Intropection,power,control

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Introspection,power,control

 

[damppanties]

What i ask is this(think about it for a moment or month):
do you write to have an arena of power and control?
do you care WHY you write?
do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

rhino-growth

1. I don't think so.
2. I care.
3. I already over analyzed. Did not ruin.

 

[DirtyJJ]

What i ask is this(think about it for a moment or month):
do you write to have an arena of power and control?
do you care WHY you write?
do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

rhino-growth

Interesting questions, rhino... I would say my answers are this:

1. do you write to have an arena of power and control?
I don't think so... in fact I think it is just the opposite. When I write I feel "free" and flowing and in many cases I don't try and over control what I write, I let it just flow out. However, sometimes I write to express feelings and experience things that I cannot really experience in real life, so in that sense I guess I do feel some power over being able to create an experience for myself through my writing.

2. do you care WHY you write?
Yes, very much so... I think writing is a fascinating sense of human expression and is unique to all of us. Whether it's good or bad, it is valid because it comes from within. When I am inspired to write I feel like I am honoring my creative spirit.

3. do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?
I try not to over analyze it too much... I just know when I am moved to write something that it is something I should honor and do to enable my creative expression.

Thanks for a thought provoking thread on a Saturday morning...

 

[Alex De Kok]

What i ask is this (think about it for a moment or month):
do you write to have an arena of power and control?
do you care WHY you write?
do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

rhino-growth

I started writing because I'd read some published rubbish and thought I might be able to do better. At first only for myself, then I found Lit and started submitting stories. I like the feeling of creating a world and peopling it with my own creations, but I'm not conscious of dong it for that reason.

I write because I want to write, and I want to write something that pleases me. I've been close a few times . . .

I've never tried to analyse why I write and I don't particularly care to start. I write. I enjoy writing. QED.

Alex

 

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[MathGirl]

Originally posted by rhinoguy ok...gonna throw something out there I think about.

Dear Nosey,
I'm sorry, but I can't think further than wondering what "intropection" is. Sounds like some sort of rectal disorder.
MG

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I went to a poetry class once, where the teacher ripped a poem into pieces, tore every line apart, to analyze and analyze and analyze every letter of it.
Destroyed the beauty of it completely.

I've never discussed any form of art ever since. Why ruin something nice, when you can just enjoy it?

 

[raphy]

What i ask is this(think about it for a moment or month):
do you write to have an arena of power and control?
do you care WHY you write?
do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

rhino-growth

Dunno, rhino .. Never really thought about any of this stuff much..

I think it's probably easier to not take your questions in order, though.

Do I care why I write? I don't think so. I create, be it music, art or writing - *why* I do that is unimportant to me. I don't write to have control over things, over my characters, over the plot. I can't validly claim that, because nine times out of ten, I'm just as surprised as the characters are with the plot twists.

I'm a very analytical person anyway, so overanalyzing is not a problem for me. I can still write, in the end.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

"Maybe the story ISN'T a meataphor for man's longing to be re-united with God. Maybe it really just IS an old man and his fucking dog?"


*Junior High School flashbacks*

 

[gauchecritic]

It's quite amazing to me how, lately, I've been able to put an answer to several thread questions from one book. Here's another.

Story telling is an integral part of modern (and not so modern culture) it is the main reason why man has advanced so much more than any other animal. It all boils down to prediction.

If we can forecast what will happen when we step onto the road by extrapolating a host of conditions like: the weather, light, how fast that car is approaching, how fast we can actually move should anything go awry etc, etc then we can cross the road safely.

If all we do is step out and wait to react should anything untoward occur then our chances of reaching the other side lessen considerably.

Being able to tell ourselves that 'future story' means we can survive and teach our children similar stories.

In this way, even if we have no specific control, we at least present ourselves with alternatives and useful paths of high probability.

Now that we have reached a decadent state, we can utilise that ablity to entertain ourselves (and others) by telling not entirely useful stories, entertainments.

Every single person in the world can 'tell stories', some of us can tell stories to others, for no other purpose than to tell them.

I'm not sure that this answers any of the questions though Rhino.

The Science of Discworld II "The Globe" by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen

 

[Quasimodem]

One of the original reasons for storytelling was to reassure oneself that there was understandable order in the world. Not just understandable order, but THEIR understandable order.

You follow the elders command and put lamb's blood over your lintel and the Angel of Death will pass over your house. You forget your God and build a Golden Calf, and God will doom you to wander in the wilderness for forty years.

Sure, it enforces order, through the imposition of religious commands, but for those who accept the commands it is so very COMFORTING.

We are still trying to impose this role of cultural comforter upon storytellers, through censorship.

Not too long ago, if a woman had an extra marital affair, in a popular movie, she had to die before the end of the final reel. No murderer ever ‘got away with it.' People who smoked dope, became maniacal killers and wound up in an insane asylum that would make Bedlam appear progressive.

Now, we can't be trusted with even a hint that perhaps a popular president may have been rather unsympathetic to the gays his supporters are still bashing, or that his wife was a superstitious witch.

