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I hope all Republicans get their drugs from China.

Since Republicans feel America should fund the world's largest and most brutal dictatorship and world's largest misogynist culture through commerce, and that America should sacrifice safety for cheapness


why not test Chinese made shit on Republicans first before anyone else gets it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/2...8&printer=1;_ylt=AlhNE5Fl2T7RZJWrkNaxG15BXYh4

Security concerns raised as China fills U.S. medicine chest

By Tim Johnson, McClatchy NewspapersThu Dec 6, 6:00 AM ET

BEIJING — The medicine cabinet in the average U.S. home is filling with drugs made in China , and some experts say that could be a prescription for trouble.

China's booming pharmaceutical industry has doubled exports to the United States in the past five years, undercutting competitors and making American consumers reliant on the safety of Chinese factories and captive to any disruptions in Sino-U.S. commerce.

It might seem like merely a trade issue. But industry experts in Europe and the United States say national-security concerns are edging into the debate.

Consider this scenario:

If a major anthrax attack were to occur in the United States — larger than the one in 2001, when five people died— pharmaceutical companies that make the two antibiotics most suitable for treatment, Cipro and doxycycline, would have no choice but to rely on China or India for key ingredients once American stockpiles were exhausted. Those ingredients no longer are made in the West.

A Portuguese company that ramped up doxycycline production in 2001 at Washington's request said China now controlled the flow of its crucial drug component.

"If we were asked to do this again, we would be dependent on China providing us with key starting materials that are unavailable in the rest of the world," said Guy Villax, the chief executive of Hovione, a Lisbon -based fine chemicals company.

The spectacular growth of China's pharmaceutical industry coincides with some equally huge problems. A kickback scandal ensnared China's State Food and Drug Administration and its chief in charges that they gave approval for bogus drugs, including a counterfeit antibiotic that left 13 people dead. Wary of rising public anger, the state issued a Draconian sanction: It executed the agency chief in July.

Cases of tainted toothpaste, toys and pet food that have made global consumers wary of the "Made in China " label added urgency to a high-profile drug agency purge.

Even so, China's $65 billion pharmaceutical industry is galloping at an annual growth rate of 24 percent in the first eight months of this year. Competitors say China's drug companies not only have low-cost advantages but also get a nearly free pass from U.S. drug regulators, who hold the screws to American companies— raising their costs significantly— but rarely inspect in China .

China says it's a reliable source of safe medicine for its own citizens and export markets. At a news conference this week, the deputy drug agency chief, Wu Zhen , called on countries to work together to ensure a safe global supply chain of medicines.

"To solve the drug safety problems, we need international cooperation," Wu said. "We hope to have . . . more cooperation, and less finger-pointing."

China dominates more than just antibiotics. U.S. regulators license 714 plants in China to produce ingredients for over-the-counter, generic and prescription drugs for Americans. China has snagged a major share of the global sales of many vitamins, antibiotics, enzymes and painkillers. It makes a third of the world's acetaminophen, an over-the-counter pain medication. Acetaminophen is sold under many brand names, the best known of which is Tylenol, though Tylenol itself isn't made in China .

This brings up another possible scenario:

"Just suppose you are taking some cholesterol drug, and its intermediates or active ingredients are made in China . Then there's some conflict with Taiwan . Will your drug still be available?" asked Joe Acker , the president of the Synthetic Organic Chemical Manufacturers' Association , a trade group in Washington . "The whole drug supply could be in jeopardy in these kinds of situations."

Acker noted that he thinks that the United States could rebound from disruptions in the increasingly globalized supply chain for drug components, in which materials are bought from a number of low-cost countries.

"I'm not a Chicken Little type of person," Acker said. "However, if there were to be a major problem, and we could not source material from China , we would have to gear up production very quickly."

The anthrax scare jolted the United States just a week after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 . Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to news organizations in Florida and New York and to the offices of two U.S. senators. Authorities don't know the source of the letters, and no arrests have been made.

Because of the attacks, the Health and Human Services Department increased stockpiles of antibiotics and vaccines against anthrax.

"We have enough antibiotics . . . to treat 40 million Americans," Bill Hall , a spokesman for the department, said in an e-mail, adding that the government also has 28.75 million doses of anthrax vaccine.

Bayer, the German health-care giant, held patent protection until 2004 over the antibiotic known as ciprofloxacin, which it marketed as Cipro. That antibiotic now is mass-produced by generic firms, which get a key ingredient, dichloro fluorobenzene, from one of four Chinese companies or two Indian firms.

The Chinese and Indian companies are all but exempt from oversight by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration .

"Only 13 inspections were conducted in China in 2007," Rep. John Dingell , a Michigan Democrat who chairs the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, said at a hearing Nov. 1 . "At this rate, it would take the FDA 55 years just to clear this backlog."

By giving China a virtual pass on FDA inspections, Acker said, Chinese firms get a cost savings of about 25 percent above American companies, which face unannounced on-site inspections at any time.

