is being in the military this bad?

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I felt like crying when I read this. My heart goes out to all the victims and the families, but I had no idea about our men and women in the service. Does anyone know anybody or know if this for real??

by Rush Limbaugh, March 11, 2002

I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims ofnthe
September 11th casualty, and those who die serving the country in uniform,
are profound. No one is really talking about it either because you just don't
criticize anything having to do with September 11th. Well, I just can't let
the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the
entitlement mentality of this country.

If you lost a family member in the September 11th attack, you're going to
get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000,
all the way up to $4.7 million. If you are a surviving family member of an
American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct
death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial
costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you
remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18.
When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185
million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. We also
learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City
bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the
September 11th families are getting. In addition to that, some of the
families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as
well. You see where this is going, don't you?

Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in
this country. It's just really sad.

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil
and steady dedication of a lifetime." --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Every time when a pay raise comes up for the military they usually receive
next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle
East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low rent
housing. However our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and
many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to
receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month and most are now equal
to be millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social Security on
retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.

If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you
may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you
in harms way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I would like to see our
elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting
out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now
fighting.
 
I didn't see Rush Limbaugh around when I was in the Army. I did my service, and Uncle Sam took good care of me, I don't complain.
 
army

I did 25 years in the British Army, lost a few good friends to the IRA. The widows get 4 times salary and 50% pension for life...UNLESS they remarry, then it's nothing thereafter...HOWEVER...the IRA continue(d) to sue the British Government for millions....***** is not meant to be fair..and like ALL soldiers, regardless of race or country...we join to serve our repective countries and we know the risks we take too...that's being a Soldier.
 
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Ukin said:
I did 25 years in the British Army, lost a few good friends to the IRA. The widows get 4 times salary and 50% pension for life...UNLESS they remarry, then it's nothing thereafter...HOWEVER...the IRA continue(d) to sue the British Government for millions....***** is not meant to be fair..and like ALL soldiers, regardless of race or country...we join to serve our repective countries and we know the risks we take too...that's being a Soldier.

Well said!

Besides, those people who died on September 11th didn't volunteer to put themselves in harms way, as one does when joining the military.
 
All I can say is that my son is in the Army and he could lose his life, the one that I gave him. 9/11 really pissed him off, he has the balls that alot of guys don't have, and don't even try to blast me here because I'm also willing to let him lay down his life if that is what it takes to keep us FREE! Thanks to all vets dead and alive....YOU ROCK!
 
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Zamdrist said:


Well said!

Besides, those people who died on September 11th didn't volunteer to put themselves in harms way, as one does when joining the military.

How I agree with you there my friend. Without being VERY callous..and believe me I am not, not by a long way...men and women should always insure themselves for unforseen circumstances...soemthing we tried to do in the Military..but it was so heavily loaded (due to the job, naturally) it was far too expensive..something like $1 per $1000 of cover, if I recall, also we had no recourse to sue the Government..it was our JOB..and I was proud to have served the Queen and Country for 25 years.
 
The difference is that people in the military chose to fight. Everyone in the US military is a volunteers and they all know the risks. They know its dangerous and they are trained to defend themselves. I don't think most people don't go into the military for the money.

The civilians that died during the attack did not volunteer to be put in harms way. They were killed by a group of cowards who went after a defenseless target. They died because the government failed to protect them. Thats one of the things the government is suppsosed to do the whole "defend the nation from all foes foreign and domestic."

I don't know if the attacks were preventable. Any operation that involved and that long in development would be very very hard to stop. Ask anyone who has ever done highend security work or a member of the Secret servise and they will tell you that if someone is willing to die to kill their target then they will probably succeed.

Should family members of the military servicemen and women be compensated more in case the worst happens? Yes, probably so how much more I don't know and members of the military should definetly be paid more. Should family members of the terrorist attack victims be compensated less? Maybe but I don't know how you can put a price on someones life anyway.

This is just rush trying to push his agenda again. If he had just left out the part about the whole entitlement bullshit then the article would be fine.
 
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Ukin said:


How I agree with you there my friend. Without being VERY callous..and believe me I am not, not by a long way...men and women should always insure themselves for unforseen circumstances...soemthing we tried to do in the Military..but it was so heavily loaded (due to the job, naturally) it was far too expensive..something like $1 per $1000 of cover, if I recall, also we had no recourse to sue the Government..it was our JOB..and I was proud to have served the Queen and Country for 25 years.

I've always been interested in what the hell is going on with Ireland and Britian. I mean, that whole situation is so damn sad...I have'nt heard any news about that area in a long time. With 9/11 and others things I imagine it's taken a back seat to other world events.

Any hope?
 
Azwed said:

This is just rush trying to push his agenda again. If he had just left out the part about the whole entitlement bullshit then the article would be fine.


WHAT? His own agenda? What agenda is that?

