Iran's Next: You Heard It Here First

dr_mabeuse

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Seymour Hersh, the award-winning investigative reporter, has an article in the new New Yorker saying that the adminstration is going ahead with its original plan to continue its "democratization" of the middle east by invading Iran next.

I've said a few times here that the Neocons' original plan, which was developed shortly after we went into Afghanistan, was for a series of "democratizing" leapfrogging operations in the middle east: first Iraq, then Iran, then Syria, and then anyone else who wanted a taste.

I thought they would have revised their plan after the mess in Iraq, but apparently not. The threat of Iran's developing a nuke (they already have the means of delivery to hit most of Europe) gives added impetus to invasion talk. It's all in the article.

BTW: Hersh is good and usually quite reliable.

Here's an excerpt:
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George W. Bush’s reëlection was not his only victory last fall. The President and his national-security advisers have consolidated control over the military and intelligence communities’ strategic analyses and covert operations to a degree unmatched since the rise of the post-Second World War national-security state. Bush has an aggressive and ambitious agenda for using that control—against the mullahs in Iran and against targets in the ongoing war on terrorism—during his second term. The C.I.A. will continue to be downgraded, and the agency will increasingly serve, as one government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon put it, as “facilitators” of policy emanating from President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. This process is well under way.

Despite the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the Bush Administration has not reconsidered its basic long-range policy goal in the Middle East: the establishment of democracy throughout the region. Bush’s reëlection is regarded within the Administration as evidence of America’s support for his decision to go to war. It has reaffirmed the position of the neoconservatives in the Pentagon’s civilian leadership who advocated the invasion, including Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Douglas Feith, the Under-secretary for Policy. According to a former high-level intelligence official, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the election and told them, in essence, that the naysayers had been heard and the American people did not accept their message. Rumsfeld added that America was committed to staying in Iraq and that there would be no second-guessing.

“This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “Next, we’re going to have the Iranian campaign. We’ve declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah—we’ve got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism.”

Bush and Cheney may have set the policy, but it is Rumsfeld who has directed its implementation and has absorbed much of the public criticism when things went wrong—whether it was prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib or lack of sufficient armor plating for G.I.s’ vehicles in Iraq. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have called for Rumsfeld’s dismissal, and he is not widely admired inside the military. Nonetheless, his reappointment as Defense Secretary was never in doubt.

Rumsfeld will become even more important during the second term. In interviews with past and present intelligence and military officials, I was told that the agenda had been determined before the Presidential election, and much of it would be Rumsfeld’s responsibility. The war on terrorism would be expanded, and effectively placed under the Pentagon’s control. The President has signed a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other Special Forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as ten nations in the Middle East and South Asia.

The President’s decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off the books—free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) “The Pentagon doesn’t feel obligated to report any of this to Congress,” the former high-level intelligence official said. “They don’t even call it ‘covert ops’—it’s too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their view, it’s ‘black reconnaissance.’ They’re not even going to tell the cincs”—the regional American military commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did not respond to requests for comment on this story.)

In my interviews, I was repeatedly told that the next strategic target was Iran. “Everyone is saying, ‘You can’t be serious about targeting Iran. Look at Iraq,’” the former intelligence official told me. “But they say, ‘We’ve got some lessons learned—not militarily, but how we did it politically. We’re not going to rely on agency pissants.’ No loose ends, and that’s why the C.I.A. is out of there.”
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Here's the whole article:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/

---dr.M.
 
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Considering how much of U.S. military power is engaged in Iraq, I wonder where the neo-Marxists are going to get the manpower to pull this one off.
 
Sigh, too bad, they would have loved the eventual democracy they were headed towards. Oh well. They'll just have to follow Dr. Strangelove:

"How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb!"
 
rgraham666 said:
Considering how much of U.S. military power is engaged in Iraq, I wonder where the neo-Marxists are going to get the manpower to pull this one off.

I'm sure that they see Iraq settling down after the elections and then there we'll be: all this manpower and weaponry and nowhere to go, and Iran right next door.

The idea of an Iranian bomb is worrisome, and it's ironic that one of the reasons they're rushing ahead with their nuke is because they feel threatened by the US presence in Iraq-- and apparently with good reason.

---dr.M.
 
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rgraham666 said:
Considering how much of U.S. military power is engaged in Iraq, I wonder where the neo-Marxists are going to get the manpower to pull this one off.

Now that is a good question.

