Iraq using Human Shields

[Dantetier]

Well, according to CNN, Iraq is husing Woman and children as Human Shields. And people still think these are people we shouldn't fight?

 

[Guest]

 

[Lancecastor]

Yes.

The USA has sent teenage boys on a preemptive first strike of a sovereign nation to steal its oil and kill its government.

Blame Paul Wolfowitz.

 

[miles]

Yes.

The USA has sent teenage boys on a preemptive first strike of a sovereign nation to steal its oil and kill its government.

Blame Paul Wolfowitz.

More Canuckspew.

 

[p_p_man]

Well, according to CNN, Iraq is husing Woman and children as Human Shields. And people still think these are people we shouldn't fight?

Yes. There's no reason to fight them.

If the US hadn't attacked they wouldn't have used human shields...

So it's America's fault as usual...

ppman

 

[Rooster]

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Yes. There's no reason to fight them.

If the US hadn't attacked they wouldn't have used human shields...

So it's America's fault as usual...

ppman

You need a lesson in the rules of war ...damnit .. I'm tired of you trying to blame us ..... IRAQ is the one in violation

 

[Rooster]

Yes.

The USA has sent teenage boys on a preemptive first strike of a sovereign nation to steal its oil and kill its government.

Blame Paul Wolfowitz.

blaw blaw ... I see you'll never come out from your shell of disillusion

 

[Blindinthedark]

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You need a lesson in the rules of war ...damnit .. I'm tired of you trying to blame us ..... IRAQ is the one in violation

Rule one: War is the last resort. If another option is present you should take it.

Edited to add:
I've seen your sig before
1984 -- Orwell
War is peace.

Orwell was trying to make a point of how stupid war was.

 

[Lasher]

Well, according to CNN, Iraq is husing Woman and children as Human Shields.

You just found this out?

Where the fuck have you been?

 

[Rooster]

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Rule one: War is the last resort. If another option is present you should take it.

Edited to add:
I've seen your sig before
1984 -- Orwell
War is peace.

Orwell was trying to make a point of how stupid war was.

War is the last resort ... I agree ... but after 12 years ... Saddam has left us no choice .. he had his chance to comply ....... he blew it.

To secure peace IS to prepare for war ... your potential enemies must know there are grave consequences when they threaten and or attack the US ..... for most .. this is the deterrant that has stopped countless wars .. a lesson Iraq never learned ... maybe this time it'll sink in ....

 

[Blindinthedark]

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War is the last resort ... I agree ... but after 12 years ... Saddam has left us no choice .. he had his chance to comply ....... he blew it.

To secure peace IS to prepare for war ... your potential enemies must know there are grave consequences when they threaten and or attack the US ..... for most .. this is the deterrant that has stopped countless wars .. a lesson Iraq never learned ... maybe this time it'll sink in ....

This enemy is like none the US has ever faced. These terrorists are motivated by faith. Faith is only strengthened by the resolve of war.

I understand the US need for revenge and retribution but I am sure that it will only buy more suffering for US citizens.

I'm not against the removal of Saddam but true change can never be forced by violence.

 

[Rooster]

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This enemy is like none the US has ever faced. These terrorists are motivated by faith. Faith is only strengthened by the resolve of war.

Their Faith will will not hide them, will not protect them and will not help them ... as President Regean once said "You can run .. but you can't hide"

I understand the US need for revenge and retribution but I am sure that it will only buy more suffering for US citizens.

We will not run scared, we'll stand for what is right and what we believe in .. we'll do what must be done.

I'm not against the removal of Saddam but true change can never be forced by violence.

Brute force is all that Saddam and his criminal regime understands ..... if he and his troops do not surrender ... they'll be slapped down like an unruly dog.

 

[Blindinthedark]

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Their Faith will will not hide them, will not protect them and will not help them ... as President Regean once said "You can run .. but you can't hide"

We will not run scared, we'll stand for what is right and what we believe in .. we'll do what must be done.

Brute force is all that Saddam and his criminal regime understands ..... if he and his troops do not surrender ... they'll be slapped down like an unruly dog.

Unless the US is willing to cause a genocide the likes of which haven't seen since WWII there will be no end.

 

[teddybear4play]

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This enemy is like none the US has ever faced. These terrorists are motivated by faith. Faith is only strengthened by the resolve of war.

Then all those surrendering soldiers are . . . ?

I understand the US need for revenge and retribution but I am sure that it will only buy more suffering for US citizens.

I'm more sure that without acting, the suffering will be greater.

I'm not against the removal of Saddam but true change can never be forced by violence.

Tell that to Germany and Japan.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

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War is the last resort ... I agree ... but after 12 years ... Saddam has left us no choice

Bollocks! You had plenty of alternative choices. The Franco/German plan for one. Bush just chose not to follow it...

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

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I'm not against the removal of Saddam but true change can never be forced by violence.

Hmm. Checked out how the Third Reich is faring lately?

Maybe the Tojo Govt. in Japan?

The Hapsburgs still in control of Austria?

How about the Emperor Napoleon?

Maybe we should discuss the current colonial status of the American Colonies.

History proves you wrong. Decisive violence results in decisive change. Half measures do not.

 

[p_p_man]

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These terrorists are motivated by faith.

Terrorists? Terrorists?...

I see no terrorists...

ppman

 

[Blindinthedark]

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Then all those surrendering soldiers are . . . ?
In case you haven't heard that may be a strategy of attack. Besides did the attacks on the US make you want retribution more or less?

I'm more sure that without acting, the suffering will be greater.Tell that to the Israelis. They've been fighting enemy for decades without succss. Israeli attacks only lead to more suicide bombings.

Tell that to Germany and Japan.From what I understand the Nazis sentiment hasn't died. Their running for political office agian. And the US track record of Nation building of late has been less than successful. Korea, Veitman, Loas, Cambodia, Somalia, Cuba.

TB4p [/B]

 

[Blindinthedark]

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Hmm. Checked out how the Third Reich is faring lately?

Maybe the Tojo Govt. in Japan?

The Hapsburgs still in control of Austria?

How about the Emperor Napoleon?

Maybe we should discuss the current colonial status of the American Colonies.

History proves you wrong. Decisive violence results in decisive change. Half measures do not.

Read what I wrote to TB4p

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

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Read what I wrote to TB4p

And I refer you to my final line about half measures.

Korea, Veitman, Loas, Cambodia, Somalia, Cuba.

Korea. Police action under UN sanction. South Korea is still around as far as I can tell.

Veitman. (Your spelling, not mine) Half measure.

Loas (your spelling again) Half measure.

Cambodia. Half measure.

Somalia. Half measure.

Cuba. As far as I know, we never invaded them.

You have no credibility.

 

[Blindinthedark]

Decisive measures don't necessarily need to be violent. Political change can be implemented through peaceful means.

Your wars have failed because you fail to understand your enemy not because they have been half measures. The cycle of violence can’t be ended by more violence. It’s like saying an oil fire can be put out my more oil.

 

[busybody..]

A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip “had shocked me back to reality.” Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera “told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn’t start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam’s bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.”

 

[Rooster]

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Bollocks! You had plenty of alternative choices. The Franco/German plan for one. Bush just chose not to follow it...

ppman

French .. hehehehe

Yeah ...

 

[Rooster]

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Unless the US is willing to cause a genocide the likes of which haven't seen since WWII there will be no end.

If they surrender .. they won't risk death

 

[SuprSalor]

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And I refer you to my final line about half measures.................


Cuba. As far as I know, we never invaded them.

You have no credibility.

Bay of Pigs

But I agree with you: half measures