Is Mel Gibson Trying to be John Wayne?

[lavender]

 

[Svedish_Chef]

He was already in a classic war movie a long time ago.

Breaker Morant.

 

[mig]

Mel Gibson

as John Wayne,nah never work.

JW about 6'12", MG about 4'2"

 

[scylis]

to be accurate, it will have the patriotic stuff in there, lav. what it will also have is those brave, patriotic soldiers losing their minds after seeing too damn many of their friends being killed by the very people they were trying to protect, enemy soldiers, and just plain bad luck. it will show heroic acts committed by brothers in arms, horrible massacres committed by both friend and foe upon the civilian population, and horrific and tradgic death on all sides. it will show the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, raw emotion and cold callousness. it will show all of this.....

....if it is accurate.

if it isn't, then it will only show one side of war, the good or the bad.

movies are getting better about showing both sides to war as time goes by, so hopefully this one won't be a flaming sack of kitty crap.

and i never trust a movie's trailer to give me an accurate picture of the plot. trailers like to give their movies an appealing look to them rather than an actual protrayal of what the movies are like.

 

[sch00lteacher]

Gibson was born in the USA.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

He was already in a classic war movie a long time ago.

Breaker Morant.

And Gallipoli, before that.

 

[OUTSIDER]

Tonight I saw the preview for an upcoming movie. The movie is about Vietnam. It's a huge let's praise the American troops for their bravery and juevos type film. Of course, Mel Gibson is the leader of the group. That puts him as the head of the fighting forces in Braveheart, The Patriot, and now a Vietnam movie.

First, I sure as hell don't want to see an inaccurate portrayal of Vietnam that is bleedingly patriotic. Second, what's up with Mel Gibson, an Australian, in all these movies involving American soldiers.

Never said, he's trying to be John Wayne. *shrugs*

I'm pissed about this movie. The trailer made me cringe.

Mmmm......if nothing else it shows he has business accumen, with the US in a war right now and national pride whipped up after sept 11 the market is just right for a war movie.

I'm just glad it isn't the Brit's who are gonna be the bad guy's this time, it seems we're the only ethnic group it's ok to denigrate.

 

[April]

I'm sure the movie was made long before Sept, so it's not like it was whipped up just to take advantage of patriotic feeling. The release date was juggled. So what? It happens every year to take advantage of Christmas releases.

 

[Bob Peale]

Second, what's up with Mel Gibson, an Australian, in all these movies involving American soldiers.

Technically, Mel Gibson is an American. He was born in Albany, NY, and lived there until he was 11

*ducking*

 

[bluespoke]

OK, fair enough, Mel Gibson is an American.


Therefore, by that logic, Bob Hope is British.


Arise Sir Bob!!

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Is Mel Gibson Trying to be John Wayne?

I'm just glad it isn't the Brit's who are gonna be the bad guy's this time, it seems we're the only ethnic group it's ok to denigrate.

Ethnic group?

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Historically the English are an ethnic group. Modern England is a multicultural nationality, but it's still a distinct ethnicity too. The name "England" is a derivation of "Angle land", the Angles being one of the primary tribes from which the English people arose (the other primary one being the Saxons, hence "Anglo-Saxon").

We live in an age of multi-culturalism and its in vogue to make movies from minority perspectives. The English have been one of the most successful peoples in the history of the world and have long been celebrated by the popular culture, so it would seem it's time for the to get their comeuppance. In just the last few years the following movies had painted the English as the bad guys:

*Rob Roy: Scottish man of integrity framed by an an evil foppish bastard English nobleman fights to clear his name.
*Braveheart: Freedom-loving Scot martyred for leading his people against the English oppressors.
*The Patriot: American colonist decides to fight for freedom against the English oppressors.
*In the Name of the Father: Irishman in England is wrongly imprisoned for an act of IRA terrorism. When evidence of his innocence starts turning up, the English suppress it.
*Michael Collins: Irishman struggles to gain independence for his country. Guess against whom?

Does anyone else have any to add?

 

[Cheyenne]

Unless it is advertisized as a documentary, why would you expect it to be historically accurate? It's entertainment!

Most war movies are not accurate. It is only recently that some have tried to show the blood and gore (Saving Private Ryan) of what war is really like.

If the trailer is showing you that this movie wouldn't be something you're interested in seeing, there is a solution. Just don't go see it.

