and reality.

But one thing is for sure........ some stories Really turn me on, some do't and some I don't read all the way because it is not imaginative enough or capture my interest...

I hope I answered your question

 

[electric1]

If an author starts by announcing the story is real, I'm less likely to read it because I assume the story will have low-quality.

If it really is a true story, then the author lacks the imagination and story-telling skills to write a better story than what just happened to occur.

If it's not a true story, then the author is scrounging for an excuse to cover his inability to write a better story, like, "Sure I'm a good writer, but it just so happens that what happened is something that sounds stupid. It's not my fault."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I keep saying that real sex isnt all THAT great, cuz it comes with plenty of damage and blemishes that fictional sex doesnt have. Like the time I walked in on my daughter humping her boyfriend on the sofa. It bummed her out. It bummed me out. Real sex aint the Bolshoi Ballet.

 

[Dyslexicea]

As I posted, whether you believe that sexual arousal is physical sex or not is debatable. I do. I get a physical response from it. If I didn't, it's not arousing or, to, me, erotic. It can be good writing, but that's not the point. The point is whether I consider it erotic.

Think I'll run off and see what stories you've posted to Literotica--since you brought up "wanna be writer." (OK, I checked. Pretty much as I thought.)

Why is it Pilot if I say white you'll say black?

As far as being a writer, I'm not but at least I admit it.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Why is it Pilot if I say white you'll say black?

As far as being a writer, I'm not but at least I admit it.

He does that because you are a smart, outspoken lesbian who doesn't kowtow to his ass. He hates and is afraid of us. I think in his heart of hearts he wishes that he would have been born a smart, outspoken lesbian, but ahimè...

I also think the last pair of CFM heels he bought (and wears exclusively in the closet) are a bit too tight. Just my opinion, but it would explain his pissy, prissiness.



*****


Pilot is going to yowl and then accuse me/you of being you/me in 3... 2... 1...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Am I the only one who thinks our faggots oughta take their quarrels over to FAGGOTS & FREAKS?

 

[glynndah]

Some of my stories are "real", that is, based on true events, but with the exception of one, I don't say which ones. A good little witch likes to keep an air of mystery about her.

 

[lovecraft68]

Why is it Pilot if I say white you'll say black?

As far as being a writer, I'm not but at least I admit it.

Because you are not bowing down to his alleged expertise.

Pure and simple.

Pilot is like my wife's cat. Pet and stroke him and he purrs and looks at you with that look of "as it should be"

Ignore him or disagree and he hisses and slashes with his claws.

And trust me, no matter what you've done he's done it and better.

I keep waiting for someone to post they won a shit eating contest so he will come back and say he did as well, but of course he ate bigger and smellier turds.

Write for fun and ignore the idiot.

 

[lovecraft68]

He does that because you are a smart, outspoken lesbian who doesn't kowtow to his ass. He hates and is afraid of us. I think in his heart of hearts he wishes that he would have been born a smart, outspoken lesbian, but ahimè...

I also think the last pair of CFM heels he bought (and wears exclusively in the closet) are a bit too tight. Just my opinion, but it would explain his pissy, prissiness.



*****


Pilot is going to yowl and then accuse me/you of being you/me in 3... 2... 1...

You're correct except it has nothing to do with being a Lesbian. The smart and outspoken is what he disagrees with.

remember you're talking about someone who pretends to be bi-sexual so I am sure he will say Lesbians are "cool" to him.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Some of my stories are "real", that is, based on true events, but with the exception of one, I don't say which ones. A good little witch likes to keep an air of mystery about her.

The good little witch is wise.

 

[lovecraft68]

Personally I kind of like real as far as storyline goes. If the actual sex stretches the limits I'm fine with that as long as its not ridiculous, but if the story itself is totally implausible it kills any chance of being arousing for me.

That's why although I enjoy incest stories, I'm choosy with the authors I read.

Ironically the real masters of "are you kidding" incest stories are the ones that get all the favs.

 

[sr71plt]

I keep waiting for someone to post they won a shit eating contest so he will come back and say he did as well, but of course he ate bigger and smellier turds.

Ah, but you do that all the time here, and I just ignore you. No one is more me, me, me here than you. We all know what you want to do with your sister, that you are violent and not too bright, that you have a criminal record, what jobs you've had, that you were quitting your job in November to be a best-selling author, that you are writing a 110-000-word novel, that you're a marshal arts champion and love your guns and spend your time sitting by your door hoping someone will come through it you can shoot, what positions you and your wife like in bed, etc . . .

I counted the days that you were quiet on this campaign after Laurel and TxRad slapped you down. You didn't make a week.