Cat
 
Sharpen your pencils, draft-age Americans. I know Bush doesn't like to say the "d" word, but how many countries can he invade and occupy at the same time without fresh troops?

Is Rumsfeld going to outsource military recruitment to Ecuador? Unleash a secret army of clones?
 
Here's a theory: Bush got Iran and Iraq confused. By the time it was explained to him that the ayatollahs with the bomb and Saddam were two different sets of evildoers, we couldn't admit there had been a mistake without looking stupid.
 
Don't be too surprised if they do outsource it, shereads.

A couple of years ago a local neo-Marxist wrote a column saying we should use Third World soldiers to do our fighting. Just arm them, they're expendable.

Of course, he didn't mention that Italy used mercenaries a lot during the Renaissance. Some cities got taken over by the mercenaries. And many mercenaries filled their time between contracts by banditry.

And of course the Roman Empire started using barbarian troops towards its end.

There are two problems with mercenaries.

One is that they discover they're not being paid enough to risk their lives.

The other is one day they think "Our employers are rich, have no weapons and aren't willing to fight. We are poor, have weapons, and are willing to fight. Hmmm."
 
He's afraid of them, though.

Afghanistan and Iraq had already been bombed to powder for a number of years. The same can't be said about North Korea.
 
Iran already has democratic elections. Maybe more democratic than ours, since they elected a moderate. ;)
 
No, I heard it on CNN.com first. Right before I heard 4 reporters were fired for making the story up.
 
We can't afford Iran. We don't have enough monopoly money. Sorry, just seems like a big game to POTUS.
 
Tanuki said:
Iran already has democratic elections. Maybe more democratic than ours, since they elected a moderate. ;)

So did Haiti. He didn't work out, so the U.S. has asked for a do-over.
 
rgraham666 said:
Don't be too surprised if they do outsource it, shereads.

A couple of years ago a local neo-Marxist wrote a column saying we should use Third World soldiers to do our fighting. Just arm them, they're expendable.

Of course, he didn't mention that Italy used mercenaries a lot during the Renaissance. Some cities got taken over by the mercenaries. And many mercenaries filled their time between contracts by banditry.

And of course the Roman Empire started using barbarian troops towards its end.

There are two problems with mercenaries.

One is that they discover they're not being paid enough to risk their lives.

The other is one day they think "Our employers are rich, have no weapons and aren't willing to fight. We are poor, have weapons, and are willing to fight. Hmmm."

Now RG, you have to remember two things here. The first is that with Mercs. as with anything else you get what you pay for. If you pay top dollar you get the Dorsai or Hammers Slammers. If you pay less yopu get someone like SpongeBob and the tatertot Corps.

Also we have a moral obligation here. We have to somehow employ all of those Colombian Narco-Soldiers we're putting out of bussiness with our war on Drugs. So lets just have them fight for us instead of against us.
:D :cool: :p

Cat
 
Well Seacat, the Dorsai were considerably more than just mercs. They had a strong code of honour that kept them from turning on their employers. Considering modern mercs would also be modern business men, I doubt honour would be high on their list of priorities.

And the Slammers, as I recall, did turn on their employers at the end, when they took over Friesland.

Good stories though. I just finished re-reading Hangman last week, which is probably my favourite Slammers story.
 
rgraham666 said:
Well Seacat, the Dorsai were considerably more than just mercs. They had a strong code of honour that kept them from turning on their employers. Considering modern mercs would also be modern business men, I doubt honour would be high on their list of priorities.

And the Slammers, as I recall, did turn on their employers at the end, when they took over Friesland.

Good stories though. I just finished re-reading Hangman last week, which is probably my favourite Slammers story.

I also liked these stories, as you can tell. I think my favorite from the Slammers was the Sharp End, although Hangman did have some great points.

As for being bussinessmen and therefore not haveing a code of honor, well, that's true if they don't want to get hired again. (Which could be their point huh?)

For a good read you should try a book I read a long time ago. (I can't remeber the author off the top of my head and the book is in storage at the moment.) The book was called "The Probability Broach". It was different.

Cat
 
Arming a bunch of foreign nationals and supporting them! We did that in Afghanistan. Those mujahideen with the shoulder-fired launchers really kicked Russian butt, and we never had a bit of trouble out of them, did we?
 
cantdog said:
Arming a bunch of foreign nationals and supporting them! We did that in Afghanistan. Those mujahideen with the shoulder-fired launchers really kicked Russian butt, and we never had a bit of trouble out of them, did we?