I'm not a big fan of Rush, but he's been characterized by the left with the same accuracy they describe most issues. He's been called everything from a racist to a Nazi on this BB, and I doubt those people spent very much time listening to him.

The article deals in facts and his own commentary. People can tell the difference. Everyone is "biased" and has an agenda. He is not a news reporter, and freely admits he's not objective. He doesn't have to be.
 
Re: Maybe I missed it.....

miles said:
..but who is paying these people?

Red cross partialy, private donations and some government stuff I think.
 
miles said:



WHAT? His own agenda? What agenda is that?

I'm not a big fan of Rush, but he's been characterized by the left with the same accuracy they describe most issues. He's been called everything from a racist to a Nazi on this BB, and I doubt those people spent very much time listening to him.

The article deals in facts and his own commentary. People can tell the difference. Everyone is "biased" and has an agenda. He is not a news reporter, and freely admits he's not objective. He doesn't have to be.

I listen to him fairly frequently because

A. My boss likes to listen to him at the shop.

B. my roommate likes him and worships him second only to Bill O'Rilley.

C. Its good to see what bullshit and occasional good point he spews forth.

I have listned to him very much since he became deaf does he still blast the ADA now?
 
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Zamdrist said:


I've always been interested in what the hell is going on with Ireland and Britian. I mean, that whole situation is so damn sad...I have'nt heard any news about that area in a long time. With 9/11 and others things I imagine it's taken a back seat to other world events.

Any hope?

Zam: Luckily, I do believe that the IRA have realised that they cannot win, they have in fact, given up arms..however, there are still factions about..calling themselves the REAL IRA who still plan to carry on the conflict, the cowardly acts. Sinn Fien were in danger of being ousted..even now, Gerry (IRA) Adams and his sick sidekick martin McGuinness (sp) refused to give alliegience to the Queen.
I hope that at long last, there might just be peace over there..far too many innocent -men, women and children- have died over this.

As for the other comments..I have no idea who RUSH is..but I assume he has no or little respect due to his previous postings?
 
Well said!

Zamdrist- Did you serve in Viet Nam like I did??? Did you serve in Grinada? or Korea or The gulf???

You parade around with the globe on your shoulder like you were Atlas or Herculese....The amount of ransom the victom families are getting is rediculous..... If they cant live with in the means they have ...guess what , Tough SHIT, BUDDY. I lost a close cousin in OK City bombing and no one gave a shit.....no one got money for it, not even his wife!!!

I was spit upon at a Ranger baseball game cause some faggity ass non American wouldn't stand for the National Anthem cause "I was a baby killer" !! Our society is so screwed up in their placing of values. I have friends with agent orange being eaten alive and don't get SHIT!!!!

No offence Zamdrist,but untill you'r there, you can't be objective.

I stood my post at DFW airport for 16 to 18 hours ensuring no weapons were getting in the secure side. I spent 2 hours on the road each way to go home and to work leaving 4 hours to see my family and sleep for three weeks straight, so don't even go there.

CAROSI- Yes it's true. some times it's worse. Visit your local VA Hospital, see for yourself!!!!! Ask a Vet in the street!!! I have been fortunate, I got help! I was determined to live again!!!! I still have night mares, it never leaves you!
 
AS a matter of fact......

I could be called up to go to Afganistan, Isreal, Bosinia and points in between. That would put my wife and daughter in an awkward situation, because my son is serving in the U.S.Army and may go too!! It would be a great loss to both wife and daughter if myself and son were KIA! What would my family recieve for our efforts....not much. Call me a war monger for not quitting but I do enjoy the military. Yes it's a calculated risk and yes I signed on the dotted line, but dosen't my family deserve the same respect and monitory compensation of the HEROS of 911??
 
CAROSI said:
I felt like crying when I read this. My heart goes out to all the victims and the families, but I had no idea about our men and women in the service. Does anyone know anybody or know if this for real??

by Rush Limbaugh, March 11, 2002
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If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harms way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now
fighting.

Rush's numbers are out of date. I retired 1 Dec 1989 as an E-7 with just over 21 years service; My retirement pay is just over $1200/month.

Rush doesn't mention SGLI/VGLI (Serviceman's/Veteran's Group Life Insurance -- The basic death benefit is now $50,000 dollars for about $10/mo. A service member has to explicity decline SGLI/VGLI coverage, so 90% of servicemen are covered.

He also doesn't mention Health Care benefits for survivors or the Survivor's Benefit Plan, which is an optional quai-insurance program servicemembers can opt into.

The article is definitely biased and doesn't include a lot of pertinent info -- like the difference between congressional appropriations and charitable donations as the source of the payments -- but the fact he does give are at least in the right ballpark.

Congress has tried very hard to screw the US military (active and retired) since before I enlisted. How successful they are has always depended on how thretened they feel by world events.