Since European pharmaceutical companies also face tougher standards, they too have stopped producing some basic drug ingredients, ceding production to Chinese and Indian companies that face less scrutiny and have lower costs.

On both sides of the Atlantic, manufacturers say they fret over the national-security implications of the massive off-shoring of production to Asia .

"If there is a peak in demand triggered by a pandemic or a terrorist event, there will be little domestic production capacity to meet public health needs," said an August 2006 white paper by the U.S. chemicals trade group in conjunction with the European Fine Chemicals Group , its counterpart.

Chinese chemical companies that sell ingredients used by foreign pharmaceutical firms also shield themselves from the news media.

Sun Dongliang, the deputy chief of the chemical industry chamber under the powerful China Council for the Promotion of International Trade , refused a request for an interview.

"He thinks that your interview has nothing to do with the chemical industry. It's about pharmaceutical things," said an assistant who gave only her surname as Guo.

All four Chinese companies that manufacture the key ingredient for ciprofloxacin declined requests for interviews.

China offered foreign journalists a tour of two model pharmaceutical plants in Hangzhou on Nov. 23 . The plants were spotless. Workers in face masks toiled in jumpsuits on assembly lines. Polished machinery gleamed. One factory made Chinese medicines to treat prostate ailments. The other made herbal remedies.

Outsiders say Chinese drug plants run the gamut from First to Third World.

"You will see some companies where you can eat off the floor. They are state of the art," said Acker, the U.S. trade group chief. "I hear other stories of places where people are making chemicals while wearing flip-flops."

Despite multiple requests over a two-week period, McClatchy was unable to gain access to any drug ingredient-manufacturing facilities other than the model firms presented by the Chinese government.

Although Chinese authorities warn against foreign finger-pointing, the government's own reaction to the scandal over bogus and substandard drugs earlier this year was extremely harsh.

After drug chief Zheng Xiaoyu's execution, the state began a vast housecleaning. This week, it said it had shut down 300 drug and medical-device makers, convicted 279 people of irregularities and prompted drug companies to withdraw 7,300 applications for drug approval, indicating more rigor in the approval process.

Such actions left doubt whether consumers ought to be reassured by the factories shut down or alarmed at the state of the industry. Wu, the deputy drug chief, said he hoped to restore faith in Chinese drugs after the kickback scandal.

"The corruption case . . . has tarnished our image," he said. "One of the targets of this campaign is to clean up the legacy caused by this corruption case."

Still unclear is whether increased self-policing is sufficient given the magnitude of China's production and its rising share of global medicine chests.

Villax, the Portuguese executive who's a board member of the European Fine Chemicals Group , said some Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturers were cutting corners and that unless enforcement tightened "people will die."

"It's not low-cost labor that concerns us," Villax said. "What we're saying is there are a lot of people not playing by the rules, and not getting caught."

A sign of the troubles that can occur in the pharmaceutical industry came at a plant that was manufacturing a key ingredient used in ciprofloxacin.

A deafening blast ripped through the Fuyuan Chemical Co. plant in Jiangsu province on July 28, 2006 . Once the smoke cleared, 22 people lay dead and another 29 were injured. China's State Administration of Work Safety later issued a report charging the plant with ignoring safety rules, adopting low construction standards and operating without permits.

( McClatchy special correspondent Fan Di contributed to this article.)
 
I don't need to... They'll kill themselves eventually :)

I didn't read any of that, btw.
 
Image said:
I don't need to... They'll kill themselves eventually :)

I didn't read any of that, btw.
You know, it could have something to do with all those midwestern Gunfaces being medicated with Chinese factory made medicine.
 
I'm for it!!!

Shopping for Christmas gifts for the wee ones in my family has been terrible this year. Lead here and there and everywhere.

(I didn't read past your written word either.....*shrugs*
 
HeavyStick said:
Maybe assisted suicide for some of them, but not flat out murder.

Yes, I'm thinking we should save the flat out murder for the common child of the common man.....
 
HeavyStick said:
Maybe assisted suicide for some of them, but not flat out murder.
Murder? Who said anything about murder? Just tell a Republican that Chinese made medicine is cheaper and they'll drink the arsenic willingly. :)
 
I absolutely related to your frustration, but I think it's important to not paint with such a broad brush. While some of these neocon dogs are definitely rabid and out of control, there are some conservatives who I think are intellectually honest and morally sound. With those people I can agree to disagree.
 
I don't know Loving in certain ways your making a mountain out of a molehill. China is alot of things, stupid not being one of them. If they say they are making it safe to buy their drugs I will beleive them, especially right now, everybody is to afraid of being executed to really fuck with the drugs. Not to say all of the plants are working as intended, they just went through and did the executing, takes a year or two to get around to every factory and get it to code or closed.