Whether it is true, or false, we cannot be trusted to make up our own minds.

It would disturb too many viewers comfortable world view.

 

[Dirty Slut]

I write erotica because...

Well, for one thing, I'll probably never get a chance to do all of the filthy things that I've written, or will write about. My real father died in combat shortly after I was born. So having a real affair with him is out of the question, and very safe to write about. I had a black boyfriend in junior high, but he moved away before we could actually do anything, but I've always wondered what would have happened if his family hadn't moved to the other side of the country. And so I write about interracial affairs too. In college my room mate was bisexual, and had the hots for me like you wouldn't believe, but she respected my space, and we became good friends, but I sometimes wonder about what could have been. My step sister is almost four years younger than me, and quickly gathering a reputation as an adventurous lass about town, and I often envy her freemindedness, as well as her untethered lifestyle. Even though I am quite content with my present situation, and the lover that goes with it, we both often fantisize about what if instead of smoking a cigarette afterwards. And so I write...

DS

 

[pop_54]

( i am not very interested in the pyscho babble....or even Fruedianisms...just what you FEEL)

What i ask is this(think about it for a moment or month):

1 do you write to have an arena of power and control?

2 do you care WHY you write?

3 do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

rhino-growth

Hello mate, well what to say:

No: 1
Not so much power and control, more amazement, I'd been writing for self abu......... Sorry I mean self amusement for a long while. When I decided spurred by a close friend, ahem! to post a story somewhere, unfortunately for the rest of you I chose Lit.
As the reader/view count went through 20,000, then 30,000 and on upward, I suddenly thought, 'shit I'm famous'. So I wrote another one, and another, and so forth. More silly ego than power mate.

No: 2
No I don't really care why I do it, I just enjoy it and do it.

No: 3
See answer No:2

I collect weird things as well Rhino, old tools and bric-a-brac stuff, Victorian and on, earlier if I can get my hands on it, hand drills, chisels, augers, measuring devices, old locks and door furniture, early electrical gear and small appliances, anything like that. Loads all cleaned up sprayed matt black and mounted on the walls of the workshop like a museum
Wife said it looked like a bloody toture chamber out there, I ignored her silly comment and just left her hanging there for another half hour

 

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Wife said it looked like a bloody toture chamber out there, I ignored her silly comment and just left her hanging there for another half hour

Aw, Pops love, you always make me larf.

Grinning big, Perdita

 

[Sabledrake]

What i ask is this(think about it for a moment or month):
do you write to have an arena of power and control?
do you care WHY you write?
do you NOT want to over analyze it and ruin it?

I'm very much a control freak. That's why I'm almost always the GM when our circle of friends gets together to game. That's not precisely why I write, but it is what makes me a horrible, horrible collaborator. I've been approached several times by other writers who'd like to co-write with me, and I always have to turn them down because I wouldn't want to ruin a fine friendship with my constant, bitchy demands to have everything my way

Yes, I care why I write. I write because I love it, because I would feel dead inside if I didn't. Because it keeps me more-or-less sane on those 10-hour overnight shifts.

I sometimes over-analyze the writing itself, or why I've felt compelled to tackle a particular story or topic. But not why I am a writer. It's just part of who I am, a major part.

Sabledrake

 

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workshop

 

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[pop_54]

Re: workshop

Was that drying time, after spraying black and before handling?

rhino-dry to the touch

No it was quick drying mate, I didn't handle her as part of the punishment

 

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[Icingsugar]

"Maybe the story ISN'T a meataphor for man's longing to be re-united with God. Maybe it really just IS an old man and his fucking dog?"

*Junior High School flashbacks*

That reminded me of a little piece of relatively unknown Swedish literature history, a poem anthology called Camera Obscura that was released in the late 60's by a poet that noone had ever heard the name of before. Anyway, the poems were hailed to the syies for their abstract nature, and were analysed to bits by every critic and scholar in the country. They found politic messages, social commentary, homoerotic themes, religious controversy, you name it,

...until the "author", a group of tech students at Stockholm University came forth anfd revealed that they had written the damn thing one night as a joke, on napkins and toilet paper, drunk as skunks. And it didn't mean shit.

 

[Quasimodem]

...on occasion i CAN get a more profound meaning than just the surface enjoyment, when i DO note the details...

I like analysis! That may be why I despise "digital" criticism.

You know, "Two thumbs up!" or "Two thumbs down" . . . and a split decision only tells me what I already know: different people react differently.

The kind of criticism I most enjoy is careful, reasoned, close reading, [or viewing if we stay with cinema criticism.]

Not only can that assist me in appreciating more nuances of the work, but can also teach me what to watch for in the next item I encounter.

In our little bailiwick that is why we are less enthralled with the: "Great! I came three times!" sort of feedback, than with a few sentences which explain what, in our story, they found to appreciate. Or alternately, what they disliked.

 

[Quasimodem]

Dang Blasted! and . . .

 

[Quasimodem]

PHOOEY!