Is it possible....

MissTaken

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to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.
 
Only when the paticipants really want to discuss it and remained detached. Most of the time they want to get emotional and offended. :rolleyes:

It took some time for me to grow to the point and realize you can argue without letting it get personal. Sadly, not everyone has reached that point.
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.

It should be with rational adults.

Unfortunately not everyone acts like an adult and certainly there are those who are anything but rational.:rose:
 
unfortunately, even if you disclaimer it, around here it will happen

but that is the nature of a discussion board...take it or leave it

so what is it? spit it out already!
 
A good many people are incapable of this MissT.


Too often insults take over and the point is missed all together.
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.

It is theoretically possible.
As with so many things theoretical, it practically never happens.
 
I suppose that depends on how large a group you want to share yourself with? Friends should always accept you as you are. In a forum like this, I think it would be almost impossible not to "offend" someone. Unfortunately, far too many people are intolerant of any views/beliefs other than their own. If more of us could accept "shades of grey" instead of insisting on our own version of "right" and "wrong", this world might be a better place.....
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
You're sounding like Lavender, and this is having an adverse effect on my stomach.

Take some Pepto Bismol or eat some mints.

And get over it!

:D
 
Killswitch said:
Go ahead....I promise I will stay out of the thread until page 4......:)

Yes it is possible... but some people have an agenda and some people don't.
 
Killswitch said:
Go ahead....I promise I will stay out of the thread until page 4......:)

I doubt I will see this reach page 4.

But then, I have been wrong before.
 
A Desert Rose said:
Yes it is possible... but some people have an agenda and some people don't.

Bingo!

And I think that tolerance is another quality that is lacking at times.

I have values that are firm. I have a belief system that helps to decipher right from wrong.

Now, I cannot impress those values on you or anyone else. I can only share them with you, perhaps explain why I feel that way and live my life as I see fit.

I have no agenda with this thread, but would be lying if I said it wasn't started from recent posts at lit.
 
MissTaken said:
Bingo!

And I think that tolerance is another quality that is lacking at times.

I have values that are firm. I have a belief system that helps to decipher right from wrong.

Now, I cannot impress those values on you or anyone else. I can only share them with you, perhaps explain why I feel that way and live my life as I see fit.

I have no agenda with this thread, but would be lying if I said it wasn't started from recent posts at lit.

I agree with your post, completely. I have my own set of morals, too and I have no problem sharing them with anyone. But in the final analysis, my ethics make no difference to anyone here.

I don't see your thread as supporting an agenda or you as posting with one. I asked a sincere question on the thread you are referring to, others asked similar questions, and were never answered or acknowledged. It makes me wonder why.
 
I think it helps if you believe everyone has something to bring to a discussion. Listening to someone who differs from your opinions is sometimes hard. I try to remember to set aside my predjudices but am not always very sucessful at it. I have not been here long but already I am learning that some folks here just want to scream and insult others without bothering to question how that person came to that decision. Still, others here take the time to answer and ask questions and are even willing to listen to the answers they get. Thats what keeps me comming here. The opportunity to learn.
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.


Taking this at face value, it really depends on your target group.

If said group is known to you, open minded, and share in atleast a few of your values and ideas, then this is not a problem. It often times can be a learning experience, and open your eyes to new ways of looking at things.

If said group is a random selection of people, from all walks of life, with many different standards in values and ideas, then no. It isn't possible because of the differences in values and tolerance levels. There is no control over the discussion, and truly the only people that will be offended or feel alienated are those that are small and closed minded. Granted, there are thoughts and ideas that most people, regardless of their walk of life, would find offensive on the humane factor alone. Any one who is willing to stand by their convictions and discuss them in a calm, rational manner is worth getting to know, in my opinion. The rest, not worthy of my time. Having a heated debate about convictions is silly, as we all have different standards by which we live. When such turns into name calling and attacking others, then those perpetuating it are at a loss to defend their own points of view so they turn to attack mode. Again, this is just my observation and opinion. Is that disclaimered enough?
 
I had a conversation the other day...she's Repub, I'm Dem; she's Baptist, I'm...not. We talked about it, but we didn't have a problem with it. The problems, i think, is when you become so inflexible that you cannot accept that what is right for you may not be right for others.
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.

It's possible, just not here.

See my siggie.


Love the av.:)
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.


i think sometimes its not ... and we at lit have to accept that ... i mean look at frimost and killswitch they are not exactly horrible people and they do mean to have a fair discussion but they offend me sometimes when talking about homosexuality

so im trying to talk to them perhaps about other subjects but not about the subjects where i know they will offend me
 
MissTaken said:
to have a discussion about one's values and personal beliefs without offending others or alienating one's self from others?


I really wonder.

Some personal beliefs and values are always going to offend someone. It's how they deal with their feelings that is the complicated part.

If a friend says something to me (or in front of me) that I find offensive, I am pretty straight forward about telling them my feelings. I know I can't change their deep down beliefs, but I do let them know my opinion of things that bother me.

There is something that I don't understand on this board, though. If I open a thread and it's not a subject that I particularly am interested in, I close it and go off to read something else. There seem to be quite a few people here who go around looking for anything (or anyone) to complain, bitch or argue with. Also, people who start threads just for the sole purpose of offending or upsetting others, so they have someone to argue with.

I know I'm still pretty new to Lit, but I've been around other online communities for long enough to know that different people are here for so many different reasons. If I don't like it, I don't read it and then it can't upset me. Simple as that.


resisting my obsessive need to proofread before posting because I am late and running out the door.
 
Re: Re: Is it possible....

JadeEyes said:
Some personal beliefs and values are always going to offend someone. It's how they deal with their feelings that is the complicated part.

If a friend says something to me (or in front of me) that I find offensive, I am pretty straight forward about telling them my feelings. I know I can't change their deep down beliefs, but I do let them know my opinion of things that bother me.

There is something that I don't understand on this board, though. If I open a thread and it's not a subject that I particularly am interested in, I close it and go off to read something else. There seem to be quite a few people here who go around looking for anything (or anyone) to complain, bitch or argue with. Also, people who start threads just for the sole purpose of offending or upsetting others, so they have someone to argue with.

I know I'm still pretty new to Lit, but I've been around other online communities for long enough to know that different people are here for so many different reasons. If I don't like it, I don't read it and then it can't upset me. Simple as that.


resisting my obsessive need to proofread before posting because I am late and running out the door.

I agree with every word of this.
I've been on many, many boards, and I've never seen a board like this, with regard to the way certain people seek out trouble, and can't just move along.
Whatever.
 
Why not...

Who gives a rat's ass for those who seek to tear down, rather than discuss. Limp-dick neofascists and whiners of either gender... not me! :rolleyes:

Some very valid, and supportive points have been made here already upon your query. Kudos, Ladies! ;)

I submit that those on Lit. with whom we discuss/argue intelligently, are those with whom we would be willing to spend RL time. :)

Good thread, Sis' :kiss:
 
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