Nope, not a bit of it. They're a bunch of peacefull Agrarian Citizens now, or hadn't you heard? (Ignore that nutball Bin Laden and his guys, they're just a bunch of fun loving jerks who don't know when to call it quits is all. They'll fall into line soon enough.)

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Nope, not a bit of it. They're a bunch of peacefull Agrarian Citizens now, or hadn't you heard? (Ignore that nutball Bin Laden and his guys, they're just a bunch of fun loving jerks who don't know when to call it quits is all. They'll fall into line soon enough.)

Cat

Quits? Ha! If Osama Bin Laden isn't the most self-satisfied man on the planet, it's not George W. Bush's fault.

I wonder sometimes what Bush et al thought 9/11 was intended to accomplish: Scare us? Make us feel bad? Bully us into an apology? Did they think Bin Laden was stupid enough to stage an attack of that scale against the world's remaining military superpower, without expecting us to come out with fists flailing and bombs flying? And where might he think we'd strike? Saudi Arabia? Not bloody likely. Not if the hijackers had tossed leaflets from the planes saying "We're from Saudi Arabia." So where? Hmm...What Arab nation might, in the words of Donald Rumsfeld, as quoted in Richard Clarke's book, "have better targets" than Osama's host country, Afghanistan?

How about Iraq? Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, all founding members of the Project for the New American Century...Yes, Iraq would be likely.

What possible f**king agenda did this circle of brickbrains attribute to Osama on 9/11, if not for the one Bush chose to fulfill for him?

Get the anti-Islamic Saddam out of the way; turn Iraq into the next Iranian-style theocracy - but only after a few years of bloody turmoil to which the U.S. would continue to respond predictably, by establishing a more-or-less permanent military presence in yet another part of the oil fields...Presto. We've transformed Osama Bin Laden from a fringe-group extremist into a prophet. We've proven to once-moderate citizens of Middle Eastern countries that the U.S. is the enemy Bin Laden said we were.

Nuke up, Iran. Watch your backs, pro-U.S. government of Pakistan. Sign up for camp, every Muslim male who feels insulted. Stand aside, Iraqi families who liked life better when the mortality rate was lower. Iraq is no-man's-land for the foreseeable future. If GWB had said "Oops, no WMD" and moon-walked outa there instead of dreaming up The Gift of Democracy as the real reason we bombed the crap out of Iraq and opened their borders to every Tom, Dick and Ahmad with an AK-47 and an axe to grind, he might have left himself a face-saving way out, if not an honorable one. But having announced that he's being led by God to bring Haitian-style free elections to the survivors in Iraq, there's nothing much to do except parade our people around over there like sitting ducks for the next kazillion years while we figure out WTF nobody likes us anymore.

Osama, quit? Why now, when things are going so beautifully?
 
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Lucifer_Carroll said:
Sigh, too bad, they would have loved the eventual democracy they were headed towards. Oh well. They'll just have to follow Dr. Strangelove:

"How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb!"


who was headed toward Democracy?
 
Beco said:
who was headed toward Democracy?

Haiti. It was going pretty well, until their democratically elected leader demonstrated less-than-pristine ethics and had to be removed by the Bush administration, in what may have seemed like the behavior of a colonial power but wasn't. Not really.

Haiti will get Democracy right, eventually. It just takes practice. Once they elect somebody we can all be proud of, they'll be a beacon of liberty to other third-world countries.
 
shereads said:
Haiti. It was going pretty well, until their democratically elected leader demonstrated less-than-pristine ethics and had to be removed by the Bush administration, in what may have seemed like the behavior of a colonial power but wasn't. Not really.

Haiti will get Democracy right, eventually. It just takes practice. Once they elect somebody we can all be proud of, they'll be a beacon of liberty to other third-world countries.

Damn it,
I'm going to get me one of those covers for my keyboard, as well as one for my chair. (Sorry had to visit the litterbox.) If you're planning on waiting for them to elect a leader in Haiti we would approve of, well, just don't hold your breath.

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Damn it,
I'm going to get me one of those covers for my keyboard, as well as one for my chair. (Sorry had to visit the litterbox.) If you're planning on waiting for them to elect a leader in Haiti we would approve of, well, just don't hold your breath.

Cat

I'm not willing to wait. I think we should impose a leader until the voters get with the program. Like we do here in Florida.

Love the AV, by the way. I thought cats didn't like to get wet?
 
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