Your support and letters to your congressperson would be greatly appreciated by all of the military, both active and retired.
 
God, Rush is such a fucking gas sometimes. Does he listen to himself? Or at least, did he?

Some of thye actual 9-11 victims were pissed at the government for the money actually. It was as if saying that the loss of there families was worth a monetary value. Still.

People in the military are volunteers who knew the risks when they signed on. The 9-11 victims did not. People in the military are given training and weapons to deal with their attackers. 9-11 victims had no way to fight back. People in the military will not see combat for at least six weeks, and in many cases, never. This gives them time to be prepared and have plans in place should anything happen to them. The 9-11 victims did not have any kind of warning at all. People in the military can die from their own stupidity. All the 9-11 victims did was be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don't agree entirely with the payments, but those are at least some points. Not that military people do not get screwed over such as #1tank said. It does happen and it sucks.
 
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#1tankcomander said:
I could be called up to go to Afganistan, Isreal, Bosinia and points in between. That would put my wife and daughter in an awkward situation, because my son is serving in the U.S.Army and may go too!! It would be a great loss to both wife and daughter if myself and son were KIA! What would my family recieve for our efforts....not much. Call me a war monger for not quitting but I do enjoy the military. Yes it's a calculated risk and yes I signed on the dotted line, but dosen't my family deserve the same respect and monitory compensation of the HEROS of 911??

More than the innocent victims of a monsterous terroist attack?

I'd have to say no. As much as it pains me.

You and your son volunteered, as you stated. It's a fine line I agree. A very fine line.
 
BullSHIT!

US service men can pay something like 8 bucks a month or less and get a $250,000 life insurance policy from the moment they are processed. everyone signs up. this policy stays in effect even after said veteran leaves the armed services. dont say our familes get nothing, because if they dont, it was the fault of the service men themselves.
 
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Weird Harold said:


Rush's numbers are out of date. I retired 1 Dec 1989 as an E-7 with just over 21 years service; My retirement pay is just over $1200/month.

Rush doesn't mention SGLI/VGLI (Serviceman's/Veteran's Group Life Insurance -- The basic death benefit is now $50,000 dollars for about $10/mo. A service member has to explicity decline SGLI/VGLI coverage, so 90% of servicemen are covered.

He also doesn't mention Health Care benefits for survivors or the Survivor's Benefit Plan, which is an optional quai-insurance program servicemembers can opt into.

The article is definitely biased and doesn't include a lot of pertinent info -- like the difference between congressional appropriations and charitable donations as the source of the payments -- but the fact he does give are at least in the right ballpark.

Congress has tried very hard to screw the US military (active and retired) since before I enlisted. How successful they are has always depended on how thretened they feel by world events.

Your support and letters to your congressperson would be greatly appreciated by all of the military, both active and retired.

I thought those sounded kind of low but since I didn't have any facts to back it up I didn't know how to address it.

My dad is about to retire in the next year or so as a Lt. Colonel, I think that is 0-5, and his retirement is supposed to be fairly substantial. Of course there is a big difference between enlisted and officer pay but his stuff still seemed low.

I do agree with him that members of the military, espesialy the lower ranks, get shit for pay and it is disgraceful.
 
Azwed said:
Rush Limbaugh is a radio talkshow host.

He is pretty much the voice of the republican party. Most people either hate him or love him and there is not a lot of in between.


Homepage

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

You consider him the voice of the Republican party. I don't know who else does. Personally, I think he's a very talented guy who happens to be a conservative. He's an entertainer and yes, he does influence some people.

I'm not saying you do it, but a few people here have said his listeners blindly believe everything he says like he's some kind of fuhrer. If that's true, then logic dictates that people who listen to Daschlehart and some of the other noids must also blindly believe everything they says.

I can only take about 30 minutes of him at a stretch.
 
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miles said:


You consider him the voice of the Republican party. I don't know who else does. Personally, I think he's a very talented guy who happens to be a conservative. He's an entertainer and yes, he does influence some people.

I'm not saying you it, but a few people here have said his listeners blindly believe everything he says like he's some kind of fuhrer. If that's true, then logic dictates that people who listen to Daschlehart and some of the other noids must also blindly believe everything they says.

I can only take about 30 minutes of him at a stretch.

Normaly during the summer I listen to the whole show all three or so fucking hours of it. I can't ever remember a time when he had someone who was or claimed to be a libertarian on the show or call in.
 
Azwed said:


Normaly during the summer I listen to the whole show all three or so fucking hours of it. I can't ever remember a time when he had someone who was or claimed to be a libertarian on the show or call in.

Conservatives dislike Libertarians slightly less then they do Liberals. Conservatives, for one thing, preach getting government out of our lives. But they won't hesitate to use the strong arm of government to force-feed their own beliefs when it comes to abortion, drug decrim., and their relentless pursuit to ban porn for adults.

In short, they need to get a life.
 
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