Is Cramer stupid for telling people to bail out of the stock market?

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IMO, it depends.

It may cost him his career. And he has plenty of detractors. And frankly, buying high or selling low is 100% bad survival instinct.

But if your choice is lose big now or lose bigger later, what else can you do?

I sold high already. I may go back into mutuals in 6 months. We're not anywhere near the floor. You can quote me on that and spank me silly if this turns out to be the floor.

Just a warning, though... the stock market was up to 14,200+ this year. That means the DJIA has lost 1/3 of its value this year. One third, folks. Think on that.

http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/10/cramer-panic-now-and-sell-everything

Cramer: PANIC NOW AND SELL EVERYTHING!!!

Henry Blodget | Oct 6, 08 11:48 AM

Jim Cramer has apparently revisited his late-July "market bottom" call. On the Today Show this morning, the superguru told investors to sell everything (video below). One of our hedge-fund friends describes this as the "Munchian scream moment."

“I thought about this all weekend,” Cramer told Curry. “I do not want to say these things on TV...Whatever money you may need for the next five years, please take it out of the stock market right now, this week. I do not believe that you should risk those assets in the stock market right now"...

“I don’t care where stocks have been, I care where they’re going, and I don’t want people to get hurt in the market,” Cramer told Curry. “I’m worried about unemployment, I’m worried about purchases that you may need. I can’t have you at risk in the stock market.”

Still, those with the assets — and the stomach — to ride out the stock market’s ups and down over a five-year period might be best served by holding their nose and holding onto their stocks.

“I think what you have to do, if you can withstand it, is just ride it out,” Cramer said.

Why does Cramer think you should get out now? Because the market could decline 20% from here. That's possibly the worst justification for selling medium-term holdings we've ever heard. (The market could ALWAYS decline 20% from here.)

For what it's worth, we agree that the market will likely go lower over the next year. We also agree that people should not have any money in the stock market that they need in the next five years. But the point is that "those assets" never should have been in the market in the first place. The stock market is always unpredictable and dangerous over such timeframes, and people should never count on it to fund near-term expenditures.

We also couldn't disagree more with Cramer's recommended strategy of suddenly selling everything now, with the market down 30%+ from the peak. This is market-timing at its worst. Adjusting your long-term investment strategy because you've realized that you can't stomach risk is one thing. Panicking and selling because the global economy and markets are temporarily collapsing is another. After more than a decade of being overvalued, stocks are finally approaching fair value, and, time and again, emotional selling based on market conditions has been shown to be a terrible investment strategy.

For those with horizons of a decade or more, moreover, the current crash is actually good news. If you're saving for retirement, you will do best if stocks crater like this and then stay down for a decade. The dividend-reinvestment will make you continually buy more shares at lower prices, and when the market does eventually recover, your gains will be compounded.

If Cramer really doesn't "want people to get hurt," he should stop telling them to try to pick stocks and time the market and just gradually invest in a globally diversified portfolio of low-cost index funds. That won't eliminate risk (because nothing will). But it's by far the smartest investment strategy for the vast majority of people who watch his show and the Today Show.
 
Not only bail out, but he said to take out enough money to last you five (5) years. Not thats scary stuff....
 
I've been a Cramer fan for years and he has never steered me wrong. If he indeed said this, (I hadn't seen The Today Show) I'm skeptical of his words being twisted by the media in the report you quoted...

Last I heard he was still saying not to panic, hold on...

I'm going with the five year plan.
 
I think Cramer's advice is responsible.

He knows that much of the rise of the Dow over the past five years has been bubble-related and fuelled by noobs with e*trade accounts...those are the people he's telling to get out and get into something more conservative.

Markets swell and shrink...this time, the swelling was in part assisted by noobs thinking they were day traders because they had a web-based trading account.

The sun will shine again!
 
I've been a Cramer fan for years and he has never steered me wrong. If he indeed said this, (I hadn't seen The Today Show) I'm skeptical of his words being twisted by the media in the report you quoted...

Last I heard he was still saying not to panic, hold on...

I'm going with the five year plan.
5 years seems to be the number floating around...probably right
 
I've been a Cramer fan for years and he has never steered me wrong. If he indeed said this, (I hadn't seen The Today Show) I'm skeptical of his words being twisted by the media in the report you quoted...

Last I heard he was still saying not to panic, hold on...

I'm going with the five year plan.
I've been a cautious Jim Cramer fan. I tune in now and then and fact check his comments. The guy has a good record, both advice-wise and ethics wise. He's a good guy. Lancecastor also has a valid analysis of what he said. Hell I even posted once about the dangers of those day traders and the back and forth action they inflict upon the market; I never had any idea they would have this much sway, though, that if they bailed out now, we'd be in big trouble. If their influence is too strong, it's nice to see the market being forced to move on without them - if one's definition of 'nice' is market stability.
 
I've been a Cramer fan for years and he has never steered me wrong. If he indeed said this, (I hadn't seen The Today Show) I'm skeptical of his words being twisted by the media in the report you quoted...

Last I heard he was still saying not to panic, hold on...

I'm going with the five year plan.

He also advised Bear Stearns stock holders not to sell right before the company tanked.

I'm not saying that his advice is wrong this time, just to take it with a grain of salt.
 
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