Is "Islamic Law" really any less askew than any Christiam moral doctrine?????

[Sparky Kronkite]

Is "Islamic Law" really any less askew than any Christiam moral doctrine?????

Just because it's antiquated? 1400 year old you know.

Isn't Christian doctrine actiquated too?

Just because Islamic ideology clashes fairly heavily with Christian doctrine - don't both attempt to acheive the same relative ideological goals?

I mean - aren't all religions - steeped in origins and values of long ago - relatively the same?

Stupid?

 

[Pyper]

Yes.

 

[crystalhunting]

Salam Sparky



Yes is your answer.



Allah Hafiz




CH

 

[Harpoon]

It is unanimous so far

Yes

To each his own askew ancient doctrine...

Who is going to tally the results at the end of the thread?

 

[rambling man]

Do the two really clash all that much, when thinking of both religions' fundamentalist believers?

Both believe in a society controlled by law based upon religious inspired morality.

Both revere Jesus Christ, one calls him a prophet, one calls him the son of God

Both believe in monotheism. They worship the same God and believe that He has done pretty much the same things.

Both are outgrowths of Jewish religious tradition

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are much more similar to each other than any one of them are to any other world religion

Islam's problem with Christianity is that they feel it has degenerated from its spiritual purity because of centuries of dedication to accumulating wealth. They fear our "moral degeneracy" and that it might corrupt their youths into less religious mind sets. Christians have a problem with hijackers and bombs going off in airports.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

RamBo said,

"Islam's problem with Christianity is that they feel it has degenerated from its spiritual purity because of centuries of dedication to accumulating wealth. They fear our "moral degeneracy" and that it might corrupt their youths into less religious mind sets. Christians have a problem with hijackers and bombs going off in airports"

There's the clash right there - I mean - we are talking today - currently.

I read today where Iranian Security Forces were publically whipping some dudes for "drinking and flirting with women" - if that ain't a clash - currently - I don't know what is.

 

[YoungGun69]

In it's pure form no religeon is harm full. The bible teaches turn the other cheek if some one strikes you.

The problem is the way we humans interpret the bible. Nowhere I could find does it say to kill or maim. It says dont. People have twisted it to justify their actions. One day they gonna be suprised when God " Uhh uh you aint comming in my house. Take the express to Hell for all the harm you did."

 

[rambling man]

Right, there is nothing wrong with pure religion. It's like pure love or pure friendship, very fine in their unblemished state.

Add human jealousy, selfishness, greed, etc. to the mix and it kills any good idea or plan...

 

[Pyper]

I disagree that there is nothing wrong with "pure" religion. What is "pure" religion anyway? What's written in the Bible? There are countless directives in the Bible (supposedly coming straight from God) to maim and kill. There are even orders to maim and kill women and small children.

Geez, doesn't anybody read the Good Book anymore?

 

[Never]

YoungGun:
"In it's pure form no religeon is harm full. The bible teaches turn the other cheek if some one strikes you."
The Bible also teaches us that it's alright to kill people who don't have the same religion as you. So does the Koran. In its pure form a religion is just as harmful or helpful as the people who created it - many of whom disagreed with one another.

"Nowhere I could find does it say to kill or maim. "
I got to wonder what bible you're reading.
"But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
Ex. 21: 23-25

 

[Pyper]

Ooh, ooh, can I do some scary Bible quotes too, Never?

 

[rambling man]

The New Testament is the most pacifist religious document there is. Christ never told anyone to maim or kill anybody. He basically said let them kill you and you will be much better off.

 

[YoungGun69]

I am no bible expert far from it, this is as far as My knowledge goes.

Before Christ the was what we call the old testament. Odl Directives .Full Of vengfull acts, and eye for an eye, Dont eat pork etc....

Once Christ came things changed adn we have the New Testament. New directives. New Instructions in life, Turn the other Cheek, eat any creature on earth....

I am not an expert on this, but the Church I go to bases its teachings on the new testament. That is where we get out guidelines. The old testament is there are the foundation but not used as much anymore.

Like I said I am not the expert, someone more qualified than me can explain this better.....

 

[Pyper]

The New Testament is rather scary too. Jesus was not a nice guy, even my devout Catholic mother agrees with this. Observe what Jesus says:

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6

Jesus is a very angry guy.

 

[miles]

YoungGun69

Eating pork is only an act of vengance if you are pork.

Are you one of them porcine sympathizers?

 

[YoungGun69]

Re: YoungGun69

Eating pork is only an act of vengance if you are pork.

Are you one of them porcine sympathizers?

huh?

 

[Pyper]

And before I get any cries of "out of context", let's talk about the "turn the other cheek" business.

Biblical scholars believe that Jesus' order to "turn the other cheek" is actually a move to spite the slapper. If someone slaps your right cheek with the right hand (as stated in the Bible), they are giving you a backhanded slap, a sign of disdain and disrespect. Jesus says turn the other cheek. In other words, make the person slapping you slap you with an open palm. This brings you up to their level, forces them to respect you as a human being.

It has been later misinterpreted as pacifism.

 

[rambling man]

interesting....getting slapped again, no matter what the pretense, is still not on my "to do if I get bitchslapped list." I believe in Christianity, I'm just not a good one.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

I believe that......

If you are raised properly, taught properly and you are a normal, healthy human individual......

That there is absolutely no need for religion - or law of any kind -for that matter.

The problem is - everyone is not like me. Not as lucky as I have been. Not as lucky to have the parents I've had.

Or.....

They simply aren't normal, healthy individuals.