 

[Marxist]

Unless it is advertisized as a documentary, why would you expect it to be historically accurate? It's entertainment!

Most war movies are not accurate. It is only recently that some have tried to show the blood and gore (Saving Private Ryan) of what war is really like.

If the trailer is showing you that this movie wouldn't be something you're interested in seeing, there is a solution. Just don't go see it.

Which do you remember better, Shakespeare's Richard III or the one in the history books?

 

[Rick DeVille]

Which do you remember better, Shakespeare's Richard III or the one in the history books?

Richard III was real?

 

[ExLimey]

He was already in a classic war movie a long time ago.

Breaker Morant.

Might want to go recheck that (Unless he was an extra in the background somewhere)

 

[Problem Child]

*Rob Roy: Scottish man of integrity framed by an an evil foppish bastard English nobleman fights to clear his name.
*Braveheart: Freedom-loving Scot martyred for leading his people against the English oppressors.
*The Patriot: American colonist decides to fight for freedom against the English oppressors.
*In the Name of the Father: Irishman in England is wrongly imprisoned for an act of IRA terrorism. When evidence of his innocence starts turning up, the English suppress it.
*Michael Collins: Irishman struggles to gain independence for his country. Guess against whom?

Does anyone else have any to add?

And everyone claims that Americans are the most hated people on earth. Shyah-right.

Well....then again, there are the French....

 

[OUTSIDER]

Historically the English are an ethnic group. Modern England is a multicultural nationality, but it's still a distinct ethnicity too. The name "England" is a derivation of "Angle land", the Angles being one of the primary tribes from which the English people arose (the other primary one being the Saxons, hence "Anglo-Saxon").

We live in an age of multi-culturalism and its in vogue to make movies from minority perspectives. The English have been one of the most successful peoples in the history of the world and have long been celebrated by the popular culture, so it would seem it's time for the to get their comeuppance. In just the last few years the following movies had painted the English as the bad guys:

*Rob Roy: Scottish man of integrity framed by an an evil foppish bastard English nobleman fights to clear his name.
*Braveheart: Freedom-loving Scot martyred for leading his people against the English oppressors.
*The Patriot: American colonist decides to fight for freedom against the English oppressors.
*In the Name of the Father: Irishman in England is wrongly imprisoned for an act of IRA terrorism. When evidence of his innocence starts turning up, the English suppress it.
*Michael Collins: Irishman struggles to gain independence for his country. Guess against whom?

Does anyone else have any to add?

I don't recall the name just now but there was a film a while ago with Brad Pitt in where he played an IRA man who get's taken in to Harrison Ford's home, that one was not well liked here but then again it was before Hollywood knew what terrorism was really like.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Shakespeare did Richard III? I never knew that. I ignore the bard studiously and with a non-chalant vengeance.

I prefer to get my tripe from romance novelists who use badly mauled, false Shakespearean writing styles.

The bard just cannot possibly match the grace and finesse of the average Metallica lyric.

 

[April]

The Devil's Own

Good movie, and I don't like Pitt, usually.

 

[Marxist]

Shakespeare did Richard III? I never knew that. I ignore the bard studiously and with a non-chalant vengeance.

I prefer to get my tripe from romance novelists who use badly mauled, false Shakespearean writing styles.

The bard just cannot possibly match the grace and finesse of the average Metallica lyric.

That's Ok, just as long as you get your history and politics from somewhere.

 

[Siren]

Hey, Wayne could never have pulled off

 

[Cheyenne]

Which do you remember better, Shakespeare's Richard III or the one in the history books?

Which do you remember better, the John Wayne movies or the info from your the history books?

 

[Marxist]

Which do you remember better, the John Wayne movies or the info from your the history books?

Students of a subject aren't immune to the false truths of TV and movies but generally books and documentaries win out over "fictionalized depictions".

But for the general public that's just not true and you know it. How we portray people on the screen is important if we want understanding of important figures and issues.

The masses are called the masses for a reason. They have energy and inertia directed at the lowest common denominator.

 

[Cheyenne]

Please. You expect us to believe that you want only historically accurate movies? There is a difference between fiction and non-fiction. If a movie is fiction, I don't assume historical accuracy that isn't meant to be there. It isn't the entertainment industry's responsibility to "teach" the masses.