Not to say the drugs are especially dangerous, even a so called third world factory can make drugs to code, it's more a matter of fear saying they are totally unsafe. They do make mistakes, but then again a high end totally clean factory makes mistakes to, just not as easily.

As for republicans doing this to the country, I gotta say nope wasn't them. What is actually to blame is the government, or rather the departments within said government making things made in the US meet these standards, but things made in other countries have little to no standards. Making it cheaper to go too China for the base drugs which are then brought to the US to make the pills.

What is really needed is for every country to sit down together, come up with a world drug evaluation and testing group who then goes and monitors every factory. Get everybody to follow the same standards and well it stops being cheaper to go to a dirty little factory in the middle of nowhere because there isn't one anymore. ;)
 
emap said:
I don't know Loving in certain ways your making a mountain out of a molehill. China is alot of things, stupid not being one of them. If they say they are making it safe to buy their drugs I will beleive them, especially right now, everybody is to afraid of being executed to really fuck with the drugs. Not to say all of the plants are working as intended, they just went through and did the executing, takes a year or two to get around to every factory and get it to code or closed.
People in China aren't too scared to make tons of toys with lead in it. Take a look at the recent news stories about reports finding quite a few brands of toys out there with lead in it - a dozen more above and beyond those in the recent scandals. All made in China.

They must be executing people by the truckload. And it ain't working.

Not to say the drugs are especially dangerous, even a so called third world factory can make drugs to code, it's more a matter of fear saying they are totally unsafe. They do make mistakes, but then again a high end totally clean factory makes mistakes to, just not as easily.
Exactly. Not as easily.

I believe in Darwinism. Let those with diminished survival instincts buy medicine made in China. I want labels, so I can choose Made in the USA for me, my wife and two kids. I want that power of informed choice.

As for republicans doing this to the country, I gotta say nope wasn't them. What is actually to blame is the government, or rather the departments within said government making things made in the US meet these standards, but things made in other countries have little to no standards. Making it cheaper to go too China for the base drugs which are then brought to the US to make the pills.
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Darn that evil Government for having adequate safety standards. If only we would do away with consumer protection laws, boy, we'd be so competitive.

What is really needed is for every country to sit down together, come up with a world drug evaluation and testing group who then goes and monitors every factory. Get everybody to follow the same standards and well it stops being cheaper to go to a dirty little factory in the middle of nowhere because there isn't one anymore. ;)
I say we blockade China and these other unethical countries. We don't need their crap. We can make it here, or in Western democracies where high product safety standards are better enforced by design. In the West, the fear of a huge product liability lawsuit is as big a deterrent as the fear of execution in China. That alone should tell you something.
 
Actually, they are not afraid of those lawsuits coming, they are afraid of losing their money. They are afraid they will no longer be able to be driven around in a big old limo with champagne and really expensive whiskey. They are afraid of losing the $1000 a day health membership, they are afraid of losing their golf club membership that costs 1 million dollars.

In China, they are afraid of being shot.

Which one sounds smarter? :rolleyes:
 
emap said:
Actually, they are not afraid of those lawsuits coming, they are afraid of losing their money. They are afraid they will no longer be able to be driven around in a big old limo with champagne and really expensive whiskey. They are afraid of losing the $1000 a day health membership, they are afraid of losing their golf club membership that costs 1 million dollars.

In China, they are afraid of being shot.

Which one sounds smarter? :rolleyes:
China is barbaric.

We achieve better results with less harsh punishments. I'd say the Western system is smarter.
 
No it's not acceptable to wish death on Republicans. I don't want to die :D
 
Is it acceptable to wish death on Republicans?

Only if you're name isn't LT and you didn't vote the idiots into office the first fucking time. Thanks for nothing wanker.
 
Just so loving doesn't feel let down and decide to make three more threads about this I shall keep it going. ;)

Loving your silly, China isn't barbaric, they have their prioties in the right place. Here you knowingly decide to cut corners and end up killing people you face a big old fine and a slap on the wrist prison term, if it is in this country or the other country has a big enough military or place in NATO. In China you cut corners and kill people anywhere in the world, you are dragged out into the street and shot.

Before anyone says cruel and unusual, how is it any different from what they knowingly decided to do too the people who died because this person decided to make more money? Ask an emergency room attendant, dying because you took something bad, either knowingly or not is a really bad way to go, a gun to the back of the head doesn't hurt past a half second.

The people who do that here, they lose their job, they go broke and live off of the taxpayers. If a family member of mine died taking a bad medication I would really rather string the person responsible up, money doesn't bring the victim back. :rolleyes:
 
Is it acceptable to wish death on Republicans?.... (blah blah blaqh - too long to consciously read - blah)...

no.
it's a juvenile attempt at validating attention...

zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

grow a set, pal!

there're
far better arguments to
new century
libdom.

the dems need a strong/vibrant opposition
almost as much as the gop'ers do...



kill'em?

fucking idiot
 
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